TKA-001 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Exactly. The Ravager is bigger, more powerful, and better armed/manned. It will win unless it has a ridiculous random weakness - such as, for example, Darth Nihilus not being present. That's a loss of a commander, a severe loss of durability, and many other things that the Leviathan could easily take advantage of to win. But what if the Leviathan has only one crewmember aboard, while the other vessel has a standard-sized crew? If that was the case, then the Ravager would certainly win. Therefore, the Ravager is the more capable vessel of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2-X2 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I think the Leviathan, too. It's not flying, star-destroyer formed junk *-*, and it has the better crew. Remember: We're speaking about Leviathan and Ravager, and not about an Interdictor-Class and an Centurion-Class Ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcesious Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Leviathon wins. Rapidfire turbolasers on it's port and broadsides, tons of fightercraft in carriage, high tech alien technology... The Ravager is a scrapheap. Knock out Ravager's shields and every living thing inside is dead. It's got too many hull breaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtas Vadum Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Leviathon wins. Rapidfire turbolasers on it's port and broadsides, tons of fightercraft in carriage, high tech alien technology... The Ravager is a scrapheap. Knock out Ravager's shields and every living thing inside is dead. It's got too many hull breaches. Actually, even though many of the Interdictor-class cruisers in the Sith fleet were made by the Star Forge, it is likely that the Leviathan wasn't. And i would think that the Interdictor class ships made by the Star Forge are made just like those that where made before Revan and Malak took control of the Star Forge. And considering the two on opposite sides of a battle, it would seriously all come down to the ships captains, commanders, and crew. Not to mention the time period, and thus stating the damage the Ravager has, or doesn't have. Though this does beg the question of what happened to the Leviathan after Revan defeated Malak, on either side. Revan likely couldn't deal with it if lightside. If darkside, would he/she have sent the ship to its death, because it was connected to his/her betrayal, and thus his/her fall from power?(Read that however you like) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibelin Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 The Leviathan i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Thrawn Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 If the Ravager was not a capable battleship then why did it lead the assault on Telos and if it was vulnerable to enemy fire then why did it almost rip apart Citadel Station without being blown to bits by the turbolasers? Also Nihilus only prevented it from taking damage, as proven by the fact that bombs, not his death, led to the demise of the Ravager. Any ship with bombs inside it, messed up or not, is gonna be blown to bits. Even without Nihilus onboard im pretty sure it would be able to fly, albeit barely. Also, you must take into account the factors of fear. If you saw a "ghost" ship, that should not even be able to lift off the ground, coming directly at you, would you try fighting it? The crew of the Leviathan were Human, Sith yes, but still Human. The bridge-crew of the Ravager were zombies, they would not be suspectible to such petty dillusions and thoughts. They would do the task as commanded by their slave-master, Nihilus. Im pretty sure Admiral Karath would not be so wittless as to lead his troops against such a vessel as the Ravager. More importantly, against Nihilus. He was capable of draining Katarr of all life, save Visas whom he spared for unknown reasons. Geez, I mean the main weapon of the dark side was terror, the main weakness of the light fear. The mere presence of a vessel such as the Ravager would cause all who laid eyes upon it to flee over the horizon. You seem to forget that guns and bombs do not always win wars, its the fear caused by them. Armor, engines, quality of soldiers and other factors are nothing compared to the Human physche. Sheesh, if you wanted to do a comparison you have to take into account all the factors, not just weapon-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Not the best condition, but still looks like it would hold together long enough for its turbolasers to obliterate the Leviathan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibelin Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Not the best condition, but still looks like it would hold together long enough for its turbolasers to obliterate the Leviathan. Very creative comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 blew up Taris and Dantooine Taris was destroyed by a fleet of ships that blockaded all of Taris. (Probably a reference to Han Solo's comment to Obi Wan in A New Hope). The Leviathan only ordered and participated in it's destruction. The Leviathan is not a mobile Death Star and without the rest of the blockade it would be unable to even put a small impact on the planet. Plus The Leviathan did not destroy the jedi academy on Dantooine (Dantooine was still intact. Only the jedi academy was destroyed as shown in The Sith Lords).The Leviathan could have only destroyed the academy if they did it while the Ebon Hawk was in it's tractor beam (very