AurorABLaZe Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I'd have to say Vader vs. Luke in Ep. VI. One of the best scenes/fights in any movie...ever. However, I've always loved any lightsaber duel. The worst was Obi-wan vs. Vader in Ep. IV, by far, but it wasn't too bad since Obi-Wan was really old, and he only died by surrendering so that Luke wouldn't know the truth.... I think they need more lightsaber battles. I would have really appreciated seeing a ton more battles, way longer too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I think the duels in all the movies kick ass, they all stand their own right when you look at how well the fighters are trained, the mood and setting, the purpose of the fight. Lots of people diss George Lucas that he lost the feel of the OT but in Episode II when Anakin fights Dooku/Tyranus, he loses the green bladed saber and the power conduit gets slashed and everything is cast in darkness and shadows, the mood, the setting and the glow of the blue blade and the red blade. The facial expressions, how it gets blurred exactly who has the red (evil) and the blue (good) saber. I thought that was awesome. Especially with the score from John Williams building up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xX-Ender-Xx Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 I dont know what anybody is talking about, Lucas still has the touch to make SW movies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 This is a fan made movie called Duality, but check out this movie and the duel in it between Lord Rive and Darth Blight. http://www.crewoftwo.com/movie/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_michaels Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 I think Obi-wan vs Anakin in Episode III will be the best. It will be fast, dark and emotional. Even Ewen and Hayden said it will be awesome. Can,t Wait to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKing Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Most spectacular was without a doubt the Maul/Qui Gon/Obiwan duel in Epsiode I. The Dooku/Obi Wan/Anakin fight in Episode II was too brief, but then I guess it was designed that way to showcase Dooku's superior power and make Yoda's force use even more awesome. I think the Vader/Luke duels in Episode V & VI were good, mainly due to the subtext associated with them. The Vader/Obiwan duel in Episode IV was like two old men in walking frames duking it out in slow motion. Cheers, DK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xX-Ender-Xx Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by DemonKing Most spectacular was without a doubt the Maul/Qui Gon/Obiwan duel in Epsiode I. The Dooku/Obi Wan/Anakin fight in Episode II was too brief, but then I guess it was designed that way to showcase Dooku's superior power and make Yoda's force use even more awesome. I think the Vader/Luke duels in Episode V & VI were good, mainly due to the subtext associated with them. The Vader/Obiwan duel in Episode IV was like two old men in walking frames duking it out in slow motion. Cheers, DK I agree with you on everything you just said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methedrine Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 The Geonosis Arena fight was my favourite. Very impressive watching all those Jedi fighting. Shame they all get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U235 Posted June 11, 2002 Author Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by Methedrine The Geonosis Arena fight was my favourite. Very impressive watching all those Jedi fighting. Shame they all get killed. yeah that was awesome.... haven't seen so many jedi at once... nothing beats that huh? well this is supposed to be pure duel discussions and not battles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by Methedrine The Geonosis Arena fight was my favourite. Very impressive watching all those Jedi fighting. Shame they all get killed. They dont all get killed in that battle. Only some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone142 Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 To me the duels illustrate well the problem with the prequel movies: they are all technique/technology and zero emotions. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Ep. 1 & 2 too but they are so dry emotionally, same goes for the duels. The duels in Ep. 1 were the most beautiful technically. The duels in Ep. 2 showed many lightsaber styles but were too short and the try for drama (the close-up shots) failed (seeing Yoda duel was fun but not much else). The duels in the OT are the least beautiful (think old Ben Kenobi vs. Vader, brrrr) but the acting, music, script and directing are so good you actually FEEL something (just look at Luke's face during that last duel and see the rage). So my favorite has to be Luke vs Vader Episode VI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by Clone142 To me the duels illustrate well the problem with the prequel movies: they are all technic/technology and zero emotions. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Ep. 1 & 2 too but they are so dry emotionally, same goes for the duels. The duels in Ep. 1 were the most beautiful technically. The duels in Ep. 2 showed many lightsaber styles but were too short and the try for drama (the close-up shots) failed (seeing Yoda duel was fun but not much else). The duels in the OT are the least beautiful (think old Ben Kenobi vs. Vader, brrrr) but the acting, music, script and directing are so good you actually FEEL something (just look at Luke's face during that last duel and see the rage). The duels in the prquels are meant for people to see how the Jedi used to fight. In the OT we have old men fighting and Luke who is a newb jedi. He doesnt have nearly enough training to use a light saber to its full potential. The only thing he has when fighting vader is his rage. You mean there is no emotion in the prequel fights?! What about when Maul killed Qui Gon. Obi Wan was fighting Maul with FULL blown emotion after that. He tried to control his emotions the best he could. Like a true Jedi has to. A newb like luke let his rage take over him vs. vader. Plus vader was kinda old by then. Anakin saves Obi Wan from Dooku, jumping from across the room. No emotion? You have to understand that True Jedi's dont let their emotions take over them. Especially in a fight. I doubt youll see a TRUE Jedi screaming and hollering like luke did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U235 Posted June 11, 2002 Author Share Posted June 11, 2002 glad to know someone else also has Luke-Vader ep VI duel as favorite :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clone142 Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Well, glad to know that the prequel duels did it for you. Originally posted by MotionMan The duels in the prequels are meant for people to see how the Jedi used to fight. In the OT we have old men fighting and Luke who is a newb jedi. He doesnt have nearly enough training to use a light saber to its full potential. The only thing he has when fighting vader is his rage. Yeah I know all about GL's theory behind the prequel Jedi skills; I