[wip] KotOR III The End of an Era Mod for TSL (any one interested in any position)

[Druganator]

yea I read your pm and remember I'm trying to make this as close to canon as possible ATM with what we currently know about TOR and k1 and TSL. so just to let people know it's not supposed to be a mod about whatever we want it to be about. it's supposed to be a plausible median to TSL and TOR.

[Lord of Hunger]

The reason i still think Bastila would be progressive is because she saw that the jedi, unwilling to fight were weakened for the conflict to come, revan and malak nearly conquered the galaxy, revan defeated bastila and as he was about to turn her was fired upon by malak. malak then destroys almost all the remaining jedi and then by the end of the war only a few jedi remained. had the jedi gone to aid the republic in the beginning they would have been able to guide the headstrong jedi not to give into hatred and such. she would be for the jedi actually fighting and protecting the galaxy. not sitting back doing nothing as the jedi formerly preached.

I suppose that's one way to look at it. In fact, the ghost of Alek in Ludo Kreesh's Tomb said that Bastila was close to joining the Revanchist faction. Still, I think it would be best to have Bastila on the Traditionalist Faction, only to not have too many of the Party Members of KOTOR and TSL on the Progressive side.

 

Btw, what are we doing with Visas? 'Cause I love Visas and she should be included. *puppy eyes* Please?

i think mical would definitely be part of the progressives as he has an obvious illwill towards the old ways.

I would say more like enlightenment.

regarding andeddu, i'll pm you the details of the big baddy i have in store.

I saw, good work.

i dont think im going to have anyone killing zayne. if anything zayne will flee to help the jedi should you decide to become evil.

That's a good idea, maybe have him as a second boss towards the end. The whole kill your master to initiate your joining the Sith thing.

furthermore. the malevolence will play a role but it wont be what is expected.

Cool.

I disagree on this since Darth Andeddu's clothing matches the time of the ancient Sith empire, back when Naga Sadow was around.

Uh, remember that the Trayus Academy was built by the Ancient Sith? It existed before Darth Traya. In fact, I speculate that most of the Ancient Sith trained on Malachor V, including Andeddu.

I agree that Zayne should not die, he could be the voice that narrates the ending....what become of the Jedi and the PC.

 

As for the lost Jedi, which faction would they belong too, we should first define the basic 3 beliefs that separate the 2 factions of Jedi.

 

Focus on new characters to represent these two parties, then after that can you see where Bastila, Brianna, Mical, all fit in to the frame....you have to write a rough pre-plot of how everything lead to this which will help you ground characters and events. This will also allow you to reveal history about characters as to where they were after the events of kotor2.

Good point, here's what their respective views should be IMO:

 

1. Emotion

Traditionalist-Control all emotion, do not pursue relationships.

Progressive-Allow relationships, ease up on benevolent emotions.

 

2. Fighting Wars

Traditionalist-Do not get entangle with galactic conflicts.

Progressive-Revan was right, fight to protect the Republic no matter what.

 

3. Killing Sith

Traditionalist-Spare Sith when possible, attempt to turn them back to Sith.

Progressive-If they have the conviction to become a Sith, they aren't going to be turned any time soon. End their misery.

With Zayne, have him survive but through just foolish luck since that's how they portray him in the comics. I so so Jedi with a good heart but always getting into a rock and a hard place yet he survives it all.

I do like him, though I only read the info on him on Wookiepedia.

 

@ Yatsuke:

 

I know that you're tired of waiting for someone to start help you with the mod, but please try to be a little more patient mate. Your mod will be done.

[Canderis]

There have been more posts than I could follow in this thread, so I have 2 questions, one: is this "officially" in production? And 2: Do you guys have any module builders and skinners as I would like to help.

[Yatsookey]

good point i thought about it a bit more and it really doesnt fit much...... well that was one of my write and toss ideas, o well ill still help anyway i can

[Lord of Hunger]

Btw, I had a thought. One of TSL's problems is that its unbalanced in favor of Consulars (minus mods, in fact some mods help with this but don't eliminate the problem). Further more, there has been lately the problem in the Star Wars universe of the main hero of a story being too powerful in the Force. Personally I think it'd be cool to have the PC be a mediocre Force user, but still capable, good lightsaber user and such. It'd also be cool for there to be a way of making a Consular character be overpowered: Sith magic. It'd make the Dark Side more tempting for players who prefer the Light.

