A Republic Gunship we can all live with!

[simwiz2]

Originally posted by Darth Windu

simwiz - i said that there was (and still is) a majority who have voted for the gunship as the second UU

 

So if I were to create a poll about something with one yes (5 votes) and 5 different No's (3 votes each) then the yes would be clearly popular? I don't think so. If you would now claim the Gunship has majority without considering that all the other options are all NO FOR THE UU then all your poll proves is that you can manipulate the choices to color the results in your favor. Is that why you made 4 options instead of 2? Other options... Toybox, hmm that sounds like they don't want it as a UU, cheat unit same, don't want it as a UU any more than the Death Star is an empire UU. And the not at all is just, no.

 

Also, i said before, keep it related to the subject, and dont attack other members in this forum.

 

I don't remember attacking you in that post, so unless you are trying to dig up some long-ago post I have no idea what you are talking about. And you really shouldn't be talking about attacking other members:

 

So sithmatser, you cant win an argument, and the community obviously disagrees with you on both of these issues, so you go running to daddy to get them deleted?

Which in case you didn't realise was why he attacked you in the Gunship thread, and also prompted me to get into the argument in the first place. Wait - there's more...

 

...i suggest you take up reading lessons.

 

Also, ignore simwiz, he likes to make up things that he will then use a 'quote' from you, besides he's opposed to the terrefic gunship idea."

Which btw is beyond lame - ignore him he is against this idea. How about "ignore Windu he is against common sense and gameplay."

 

I know you are trying to promote your "good guy being mercilessly picked on by the meanies"image, but you are really just being a hypocrite, as has been said already by at least one other member.

[Darth Windu]

*sigh* let me explain the concept of majority.

majority - when you have a greater number of votes than any other individual option.

 

absolute majority - when you have more than 50% of all votes.

 

now simwiz - STAY OFF THIS THREAD. I have alsked you twice to post only things that are relevant to the topic, and twice you have ignored me, for which there is no excuse. If you want to argue with me or anyone else, do it in a special thread. As i previously said, if you want to post something constructive about this idea, go ahead, but you dont, so stay away.

[J-5]

OMG !!! Why are we still talking about the Republic Gunship!! Making 50 threads about the gunship isn't going to make it suddenly appear in the game.

 

FYI, I voted no to a new gunship. It is already in the game, so live with it. If it is moved, then what will the republic fighter-adv. fighter be. They had to use the gunship there, it the only fighter we see the Republic use in the movies.

[simwiz2]

Originally posted by Darth Windu

*sigh* let me explain the concept of majority.

majority - when you have a greater number of votes than any other individual option.

absolute majority - when you have more than 50% of all votes.

*sigh* let me explain that as long as less than half have voted for the UU, then the majority of people polled think it should not be a UU. If they voted for toybox they think it should not be a UU. If they voted for cheat then they think it should not be a UU. If they voted for not at all then they think it should not be a UU.

 

now simwiz - STAY OFF THIS THREAD. I have alsked you twice to post only things that are relevant to the topic, and twice you have ignored me, for which there is no excuse.

Let's get one thing clear, okay? I post where I like to post. I go into whatever threads I like to go into. I don't know who you think you are if you expect me to listen to you telling me where I can and cannot post. And what the community thinks of this idea is kind of is relevant, because its about this idea's success or failure.

 

If you want to argue with me or anyone else, do it in a special thread. As i previously said, if you want to post something constructive about this idea, go ahead, but you dont, so stay away.

If I want to argue against this idea and whether the community wants it I will do so in the idea's thread. Is all opposition not constructive? Afraid that people will read my posts and see how much nonsense the idea is? Do you attempt to silence the opposition by telling them to get out?

 

And like I said before, if one would claim the Gunship UU to be popularly wanted based on the current results, then the poll only shows how results can be colored - split up the opposition and say "hey look the one real YES has a longer bar, cool!"

 

Summary of Gunship UU idea:

*No place for it in gameplay

*Will either be useless itself or make other unit(s) useless

*It is NOT a recon asset

*Republic is already a very strong civ, no need for it

*Unless overpowered, the Gunship UU will be nothing like the movie, taking away the reason to change it in the first place

*Toybox Gunship could be much more realistic

*2 troopers and AA turret food will NOT influence a battle much

*Of the ideas suggested, most were either overpriced bomber-transports or overpowered super air cruiser transports.

*Curent fighter incarnation is realistic because Gunships were used exactly like fighters in the movie.

[Darth Windu]

Reasons why the Gunship should be a second UU-

1. Make the game more realistic

2. Alter gameplay

3. Show the gunship the way it should be

4. The Gunship is unique

5. New strategy's for the Republic

6. New Strategy's for people fighting the Republic

7. I'm sure lucasarts can balance it

8. its not a fighter!!!!!

