TriggerGod Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Whoa hang on, when did I insult someone? I think Lynk was talking about R9. Now, I haven't played the full MGS3, MGS2, MGS4, or MGS (I have MGS, but my PSX broke down so I couldn't finish it, and I played all of the others at friend's houses, but never had a chance to finish them), but out of them all, from what I played, I'd say the first one. Now, remember, I never really finished any of them, so I might've missed some kind of big plot twist later in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 I think Lynk was talking about R9. Ah, now I see, my mistake Lynk. Now, I haven't played the full MGS3, MGS2, MGS4, or MGS (I have MGS, but my PSX broke down so I couldn't finish it, and I played all of the others at friend's houses, but never had a chance to finish them), but out of them all, from what I played, I'd say the first one. Now, remember, I never really finished any of them, so I might've missed some kind of big plot twist later in the game. My bet is you did, all of 'em are loaded full of plot twists and revelations. At least I found someone to agree with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 No I mean a REAL FIGHT against Metal Gear, I may not have played the first one, but I have watched someone else play it as a kid, and I'm pretty sure that you don't have a real fight with it in Metal Gear 2 (Correct me if I'm wrong) You're right, in some versions of Metal Gear you don't actually fight a Metal Gear at the end, but those aren't canon and Kojima wasn't involved in the making of those. The NES version of Metal Gear and the unofficial Snake's Revenge both have you fighting against a computer or something like that. The MSX version (the original) and MG2: Solid Snake have you fighting Metal Gears. In Metal Gear, Snake fights Metal Gear TX-55 and in Metal Gear 2 he fights Metal Gear D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 You're right, in some versions of Metal Gear you don't actually fight a Metal Gear at the end, but those aren't canon and Kojima wasn't involved in the making of those. The NES version of Metal Gear and the unofficial Snake's Revenge both have you fighting against a computer or something like that. The MSX version (the original) and MG2: Solid Snake have you fighting Metal Gears. In Metal Gear, Snake fights Metal Gear TX-55 and in Metal Gear 2 he fights Metal Gear D. I'm pretty sure in the first Metal Gear all you have to do is plant mines around his legs. Oh, and did they have a Cyborg Ninja? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yeah, you do, but it's still a real fight against a Metal Gear... just cause it has its oldskool limitations doesn't make it any less valid. Also, the first two Metal Gears had Gray Fox, who you know becomes the Cyborg Ninja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yeah, you do, but it's still a real fight against a Metal Gear... just cause it has its oldskool limitations doesn't make it any less valid. I wouldn't call planting bombs on a defenseless target a real fight You say that MGS followed the "trends" of the first Metal Gears, but did they honestly have all the human drama, and all the other stuff in MGS which has basically been recycled in sequels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I wouldn't call planting bombs on a defenseless target a real fight I guess machine guns and lasers don't count as offensive weapons anymore... EDIT: *snaps fingers* actually you're right. You don't actually fight an active Metal Gear until Metal Gear 2. In the first game it was incomplete. You say that MGS followed the "trends" of the first Metal Gears, but did they honestly have all the human drama, and all the other stuff in MGS which has basically been recycled in sequels? Yes. Like I said, the only problem was the limitations of the technology back in the day and the style of the time, but all of the human drama that came from MGS comes from its backstory... all of it which is from MG and MG2. Having to fight Gray Fox in that minefield when you and he used to be comrades and having to defeat Big Boss when he was your commanding officer is human drama enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 I guess machine guns and lasers don't count as offensive weapons anymore... EDIT: *snaps fingers* actually you're right. You don't actually fight an active Metal Gear until Metal Gear 2. In the first game it was incomplete. Haha, I knew it Yes. Like I said, the only problem was the limitations of the technology back in the day and the style of the time, but all of the human drama that came from MGS comes from its backstory... all of it which is from MG and MG2. Having to fight Gray Fox in that minefield when you and he used to be comrades and having to defeat Big Boss when he was your commanding officer is human drama enough. Fair enough, my memory from back then is pretty shoddy. Although I still doubt it had everything included in the MGS series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1183 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 i have a quick question can anyone tell me what the difference is between MGS 3: Snake Eater and i think its called MGS 3: Substance ,ya i think thats right but ya whats the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 i have a quick question can anyone tell me what the difference is between MGS 3: Snake Eater and i think its called MGS 3: Substance ,ya i think thats right but ya whats the difference? The main difference is that the original MGS3 had a top-down camera similar to MGS, while Subsistence has a over-the-shoulder type camera, more like your traditional 3rd-person shooters. The original MGS3: Subsistence also had playable versions of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, I believe. However the "new" version of MGS3: Subsistence i.e. the one packed in with the MGS: Essentials pack, does not come with these two games playable. There are probably more differences, but I'm too lazy to look them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1183 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 o ok thanks ok now which version of MGS 3 are you (Lynk) talking about substance or snake eater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Does that really matter? story wise they are exactly the same, if you're looking to get it to play or something, I'd say you should get Subsistence, the new camera will make it easier for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1183 Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 o so they are exactly the same sept substance has a over-the-shoulder view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 @ Rabish: MG2 is still long before MGS1 @ RC: Yeah, there aren't any real changes that were made in terms of gameplay and story. The over the shoulder view in MGS3 Subsistence was actually a test run for the system used in MGS4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 @ Rabish: MG2 is still long before MGS1 Yes, but more things from MGS were recycled in the later games than MGS recycling things from the MG series, if that makes senese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Yeah, like I said, each new game added its own things. But the recycling started from the first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabish Bini Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Yeah, as I said, they recycling was kicked into overdrive with MGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Whatever. Click the link in my sig and join my forum and we'll go at this man to penguin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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