highly unlikely). Most likely the Dantooine jedi academy was destroyed by another one of the thousands of ships Malak had at his disposal from the Star Forge Unfortunately I am going to say Ravager. But without Nihilus the Ravager would not stand a match against the Leviathan. However with Nihilus the Ravager is an unstoppable killing machine. Only stoppable if the Exile is able to kill his/her's counterpart Nihilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattig89ch Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 wasnt the raveger the mando flag ship in that battle? in any case, it'd be a tough battle. since we see how many laser batteries the levithan has, but not how many the raveger has...i'm still going with raveger though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ravager because its TWICE THE SIZE meaning TWICE THE FIREPOWER and it was a star wars version of the black pearl, crewed by the damned captained by a man who couldnt be killed( only reason exile killed him is cuz she was empty of the force.) not to mention the leviathan was tiny and couldnt do much on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ravager because its TWICE THE SIZE meaning TWICE THE FIREPOWER and it was a star wars version of the black pearl, crewed by the damned captained by a man who couldnt be killed( only reason exile killed him is cuz she was empty of the force.) not to mention the leviathan was tiny and couldnt do much on its own. If you are comparing this with Pirates of the Carribean speak then Ravager: Black Pearl only 3 people on it Leviathan: Lifeboat with 5 people on it. One with a pistol It's obvious who would win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 If you are comparing this with Pirates of the Carribean speak then Ravager: Black Pearl only 3 people on it Leviathan: Lifeboat with 5 people on it. One with a pistol It's obvious who would win where did those numbers come from? im talkin about the fact that nihilus cant be killed. except by the exile so if its leviathan vs ravager then ravager wins because the exile isnt part of the leviathans crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadYorick Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 where did those numbers come from? im talkin about the fact that nihilus cant be killed. except by the exile so if its leviathan vs ravager then ravager wins because the exile isnt part of the leviathans crew I am estimating based on size, crew and firepower The Ravager was destroyed because the Exile killed Nihilus. What if we talk about the Ravager without Nihilus and the Leviathan without Saul Karath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I am estimating based on size, crew and firepower The Ravager was destroyed because the Exile killed Nihilus. What if we talk about the Ravager without Nihilus and the Leviathan without Saul Karath then there would be no ravager and the leviathan would have no crew since revan killed saul and the crew and malak left it once he left for the star forge sooooo yea it would be an unmanned ship against nothing. and the whole idea would be irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral_Thrawn Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Druganator . . . your making no sense at all mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druganator Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Druganator . . . your making no sense at all mate. what I'm talkin about is if nihilis was killed at the time of the "fight" then there would be no crew on either ship. because of when revan killed everyone aboard the leviathan. so the fight would not even be plausible. but if it was the ravager before it was destroyed at malachor and the leviathan before revan was taken aboard then ravaged wins by a landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rictus135 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 There is too much contradictory information on the Leviathan. I haven't read any of the supplemental stories to the games, but I believe the Leviathan was supposed to be a Ravager styled ship, it was just never shown as such. Here are some reasons: 1) It was supposedly Admiral Karaths ship throughout the Mandalorian wars, in the Cutscenes it was shown to be a StarForge produced vessel, which wouldn't have been possible since Revan found the Starforge after the end of the Mandalorian Wars. 2) It was supposed to be one of the largest and most powerful vessels in the Sith fleet, yet appears identical to all other StarForge ships. 3) There are what appears to be the remains of another vessel of the same class as the Ravager in orbit around Malachor V, which shows the Ravager was not a unique vessel. 4) It is common practice for Admirals to captain the largest, most powerful ships in the fleet. So it is reasonable that Admirals captained Ravager class vessels opposed to the Republics other ships, which appear to be frigates. 5) It was stated by Carth that some of the ships in Malaks fleet were former Republic ships, but many were of an alien design ie StarForge vessels. You only ever see Sith controlling Star Forge ships - likely to keep cutscenes simple and unconfusing. But it raises the question; What is cannon? The in-game dialogue or a cutscenes image? In short, I think they might very well be the same class of ship and therefore be equal in battle. At the very least it is far from certain that the Leviathan was a StarForge vessel, despite its appearance in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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