 

J-5 - actually this is the only current thread, and ITS NOT A FIGHTER.

 

Simwiz - just looking at three of your points.

"*Toybox Gunship could be much more realistic" - then vote for the toybox gunship.

 

"*Curent fighter incarnation is realistic because Gunships were used exactly like fighters in the movie." - no, they are used as assault helicopter's in the movie, even the ep2 producers said it was based on a helicopter.

 

"*Of the ideas suggested, most were either overpriced bomber-transports or overpowered super air cruiser transports." - its not up to us, the final stats would be done by the talented staff over at lucasarts.

 

Either way the thing goes, at the moment, 75% of people surveyed want the gunship to reflect it's true abilities, wether its a cheat, a UU or a toybox unit. I would be happy with any of those three.

[simwiz2]

Originally posted by Darth Windu

(1)then vote for the toybox gunship.

 

(2)no, they are used as assault helicopter's in the movie, even the ep2 producers said it was based on a helicopter.

 

(3) its not up to us, the final stats would be done by the talented staff over at lucasarts.

 

(4)Either way the thing goes, at the moment, 75% of people surveyed want the gunship to reflect it's true abilities, wether its a cheat, a UU or a toybox unit. I would be happy with any of those three.

 

1 - I did.

 

2 - It is the closest thing to a republic fighter that I saw used in ep2, and in use (not appearance) Starfighters are much more unique than the Gunship.

 

3 - But many general ideas have been stated, and all have been found faulty. If those who want the idea to begin with cannot think of an idea for it then I don't think LucasArts will try.

 

4 - You may be willing to accept a cheat/toybox, but the cheat/toybox is not what you have been trying to get - in most of your posts you argue for the UU - and only 38.46% want it as the UU, 61.54% don't want it as the UU. Of course there is a majority for the Gunship in general - because it would be hard for people to find fault with a toybox unit that will have no negative effect on game balance at all.

[MIK8454]

here r some ideas

 

1. get rid of the jedi starfighter and replace it with the gunship, and make up a new fighter, they did t with some of the othe civs

 

2. keep the starfighter, and make the gunship unique, nd make up new fighters

 

3. keep it how it is

 

4. make the jedi starfighter the republic fighter, and the gunship the UU

 

i personally would pick 1., but thats just because that would fit my playing style best, considering i dont much liek the jedi starfighter, since it doesnt go with my playing style, and i generally dont care baout other people playing styles, im only considering mine here, so if LA wants to please me, they can do that, but i dont know about everyone else, LA can figure that out on their own, cus it seems not man people r on this thread

[Darth Windu]

simwiz - yes, i do want the gunship as a UU, but if the only way to get it is in the toybox, i'll accept it. I know that there was no other Republic fighter shown, which is a pain in the butt, which is why i would want this to be changed if there is a SW:GB 2. Reason being that i would want SW:GB 2 to be created after episode 3 is released, so there would be all of the material in there, and hopefully a republic fighter to take the gunship's place.

[Kryllith]

Of course there weren't any gungan fighters, rebel assault mechs, wookie vehicles of any time... in the movies. I imagine there were probably various sketched version of the gunship and jedi starfighter that didn't make the cut that could be used as the Republic fighter...

 

Kryllith

[Darth Windu]

kyllith - while that could be done, i relaise that the Gunship has about a 1% chance of being changed in SW:GB. That, and the hope of a new Republic Fighter, is why i said that if there is a SW:GB 2, it should be after episode 3 is released.

[eizo131]

The gunship should be the UU, and the Jedi starfighter the republic fighter. Lucas arts could put in a patch........

[simwiz2]

Originally posted by eizo131

The gunship should be the UU, and the Jedi starfighter the republic fighter. Lucas arts could put in a patch........

 

 

I happen to like the starfighter, and would be infuriated (as I believe many others would also be) if they removed one of the most fun UU's in the game. How can you not love sitting above a fortress surrounded by AA turrets and mobiles and fighters, getting valuable recon while laughing that if they only could see you they have enough firepower to completely destroy 20X the unit instantly? Or using the super-fast unit to hit and run their workers in T3, and using its stealth to kill their mining outposts in T4?

 

And as I have already said the Starfighter is more unique than the Gunship. The Gunship was used as a fighter, the Starfighter was not.

 

I see no reason why the Republic should be so downgraded (yes, it would be downgraded) to lose its useful and specialised UU for a useless bomber-transport.