[Sharen Thrawn]

There have been more posts than I could follow in this thread, so I have 2 questions, one: is this "officially" in production? And 2: Do you guys have any module builders and skinners as I would like to help.

IMHO, with a project like this, there shouldn't be ANY modules/area building/editing till the core storyline (at least) is settled and ready.

[logan23]

Hey,

 

Uh, remember that the Trayus Academy was built by the Ancient Sith? It existed before Darth Traya. In fact, I speculate that most of the Ancient Sith trained on Malachor V, including Andeddu.

 

I'm sorry, I was saying that Darth Andeddu was not alive studying at Malachor V during the time of kotor1 and kotor2. I agree that since Malachor V was part of the ancient Sith Empire that indeed he would have studied there.

 

1. Emotion

Traditionalist-Control all emotion, do not pursue relationships.

Progressive-Allow relationships, ease up on benevolent emotions.

 

2. Fighting Wars

Traditionalist-Do not get entangle with galactic conflicts.

Progressive-Revan was right, fight to protect the Republic no matter what.

 

3. Killing Sith

Traditionalist-Spare Sith when possible, attempt to turn them back to Sith.

Progressive-If they have the conviction to become a Sith, they aren't going to be turned any time soon. End their misery.

 

I like the setup you have there. Those are the 3 core areas which they would have issues.

 

im thinking of having the lost jedi and bastila sort of having their own council on telos. theyre all discussing what to do about the current situation with the jedi, some of the lost jedi agree with the progressives and others the traditionalists. lets just say some of them may not be staying on telos for very long.

 

This could be where you can see the conflicts with the two factions, and after they can then go to their home location as the Jedi community is split in philosophy.

 

Btw, what are we doing with Visas? 'Cause I love Visas and she should be included. *puppy eyes* Please?

 

I know the options are Visas is either dead (DS on Ravager) or (LS) Walking the planet Katarr, or (DS) she lets go of her vengeance and becomes stronger.

 

I would have Visas show up mid part in the story, as she can give you info on the Exile's teachings as well as the Sith who was her master. She could be returning from Katarr, where she was meditating and healing her inner self. This will also give you a chance to learn to see in the force from her like the Exile learned. I would cast her as the mystic in the story, she does not side with either faction due to her experience. The dark side Visas could just have a similar dialogue just her tone is more darker/ a harder outlook on things.

 

Another issue is with Bastila, if Revan was Dark side in kotor1 then she went out looking for him. The solution I came up with dealing with this issue was...you can use this idea if you want;

 

While looking for Revan she comes across one of her old Jedi master/teacher (he is hiding after the events on Katarr) back when she was at the academy. During the Journey out in the outer rim she is brought back to the light side by her old master. After the battle of Telos IV, they felt the disturbance in the force and that the darkness that was there felt as if it was defeated. Both of them return to find what is left of the Jedi order. I had her old teacher die shortly after her return but you can do what you want with the old teacher if you use this idea. This will allow you to have Bastila in the story even if kotor1 ended darkside or you can just not have her in the story if DS Revan.

 

Logan

[Darth Novotnus]

I'm sorry, I was saying that Darth Andeddu was not alive studying at Malachor V during the time of kotor1 and kotor2. I agree that since Malachor V was part of the ancient Sith Empire that indeed he would have studied there.

 

What really interests me is who trained all those Sith Maruders, Assassins and other Sith who you have to fight in Trayus Academy. It seems to me, that there was one more master who trained those darksiders when Kreia, Nihilus and Sion departed from Malachor V.

And I wonder what do you think about my idea of a Hutt Sith\darksider.

[Sir Vougalot]

Here is something you guys may or may not have considered: while you wish to ensure that this mod fits perfectly with Star Wars canon, the problem with using characters from a currently running comic series is that we do no yet know what will become of them. The direction the comics may take with these characters in the future may very well render your mod uncanonical in the future.

 

You safest options would be either to 1. wait a few more years to see the conclusion of the KOTOR comic series, or 2. create completely new characters.

