General Theros Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 Just curious, and maybe this has come up somewhere way earlier, but is the force lightining power blockable with the lightsaber. I am asking this because of this screen shot: http://www.jediknightii.net/screenshots/screen052.jpg It looks like the guy being shot with lightining is blocking the attack, or is it that he is doubling over in agony? I can't tell, but it does look more like the former. Any comments? General Theros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazilla Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 that's definitely agony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Theros Posted January 24, 2002 Author Share Posted January 24, 2002 Maybe so. I dunno, but it would be smooth to be able to block it. I think I may have read somewhere about someone blocking force lightining with their saber. Maybe not. I haven't read the earlier SW books in a loooong while. It would definetly be fun to do though and would add a nice balance to such a powerful force power. General Theros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazilla Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I don't think it would be possible. It would be quite hard to explain that away. Just think. Since it has an area of effect, then your lightsaber would have to turn in to some kind of force field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moses Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I think you're right. I thought the same thing when I saw it. And you are also right about it being in a book. In the Thrawn trilogy, Luke blocked lightning from Master Jorus C'baoth. He said it wrapped around his lightsaber blade and fizzed out, much as it looks like this is doing. It makes sense that Raven would do that, though. Grip was so poweful in the last game. Even with absorb on, you still slowed down and were able to be hit. I think the powers will be more balanced this time. This means counters for everything, including lightning. Good thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Theros Posted January 24, 2002 Author Share Posted January 24, 2002 I appreciate that compliment Moses. I thought I remember reading it somewhere. And I don't think that lightning is area of effect. The force chainlightning will hit multiple enemies by jumping from one guy to another but it still really isn't area-of-effect. Anyway, it would be neat if it is the case. And you are right about the force absorb issue. We will see though. General Theros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazilla Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I'm gonna head off and re-read that part you mentioned about it fizzing out on his blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPMaximilian Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I agree with dazilla, it doesn't make sense for it to 'wrap' around the saber. One more thing I don't like about some of the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi Kwan Posted January 24, 2002 Share Posted January 24, 2002 I think this picture is decieving. It looks to me that the BOT dude in the back would be too far away from Kyle to recieve lightning damage. Notice that at his feet lies a dead character, I think he's putting the finishing touches on that guy as opposed to starting in on someone new. I think Kyle was probably trying to get the guy who is on his right, who apparently dodged the attack, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Theros Posted January 24, 2002 Author Share Posted January 24, 2002 why does it not make sense for it to wrap around the blade? General Theros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Theros Posted January 24, 2002 Author Share Posted January 24, 2002 I would almost agree with you Obi Kwan, but can you see the sparks coming off of the "bot dude's" saber. You can see sparks flying around as if the lightning is hitting the saber and causing somekind of sparking reaction. General Theros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi Kwan Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Hmm, still seems to me that he is very far away to be recieving damage from that lightning. Now that Im looking at it agian, the "bot dude's" sabre seems like it is actually too far to the left of the dead guy to be hitting him. Maybe he's driving his sabre into the ground, hence the sparks. Who knows? Hopefully we will once IGN puts up their review. Let me check the other screenies for similarities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanpilou Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 have u guys ever read a starwars book?????? in these luke does sometimes block lightnings with his saber.........(read "the new rebellion") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 speaking of lightning, i wonder if there is less power by using one hand, the emperor uses two in RotJ, maybe you could have more powerful lightning by turning off our sabre while using the power? i dunno, just some ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazilla Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Yeah, and I was wondering if lightning worsens your saber fighting. I.E. If you're firing lightning, you can't defend yourself with your saber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I don't like the idea of being able to block lightning with the saber... It just doesnt feel real... Since when do glowing rods attract and dissapate electricity? Although, to stop this becoming a super power, the ability to block lightning withe the active block key (there is one right? im not just insane and thought i heard that there was passive and active block? RIGHT?!? ) might be good for gameplay balancing terms... I guess the beta will decide that. [EDIT] The other thing we see from this screenshot is that not only do the saber blades not cast shadows, neither do the handles..? Look at the closest bot to the player and look at its shadow, theres clearly a gap between the hands. [/EDIT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Originally posted by Broode The other thing we see from this screenshot