[Darth Windu]

simwiz - i find that very hard to believe. Look at the movies, and then compare the Jedi Starfighter to the X-wing, and then the Gunship to the X-wing, i think you will see my point. However, it is a moot point anyway, they should BOTH be Republic unique units, ans they are both...unique. However i think that if the gunship is made as a UU, it should get the rockets (different weapon, just same animation) while the Jedi Starfighter should get standard fighter weapons, but keep it's jedi upgrades.

[CorranSec]

I think what we are suggesting is that the Gunship becomes the second Republic UU. In the same way as the A-Wing is the second Rebel UU.

Jedi Starfighter should stay the same.... it's been done the way it is for a reason, and that reason is called Game Balance. i like it. I'm irritated by the delay before firing, but I know that without that Game Balance would severely suffer.

Imagine- Jedi Starfighter with fighter weapons. A pack of them fly into an enemy base cloaked. They fire at an AA turret, then stop firing- cannot be hit by missiles or other fighters. This could be repeated and would make the Starfighter absolutely and totally overpowered.

Jedi Starfighter wouldn't work as a Republic normal fighter either. Starfighters are unique, elite, etc. Therefore, they are a UU.

 

I really wonder what the responses would be if the poll was simply:

1. Republic Gunship as the second Republic UU

2. Republic Gunship stays as it is

 

Also, a little nit-picking thing, but the people who voted "I don't want the Gunship at all" clearly want a new Republic fighter.

This poll is getting weird because the actual poll choices are getting a bit cloudy, thanks to simwiz's expert muddling of the issue.

No offense.

[Darth Windu]

Actually the last option was supposed to be for people who wanted it left as it is, i just didnt word it very well. Also, because i cant edit the poll, i cant change it.

[simwiz2]

This poll is getting weird because the actual poll choices are getting a bit cloudy, thanks to simwiz's expert muddling of the issue.

 

Poll Choices:

2nd UU (for the UU)

Toybox (against the UU)

Cheat (against the UU)

None (against the UU)

 

7/17 want the UU (41.18%)

14/17 want some kind of gunship (82.35%)

7/17 want a cheat/toybox gunship (41.18%)

10/17 are against a UU (58.82%)

3/17 dont want any gunship (17.65%)

 

and for some more expert muddling...

17/17 chose one of the 4 options (100%)

0/17 who voted chose no option (0%)

17/17 who voted saw this thread (100%)

17/17 who voted have some way to get on the internet (100%)

 

[CorranSec]

LOL! LOL! LOL!

Ahh, simwiz, tis a pity we're not on the same side. You're an expert wordsmith. It takes a trained and sharp mind- such as my own (a mind)- to notice that the last four didn't mean anything at all.

 

On the topic of percentages-

17/252 of the people who came here voted (6.746%)

Therefore, 235/252 of the people who came here didn't vote. (93.254%)

Lazy bums. Me blue, you red. You die. Die!

9 people have actually posted something in this thread. 3.57% of 252.

Assuming those 9 people voted, if they didn't, it's for you, 52.94% of people who voted had something to say about the issue.

The other 8 people who voted but didn't post (47.06%)- I am disgusted. you're not lazy enough to just look and leave, but you couldn't even have the courtesy to say who you are and what you voted for!

bah.

 

Now I want to see some changes here! On the double!

You there! Vote vote vote!

And you! Lose some weight!

[Darth Windu]

Gunship is more like the X-wing than the Jedi Starfighter???? What the hell have you been smoking?

 

The Jedi Starfighter we dont know much about, because we havent really seen it do anything, but from what we have seen it is very similar to the X-wing in that it is a fighter, one pilot etc very much like today's F-15. The Republic Gunship is not a fighter, it is like todays' Russian MiL Mi-24 'Hind' helicopter gunship. I suggest you look those two pieces of equipment up on the internet and compare them, they are nothing alike. Also go and ask anyone who works for the USAF or any other air force in the world full-time and ask them, i can assure you they will agree with me.

 

HOWEVER as i have already said, i know it wont be changed for SW:GB which is why i want it for the possible SW:GB 2. I'm sure that if it was put into the game to show its true abilities from the start, there wouldn't be any problems.

[CorranSec]

Hello, Sith. I don't know you, but I've heard of you. You're rather infamous, mainly from the statements "one who is willing to negotiate" and "What the! Sith!? Negotiate!?"

Or some such.

Having joined this debate (I use the term 'debate' loosely), I expect I will be seeing lots of you now. Though I am unsure whether that is good or bad.

 

Me? Child? Blessed?

Why? and that was a very old post.

 

I think the UU is tied for longest bar. Things keep changing.

 

What's back? I missed all the other threads/polls/etc/etc/insults/flame wars/etc/vicious debates/etc.

 

Personally I think the Gunship would be superior to the X-Wing.. it is, after all, a Gunship, with many Guns, or... um... you know what i mean!

