Naphtali Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 It looks as though the colors will be variable, gold,purple,blue,green,red, orange, is actually enough but people will want more. It is great though its like the last trailer the player seemed as if he was trying his best to answer questions of everyone by the trailer with out spoiling it. The sabers look great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipe Smoke Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Blue Green Red Purple Yellow Orange That is the list as it stands, no? there really COULDN'T be any more colors. Not really possible. Except white, but that'd be lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necro Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Originally posted by Pipe Smoke Blue Green Red Purple Yellow Orange That is the list as it stands, no? there really COULDN'T be any more colors. Not really possible. Except white, but that'd be lame. there can dark red, light red, dark blue, light blue, dark green, light green, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlyGod Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Silver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaberPro Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I want Black Saber and Lightning Saber!! From BFP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I can guarantee you that lots of people (Corran Horn worshippers ) will want a silver saber. A black lightsaber would be cool...seems so exotic and unusual. There should be Mace Windu's pink-purple saber color. I know I saw violet already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipe Smoke Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 What exactly determines saber color? If it's just the crystal(s), then you could have a ton of colors.. including white, black, brown, etc. http://www.hellum.com/Swarvosky%20bracelets.htm http://www.nicediamond.com/color.htm http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres4.htm http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/ls/sabres2i.htm (though the material on saber colors is outdated, now that we've seen the new Episode2 trailer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBK Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I don't think you could have a black lightsaber. The color of light is dependant on it's frequency, thoiugh crystals are involved. And I don't think there is a 'black' color in the spectrum. Isn't black the absence of color? Hmm, you've seen a rainbow. That is due to a ray of light( which is all colors therefore contains all frequencies of color) passing through water in the atmosphere. Water, as we all know, can magnify and bend (refract) light. In the case of the rainbow, the light is bent so much that it actually comes apart. And you get a seperation of colors because the frequency which corresponds w/ red will bend so much and be presented in the sky 'here' and the frequency which corresponds to green will bend so much and be represented 'there'. That was a pretty basic, and all from memories of Chemistry years ago. But It is fairly accurate I'd say. Pleez no flames, but constructive criticism welcome. Moving on... Now, a crystal acts the same as a drop of water, bending the light. So while the crystal is what is causing only 1 color/frequency to 'leave' it, it is actually that frequency of the light/energy creating the color. If you want I can stumble my way through how the frequency is what causes the particles within that beam of energy to 'spin' a certain way and that is actually what causes the color. Because frequency itself is colorless. How's your brain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBK Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Saw you post Kurgan. Yes, I did NOT take colored crystals into account. If you have a yellow crystal, that only the yellow light is leaving it, therefore you can have a yellow saber. And so on with other colored crystals. I'm still not sure about black though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Read those pages I posted, fascinating speculation... That might be right (a black crystal would produce what.. a white blade?) if it were an optical mechanism, but is it? Oh, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBK Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I read the posts(see above). Good stuff. That saber one is loooong and interesting. A good read, thanks. I was looking at it again and noticed that it doesn't really say anything about how the color is generated. In fact, the only time color and crystals are mentioned is during the "Tales of the Jedi, Redemption - NOVEL" section. And it only says the crystals are "HUGE and green". I am beginning to believe that colored crystals are an exception, rather than the rule when it comes to sabre color. If anyone can shed more light on that I'd appreciate it. Maybe I'll have to slide over and ask the guru's at starwars.com. This is my favorite thing though. I started posting and used the word 'sabre'. The past couple of days I changed it to saber because that is how everyone seems to write it. The I found this: There are a number of important points to note from these passages. the word is spelled LIGHTSABRE (not sabER) in this, THE MOST CANONICAL of written texts. NB: in some later printings, the American spelling is used - but the 1977 first edition says "sabRE" While not everyone is wrong, I'm just more right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bliv Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 A black blade is impossible. There is no such thing as black light. Why? Well lets