saw the documentaries too. I've got nothing against that. On the contrary, the new lightsaber fighting styles are great. It's the emotion content of the new movies that bother me. These are not documentaries about the ways of the Jedi pre-Empire times after all. These are motion pictures, you know like Braveheart and Gladiator. Somehow the viewer is supposed to be enthralled by the emotional content on the screen. You mean there is no emotion in the prequel fights?! What about when Maul killed Qui Gon. Obi Wan was fighting Maul with FULL blown emotion after that. He tried to control his emotions the best he could. Like a true Jedi has to. A newb like luke let his rage take over him vs. vader. Plus vader was kinda old by then. Yeah, enjoyed the very nice techniques and beautiful choreography. Thought Liam Neeson acting was not too bad. But Obi Wan fighting his emotion... sorry didn't hit th mark. His master has just been killed and that's all he can muster. Ah, well. Anakin saves Obi Wan from Dooku, jumping from across the room. No emotion? In a word, NO. Nice jump Anakin. Did you feel fear on the face of Obi Wan as he was about to die or anger or sadic satisfaction for that matter on the face of Dooku (he turned to the darkside after all) as he was about to deliver the coup de grace ? Well I didn't. Thing is, in the prequel the story is there. It's just that the acting and directing are too much below par to be credible. Watch the OT, then watch the prequel, duels and all and the emotional sterility of the performances in the prequels are obvious. I enjoyed the prequel, they're simply not all that they could have been, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by Clone142 Yeah, enjoyed the very nice techniques and beautiful choreography. Thought Liam Neeson acting was not too bad. But Obi Wan fighting his emotion... sorry didn't hit th mark. His master has just been killed and that's all he can muster. Ah, well. Thats all he can muster? You did see him kill Darth Maul right? You did see him fight more reckless than he was accustomed too. He did give his classic "Noooooo". What did you expect him to do? Cry while fighting Maul? LOL thats not how Jedi are trained. Ill say this again. Jedi are not supposed to be controled by their emotions. Thing is, in the prequel the story is there. It's just that the acting and directing are too much below par to be credible. Watch the OT, then watch the prequel, duels and all and the emotional sterility of the performances in the prequels are obvious. I enjoyed the prequel, they're simply not all that they could have been, that's all. Its Star Wars! The main charecter is the special EFX. NOT academy award acting. It has always been that way. I do see what your saying. Some actors were better than some. I know. Harrison Ford is one of my favorite actors. Like it has been said before: Most of us watched the OT when we were younger. We didnt focus too much on the acting, directing, camera angles..ect. The story and special efx, aliens ect are what attrated most. Now that alot of us are older, we tend to pick apart movies more thouroughly. We expect oscar caliber perfomances, Excellent dialogue, ect. Now that most are older it is impossible to live up to everyones expectations. The younger crowd however takes it all in as it was meant to be taken. With an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ET Warrior Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Actually, i DID watch the OT followed by the prequels.....i watched them all in the same day......on May 16th i got up at 4 AM, and watched ep 4, then 5, then 6, then 1, then went to the theater and watch ep 2.....and there is emotion in the fights...when obi wan fought darth maul after he killed Qui-Gon...he was pretty mad, you could see it in his face before the fight started, when they were facing off..he was pissed.... Did you feel fear on the face of Obi Wan as he was about to die or anger or sadic satisfaction for that matter on the face of Dooku? Did you feel fear on alec Guiness' face when he was about to die in ep4? Jedi do not fear death, or they wouldn't be Jedi. And Dooku had that sadistic satisfaction through the entire fight, and he was even mocking and taunting Obi-Wan, i dont think he would have enjoyed killing Obi as much as you think he would've, because he felt kind of bad about letting his droids kill Mace, so he probably felt a little bad about finishing of obi wan. Don't get me wrong, i loved all the fights in the OT as well, but i dont think there is anything wrong atall with the new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVenom Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Nothin can beat JK2! But seriously the saber fights in the new films are much more exciting that the OT.... certainly different in atmosphere aswell - much faster.. the next film's gonna be awsome with Vader, Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan all duelling at sum point (i guess/hope) (My fav duel episode I Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan & Maul BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionen Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Using lightsabers, duels cant be anything else than great! I dont have a special favourite fight... they are all different. The Yoda - Dooku fight is fun to watch, the QuiGonObi - Maul is exciting and fast. The fights between Luke and Vader in E5 and 6 has the perfect feeling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 If Plo Koon would've fought someone.....that would've been my favorite........i really hope that they add the scene where him and Ki Adi are fighting droids to the DVD......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 The duels in I & II haven't been very emotionally charged. Granted the characters have been somewhat emotional, but the duels haven't had as much meaning, specifically in II. If you compare the duel with Dooku to Lukes duel with Vader, it doesn't stand up. Who cares about Dooku? He's just some guy. Vader had killed Ben, he's this bad guy, and we loathe him. Then all of the sudden he's Luke's dad and it's like...what the hell??? I wish that I had been an adult when I first watched the OT, so I could have been fully moved by that...I imagine it was an incredible moment. Don't get me wrong, I like the Duels in the new movies, but I'm not sure that they can compare to the OT duels in terms of meaning. When EpIII comes out, I think we'll have some incredible, deep duels though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Like when Plo Koon dies.....THAT will be very very sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 The Geonosis Arena battle was awesome with all those Jedi. I especially liked watching the women Jedi for the first time! Yoda vs Dooku was a sight to see. Yoda can kick serious a$$ and what is especially funny is how he goes back to using a walking stick after it. Vader vs Luke is the one though. It has all the elements of the duel you want to see, just the right length, just the right amount of action and the classic speech mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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