123456789101112 Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon look above you I was asking obi-wan13 that question since he said that pergatory doesn't exist. That's why I quoted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 28, 2002 Author Share Posted June 28, 2002 To answer Yom's question, I dont really believe in any kind of religion. I have no personal proof of there being any gods. Not to say there isnt, I cant prove or disprove it. I would say Im nuetral, I dont really care what one person believes from the next, so long as those beliefs dont cause them to act unnacceptably towards me. I do hold the belief that religion is something for old men to ponder, not children. Children dont have the ability to discern for themselves what they see as true. I'd rather find out at the last moment anyway. Why concern myself with it while im busy living? One thing I do have a problem with is the breaks in the constitution due to christianity. America was founded on religious freedoms, and being someone who doenst believe in god, I dont get the feeling I have that freedom. Maybe legally, but not in real life. I do live in the bible belt, and I came from Canada; where you're reigion is really unimportant, and never comes up, its more personal; so I may just be over-sensitive. All i have to say is being a minority sux. I was never a joiner anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon umm jesus wasent a model jesus died for all our sins Jesus was a model as well. His teachings, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedragon Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Whitedragon, Everyone in Heaven will be treated the same. thats not what it says in the bible. it says that you will be happey even if your reward is not as great as others you will still be equally happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789101112 Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon umm jesus wasent a model jesus died for all our sins Dood, read the whole thing. You are just looking at parts of my explanations. I said ONE of His puposes....... and yes he was a model. He showed us how to live. We follow His example of hoe He lived. He also died for our sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon thats not what it says in the bible. it says that you will be happey even if your reward is not as great as others you will still be equally happy where does it say this? I only have read "Great shall be thoust reward" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789101112 Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon ok mr atheist what happens after you die. nothing? D00D!!!!!!!! Read the whole thing. He said he WAS an atheist during his teen years and that he chooses to believe now. WTF? Please read the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedragon Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by 123456789101112 D00D!!!!!!!! Read the whole thing. He said he WAS an atheist during his teen years and that he chooses to believe now. WTF? Please read the whole thing. sorry i appologise im just....well LASY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 28, 2002 Author Share Posted June 28, 2002 So nobody is paying attention to me now? Waaaah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yom Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 all i have to say is the bible belt sux i cant what to get out of school and go to new york to THE C.I.A. (culinay institut of amarica) cuz every time i get asked what do u believe in god it starts this whole converstion up. like the one we are having now yom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by Lime-Light So nobody is paying attention to me now? Waaaah. I know you are, but what am I? I listen to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789101112 Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by Lime-Light To answer Yom's question, I dont really believe in any kind of religion. I have no personal proof of there being any gods. Not to say there isnt, I cant prove or disprove it. I would say Im nuetral, I dont really care what one person believes from the next, so long as those beliefs dont cause them to act unnacceptably towards me. I do hold the belief that religion is something for old men to ponder, not children. Children dont have the ability to discern for themselves what they see as true. I'd rather find out at the last moment anyway. Why concern myself with it while im busy living? One thing I do have a problem with is the breaks in the constitution due to christianity. America was founded on religious freedoms, and being someone who doenst believe in god, I dont get the feeling I have that freedom. Maybe legally, but not in real life. I do live in the bible belt, and I came from Canada; where you're reigion is really unimportant, and never comes up, its more personal; so I may just be over-sensitive. All i have to say is being a minority sux. I was never a joiner anyway One thing that I ask you than, if you are an atheist, is why do you strive to do good? If there is no God, than nothing matters. It should all be about you. Why do you care if you do good towards others than? Do what you want to do. It's all for you than. Yet, you strive to do good things. Do what you want, even if it means doing something mean or bad. You see what I'm saying? I'm not trying to be mean I just want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedragon Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 fine we can end this right now and have this argument meaning less because yom dosent want to talk about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Golden social rule... Never discuss politics or Religion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789101112 Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon sorry i appologise im just....well LASY Hehe! It's ok. No problem. I admit to skimming over some of these too. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Then LimeLIght you would be the more scientific type. You need scientific proof for certain events or any other of the sort. Am I right? Personnaly, I'm catholic... on paper. However I'm not a religious man. I know allmost nothing about the Bible. Only those quotes Hollywood loves to use so often. I have nothing wrong against other religions and thier beliefs. However I understand why some people are deeply religious. I see quite often some people blasting religion and that it is the only cause for war and social problems in the world. In a way that is correct. But there is a reason some people hold dearly to thier faith. Hope and the need to believe in something. Plain and simple. I know there might be other things, but quite often those two are the main reasons. The problem with religious conflicts (the most famous right now is the Middle East and Ireland) is because when something turns into a social gathering, the IQ litteraly lowers. Its like a social conscience and the social memory. They are both short and small. The Social memory would be about 6 months. People are allmost allready forgetting about September 11th. They mostly just know, and care, about bombing countries they think they are a threat to social security. Now this is not a personnal opinion, just a personnal view I noticed while looking at the news paper and the televion every day. Right now Bush and American are talking more often Iran, Iraq and the Middle East instead of the Al Qeada and Bin Laden. Sure he's still the topic from time to time. But since nobody captured him why not try to ignore the fact that he HASN'T been caught yet. This is probebly what Bin Laden wants. To be slowly forgotten and then he'll show his face again on television and the world. Well, thats my rant for today. I hope nobody got offended. Nothing mean or cold hearted was ment. Just voicing my opinion on such matters. If you do have a problem, feel free to contact me and I'll apoplogize and edit this post. I'll keep an eye on this thread so nothing happens however. Like a flame war or insults on other religions, believes and people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by 123456789101112 One thing that I ask you than, if you are an atheist, is why do you strive to do good? If there is no God, than nothing matters. It should all be about you. Why do you care if you do good towards others than? Do what you want to do. It's all for you than. Yet, you strive to do good things. Do what you want, even if it means doing something mean or bad. You see what I'm saying? I'm not trying to be mean I just want to know. differance between Atheist, and Butt hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yom Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by Lime-Light So nobody is paying attention to me now? Waaaah. i am paying attenti....oh... look...i found a donut! ya!! what are we talking about agin:D yom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedragon Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by Tyrion Golden social rule... Never discuss politics or Religion... why because some people get offended. BIG DEAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789101112 Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by Tyrion Golden social rule... Never discuss politics or Religion... Actually, the golden rule is to treat others like you would yourself and to love God with your whole heart. Whichever. Hehe. I guess that may be the golden social rule.... but I think that this golden rule is more imprtant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedragon Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by obi-wan13 differance between Atheist, and Butt hole. thats a tough one.....aw hell next question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted June 28, 2002 Author Share Posted June 28, 2002 Why do I do good things and not hate my fellow human being? Becuase Im a human being too! Becuase I dont need some god to tell me right from wrong. We humans are born with it. I feel personal guilt when I do something wrong, I dont feel the need to be evil. I am not influenced by some evil "satan" to do wrong and have bad judgement, or to hurt poeple for personal gians. I want poeple to like me. Will I go to hell for being selfish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yom Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 Originally posted by whitedragon fine we can end this right now and have this argument meaning less because yom dosent want to talk about it i can and i will if u whant me to the only thing is i just dont whant to piss people off and get them all mad at me and they will never talk to me agin yom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 wow. i just realised I went from one topic to a completly new one. oops. sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 28, 2002 Share Posted June 28, 2002 It wasn't a question. It's almost 1 in the mornin, so I probably don't make much sense. What I meant was: There is a differencr between athiests and Butt holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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