is that not only do the saber blades not cast shadows, neither do the handles..? Look at the closest bot to the player and look at its shadow, theres clearly a gap between the hands. You're right I meant to ask one of the devs about the saber hilts' shadows (or lack thereof) a few day's ago, but I forgot I hope they fix it before release, if it's possible to do so... Since when do glowing rods attract and dissapate electricity? Although, to stop this becoming a super power, the ability to block lightning with the active block key (there is one right? I'm not just insane and thought I heard that there was passive and active block? RIGHT?!? ) might be good for gameplay balancing terms... I guess the beta will decide that. I don't like the idea of the Saber blocking Lightning either. And I think you'll find you're insane when it comes to the manual blocking feature ...as far as I can remember, there isn't one :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagabond Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 In the past Jedi Knight games, Force Lightning was countered with Force Absorb. I also believe that in the Return of the Jedi novel, it describes Luke using a power similar to Force Absorb to attempt to counter the Emperor's Force Lightning attack on him, but since Luke was still relatively inexperienced, he quickly became overwhelmed by the vastly more powerful Emperor. I would hope that a similar technique be available in Jedi Knight II, as it's already been established in both the games and offical literature as a legitimate power. With regard to blocking Force Lightning with a lightsaber, that doesn't really make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy I don't like the idea of the Saber blocking Lightning either. And I think you'll find you're insane when it comes to the manual blocking feature ...as far as I can remember, there isn't one :( Damn... Well, off to the loony bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamebooger Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 I highly doubt they'll have the saber blocking lightning. If they did they might as well make destruction blockable too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathBoLT Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 i think it will depend on its movement.. if you can escape, why bother blocking? however if you're relatively stuck to an area, you're going to have to increase defense(ie blocking lighting) to keep force lightning balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Obi Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 <font color=cbcbff> I think the idea is to <i>not</i> make the dark side grossly more powerful than the light side in this game. Therefore there will hopefully not be stupidly strong powers like destruction in this game. You have to think from the point of view of us jedi. A way to counter things like grip without actually being lifted off the ground would really help out. Since to be a Jedi in Jedi Knight you had to have twice the skill of a dark sider I am really hoping to see some balance in multiplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathBoLT Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Therefore there will hopefully not be stupidly strong powers like destruction in this game. I didn't think it was all that powerful... You have to think from the point of view of us jedi. A way to counter things like grip without actually being lifted off the ground would really help out. I hope nothing imobilizes a lightjedi.. while the grip + saber slash combo in FF games was sort of lethal, it would be extremely devastating with pixel on pixel collision detection. nothing should keep you imobilized for more than a second or so, as the lightsaber will be an extremely devastating weapon. Since to be a Jedi in Jedi Knight you had to have twice the skill of a dark sider I've actively played both sides of the powers and I really don't think thats neccesarily the case.. in FF guns, the lightside was the most powerful force(you could yank their gun and were immune to their force powers; they were virtually forceless and gunless). in FF sabers, the lightside wasn't neccessarily a weaker or more skill-demanding means of playing. There are multipile cases of much more skilled ff players being beaten by a nf saberist using protection or going for neutral/absorb/healing powers. note: I would know because in several of those instances, i was the ff-impaired nf saberist beating someone i couldn't touch otherwise if i were using dark powers. I am really hoping to see some balance in multiplayer. We're going to see a massive increase in the utility of the lightsaber with the dedicated servers and pixel by pixel collision detection alone. The lightsiders can maintain a invulnerability to force powers while simulataneously recieving a tremendous upgrade in offensive capability in the form of the improved lightsaber. the Darkside, unless it can imobilize you for 3+ seconds(and in that case, may gain a strong upperhand in the ability of being able to apply a possibily inbalancing grip+ saber slash combo) may be the underdog in FF saber engagements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarScrap Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Originally posted by General Theros And I don't think that lightning is area of effect. The force chainlightning will hit multiple enemies by jumping from one guy to another but it still really isn't area-of-effect. Looking at the picture how can you not think that lightning is AoE? I can use the picture as evidence, since that's what started the discussion in the first place, can't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamebooger Posted January 25, 2002 Share Posted January 25, 2002 Look at it this way. All the light side jedi in MP will only need a lightsaber and absorb(force pull would be nice but that's a neutral power so we'll count it). also a way to get out of the choke/slash is to force jump. You still take damage from being choked but you can get away from your opponent like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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