say the saber contains two crystals in order to produce a coloured blade. When light refracts in each crystal the beams will cross soon after. If at the point of crossing the peak of one lightwave meets the trough of another, destructive interference will occur and the light emitted will be little or none. At any other point light in the form of any colour in the spectrum may be emitted, but black is impossble due to destructive interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing I can guarantee you that lots of people (Corran Horn worshippers ) will want a silver saber. You can bet it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tie Guy Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Originally posted by HBK I read the posts(see above). Good stuff. That saber one is loooong and interesting. A good read, thanks. I was looking at it again and noticed that it doesn't really say anything about how the color is generated. In fact, the only time color and crystals are mentioned is during the "Tales of the Jedi, Redemption - NOVEL" section. And it only says the crystals are "HUGE and green". I am beginning to believe that colored crystals are an exception, rather than the rule when it comes to sabre color. If anyone can shed more light on that I'd appreciate it. Maybe I'll have to slide over and ask the guru's at starwars.com. This is my favorite thing though. I started posting and used the word 'sabre'. The past couple of days I changed it to saber because that is how everyone seems to write it. The I found this: I think that they talk crystals in The Jedi Acedemy Trilogy. Gantoris, if i rember correctly, had a rainbow colored blade that had 2 crystals in it. Corran's saber was white/silver, but it became purple when he extended it. It doesn't change the frequency to change color, it changes the crystal, which is also a different shape that makes it longer. It says that Gantoris got his crystals from the Sith Temple on Yavin, and i think i remember them mentioning that there were several different varieties. And i rember from "I, Jedi" that corran said he wanted to find the "right color" of crystal to make his saber so that it would be the same color as his grandfathers. BTW, i really want a white/silver one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHerring Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 You are correct: Black is not a color. Also, seeing as how white is a combination of all of the basic colors (blue, yellow and red) you would have to have a multi-jewled lightsaber (which is possible, btw). Coran Horn was the shiznit I was so pissed when he retired. That book "I, Jedi" was one of the best books I've read. I like especially because it ties in with the Jedi Academy series by Kevin J. Andersen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasuki Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I think no one know since it fiction and in the star wars universe there could be some crystal that produces a black light. Physics and science don't have much point in a fake reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aletoledo Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 hehehe, I registered just to help you guys out. black is indeed a color, you can easily discover this by taking any painting set and combine all the colors together....you'll get black. what the distinction that you've missed is that in terms of light spectrum there isn't a black spectrum and a combination of all the colors produces white actually, but to the human eye there is a color black, which is simply no light percieved (demonstrated by closing your eyes). what it comes down to is the perception of reflected (or refracted) light to our eyes. no reflected/refracted light to our eyes produces black. therefore a lightsaber that reflected/refracted no light at all would be black. now I suppose it then comes down to how the light of a lightsaber is colored? is it caused by the color of the gems in the handle projecting light to our eyes or the color of the light refracted through the beam where it is established? since a lightsaber will project light (and its color) into a dark room, then its color must primarily come from light projected from the gems and thus black we'd suspect wouldn't be possible because nothing would be projected out to form the physical light blade (remember black is the absense of light not color). yet there is still a chance of a black blade since we've only talked about visible light. why can't a lightsaber be made of ultraviolet light? now at first you might think that the blade would be invisible since its ultraviolet, but since we've already determined that the blade is a physical piece that doesn't refract light through it but rather projects light from itself...well that means it would block all normal light and with no visible light projected from or refracted through it, it would then be black. think that there would be some light coming through it to show the other side of the blade? well you will never see a blue lightsaber turn green as it passes over a yellow background so the blade (at least in the middle) is essentialy opaque no matter what color it is. no reason that the ultraviolet blade would be any less opaque. if a blue light is opaque there isn't a reason another color frequancy would be any less opaque. thus a black blade is possible, if your midichlorins are high enough and george says its ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broode Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Originally posted by aletoledo yet there is still a chance of a black blade since we've only talked about visible