[Lord of Hunger]

Actually, I do think that we need to consider something else. There are limited VOs for all the NPCs. Therefore, we may need to consider removing some characters such as Bastila due to this limitation unless we make her mute and give her a sign-language interpreter.

[Druganator]

ok bad news everyone. i had most of the story planned out and wouldnt you know it my computer crashed. so i spent all day today at my uncles. he upgraded my computer to windows vista business, i went from half a GB of ram to 4 GB i now have a new video card and a new monitor and free security. i lost everything i had saved as far as the story goes. i expect in a few days i should have it rewritten (replacing zayne with a new NPC and most likey finding out how long, if at all bastila should be in it) im very sorry but i guess all that porn really ****ed up my computer

[Canderis]

Actually, I do think that we need to consider something else. There are limited VOs for all the NPCs. Therefore, we may need to consider removing some characters such as Bastila due to this limitation unless we make her mute and give her a sign-language interpreter.

 

Or maybe she took a vow of silence and talks with a computer or some sort of a Steven Hawkins like thing (sorry if I misspelled his name)

[Druganator]

Or maybe she took a vow of silence and talks with a computer or some sort of a Steven Hawkins like thing (sorry if I misspelled his name)

 

<snipped> No! (<--- can i say that) i dont think you've offended anyone. and i think i may just have people speak about her and shell be meditating and ill just splice up the like ten lines she has if she needs to speak.

[Ferc Kast]

i dont think you've offended anyone. and i think i may just have people speak about her and she'll be meditating and ill just splice up the like ten lines she has if she needs to speak.

 

There is the possibility of splicing lines; Or, you could get a voice actor. (But, that would mean that her voice has changed between the first 2 games & your TC mod.) It's not my decision to make. But, there is usually more than one way to do anything.

 

Overall, it sounds very promising.

[Druganator]

There's is the possibility of splicing lines; Or, you could get a voice actor. (But, that would mean that her voice has changed between the first 2 games & your TC mod.) It's not my decision to make. But, there is usually more than one way to do anything.

 

Overall, it sounds very promising.

 

thank you very much *bows* i just want to have all voiced lines, i dont want to have some voiced and some not.

[Druganator]

I have a little idea I have some questions about.

 

since the republic commando demo is in TSL would it be possible to create a level using the demo? like have one mission of a modfied RC level that has to do with the plot?

[Canderis]

Prob not but if you could that would be cool!

[logan23]

I'm almost 100 percent sure that you can not use an alter republic commando demo level in kotor2 mod, that would be porting.

 

I know its on the disk as a demo, but republic commando is a separate game, not an expansion to kotor2.

 

 

Logan

[Darth InSidious]

It would indeed be porting.

 

No assets may be taken from another game and used in either KotOR or TSL - including porting assets from KotOR into TSL and vice versa.

[Druganator]

It would indeed be porting.

 

No assets may be taken from another game and used in either KotOR or TSL - including porting assets from KotOR into TSL and vice versa.

 

i know that i was just wondering because the demo is on the disc so i did not know if it could be considered an asset. like if i was to have one level be a modded version of the demo and then had a trigger to send it back to the rest of the game.

 

Anyway, ive been busy job hunting and at the moment ive been struggling to quit smoking cigarettes, goddamn i love newports, anyway, the past few days havent been easy. no one will hire me and i am literally broke. i have no money whatsoever. anyway i am going to get back to the writing as of tomorrow well i guess technically its today. if anyone has anything they have not said to me that they think is particularly interesting and would not affect canon in the story pm me asap so that i can attempt to include it in the first draft to get reactions asap. good night and i hope everyone is as excited as i am about finally getting this underway.

[Druganator]

hello everyone, I have some bad news. I'm David's (druganator's) father, he was shot and killed a week and a half ago. He was involved with some bad people I guess. The police seem to think it's just another drug dealer killed in DC and they don't really seem to care. It wasn't even in the news. I came on here because he showed me this awhile back when he posted the opening crawl. I thought it was pretty good but I don't know much about Star Wars I've only seen the old movies. He was always logged into this site on his computer so I thought I'd let you all know what happened. He was constantly telling me about Star Wars stuff and about what he was writing. That's all i have to say I need to go figure out how we're gonna pay for his funeral.