light. why can't a lightsaber be made of ultraviolet light? now at first you might think that the blade would be invisible since its ultraviolet, but since we've already determined that the blade is a physical piece that doesn't refract light through it but rather projects light from itself...well that means it would block all normal light and with no visible light projected from or refracted through it, it would then be black. think that there would be some light coming through it to show the other side of the blade? well you will never see a blue lightsaber turn green as it passes over a yellow background so the blade (at least in the middle) is essentialy opaque no matter what color it is. no reason that the ultraviolet blade would be any less opaque. if a blue light is opaque there isn't a reason another color frequancy would be any less opaque. Thats a very good point. Although, I'm pretty sure if sabers could exist, they would actually be transparent, meaning that a blue lightsaber over a yellow background makes a green one. (Or maybe thats why lukes sabre was green in rotj, because it kept going green every time it went over the desert anyway (lucas was actually quite happy to only have blue and red sabers in SW btw)) So, if you managed to ger your lightsabre made out of UV light, no one could tell if its on or not. And if you slice someone you would give them instant skin cancer. Or something. But more on topic, black should be possible in JO. LA and Raven seem to be taking the films literally when it comes to inspiration, so the opaque theory should be correct in game. But then another question arises: If there could be a black lightsabre, would the core be black or white? I'm interested to know what you guys think. Oh yeah, Welcome to the forums aletoledo, I hope you enjoy your stay. Expect some welcoming gifts from whoever is giving them out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro The Hutt Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 hmm.. nah... the words "black" and "light"saber contradict themselves too much. It's like asking for dry water ^.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothingMan Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 What would be nice is for there to be RGB color sliders to pick the color you want. It would be a little bit more effort, but there would be 16.5 Million possible Sabre colors (of course the majority of the colors would be similar, but still). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necro Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Originally posted by NothingMan What would be nice is for there to be RGB color sliders to pick the color you want. It would be a little bit more effort, but there would be 16.5 Million possible Sabre colors (of course the majority of the colors would be similar, but still). that my friend, would own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 After reading over that guy's page (the one I posted above) I am convinced that the Saber is NOT an optical device, despite what some of the apocryphal EU sources say, and it seems the color is simply an aesthetic choice made by the person building the saber. Even if it were pure energy, it would need some kind of "stopping" mechanism (like a containing shield) else the beams would pass through each other, making dueling impossible (and it has nothing to do with the Force, because we've seen non force sensitives use sabers). I figure if you can color the plasma in the core (however you would do it) you could make it black. What would it look like? It would have some "white" in it, but the opaque blade would be a dark gray color, it wouldn't be invisible or a "shadow." I suppose it would be cool to look at it and just see an "absence" of color, like a 3d shadow floating in mid-air, but I picture it more like the saber is a giant oil slick in the shape of the blade we're used to seeing. It might throw off black particles and maybe bits of white light (remember that before Episode I at least, all sabers that cast light cast off WHITE light, even if they were blue, red). And sabers are opaqe, if you go by the movies (ie: they cast shadows). The spelling thing is a regional deal. In the US it's spelled one way, everywhere else it's spelled another (like color/colour, theater/theatre, etc). Whatever you think looks best, just be consistent. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 I read the entire saber (pardon me.... sabRE) documentation on that site, and I found that guy to be a little up himself. He seems to discredit official sources a little too much. 5 months of work on a piece about how something that doesn't exist works? Someone has a little too much time on their hands... It's a movie. It's sci fi. Why question the workings of a weapon featured in it? I say just accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Well, what he's doing is the same thing that all those EU sources are doing (EG, RPG's, etc), it's just that I assume he's doing it for FUN rather than pay. I think one motivation for doing what he does (and what Stardestroyer.net does) is because many of the non film sources are contradictory on various subjects like this. Hence they try to put forth an alternate explanation that makes more sense (to them at least). And I think that's perfectly fine, I like reading the other theories, even if they are about fiction. It's fun! ; ) Obviously other people care about the "inner workings" of these fictional weapons and devices, because those guides and EU books sell pretty well... so I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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