Gunships are bigger (err, ok, maybe bigger) better armed, more destructive, AND owned by a different civ than the X-Wing.

I'm especially proud of thinking of that last one.

The X-Wing is a one-man fighter which, though armed with torpedoes, countermeasures, etc. cannot use any of them in the game, has only a pair of rather weak laser cannons to use. Obviously far weaker than the Gunships that we saw destroying platoons of droids, mechs, rocketships, Battleship Cores, etc.

 

Even though the proposed gunship won't be quite that powerful, we should all realise that the currect Gunship is nothing like the canon gunship in any terms. Other than looks, anyway.

 

Jedi Starfighter is incredibly different to them both, but it's hardto compare the proposed gunship to it. It has a different role, different abilities, etc. etc.

 

Le moi? Retarded? Mesa not retarded... Mesa spake! Mesa Jaja binkz, anyway! .... okey-day, maybe mesa retarded.

Ok, if you all wish to come to my house, we could have this debate in person. 'Course, if you don't live in the wonderful land of Oz, that might be a trifle difficult...

 

I'm your mom? Oh! My long lost son! You've... uh... changed a bit. Little Johnny wasn't a Sith....

 

Edit: I just noticed your sig. Some more lovely tree-falling stuff:

 

"If a tree falls in the forest... I'll kill the bastard what done it!"

- Jaheira, Baldur's Gate character.

"If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody was around to hear it....

What colour was it?"

- Herman Toothrot, The Secret of Monkey Island.

[Darth Windu]

sithmaster - by 'negotiate' i was referring to one of your previous comments that indicated you would support changing the Gunship to represent its abilitesi better, as a cheat unit i believe.

 

Everyone - please do not turn this into a Jedi Starfighter vs Republic Gunship debate. They should BOTH be Republic Unique Units, and i would like to see a change to the Starfighter as well, giving it standard fighter weapons.

[Sithmaster_821]

Sorry if anyone missed me, vacation called and I answered.

 

In case anyone didnt notice, a quite dull forumer has made yet another poll on the gunship (what are we at now Darthie, 4?. I lost count). If anyone was wondering I voted for my suggestion that I've been championing since the hayday of this idea. Also, Windu, all of your gunship threads remind me of a saying that i heard: arguing over the internet is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win(or, in your case, lose) you're still retarded.

Mhmm.... problem is, we don't really represent what 'the community' wants. Sure, of the... 7 people who have voted, the majority want it as a UU (that would be you, me and somebody else) but we don't represent the majority of all GB CC players, let alone all people on this forum.

Somebody bless this child!

Either way the thing goes, at the moment, 75% of people surveyed want the gunship to reflect it's true abilities, wether its a cheat, a UU or a toybox unit. I would be happy with any of those three.

Yes, but the majority still dont want the gunship as a UU. Also, look at the poll now, the tribe has spoken, your idea isnt even the longest bar.

SW:GB 2 to be created

Ive got an idea, why dont they make a new RTS on their own engine and instead of having a different looking generic units, they can have different units for each civs so each unit can be representeted properly. And Windu will finally shut his trap because he will have a true blue gunship to cuddle at night. But there is no way to add the gunship it to the actual game as it stands now. Gameplay>Realism, remeber?

Jedi Starfighter to the X-wing, and then the Gunship to the X-wing

I did. The Starfighter is totally unique and the gunship,(in under the atmostsphere combat (most of SWGB) is an X-wing with different weapons. Do you actually think that all those clones in the movie were brought by the gunship? thats why they had troop landers, Windu.

Now I want to see some changes here! On the double!

Yes, mom!

Darth Windu=stupid

It's baaacccckkkk!!!!!!

although at least one (and i hope both) seem's willing to negotiate on the issue.

Im not willing to negotiate. are you simwiz? Traitor, its to the gullitine with you. Viva la Revolutione! (j/k) I know he was refering to me.

[DK_Viceroy]

The entire game needs to be rebalanced to make it more like the films giving additional Unique units to every civ like for the galctic empire needs the tie advanced X1 and a unique anti stealth technology of Jedi readers it's what the empire used when it instituted the Jedi purge it should also have it's air cruiser replaced by a star destroyer or Nebulon B frigate The rebel alliance chould Get B-Wings and have reduced trooper costs and a technology Called Undying Faith which would give them extra aromor plus 50 hitpoints and icreased range and more attack points. the wookies should lose sheilding upgrades for fighters and get a unique unit of Tree skimmer a transport that can carry 20 units is increadibly fast and looks like a flying log with a poithed ed with curved wings and should have a unique technology of Fierce Defence making workers twice as strong double hit points. the Royal Naboo should get a unique technology called Artisans which would Double worker build speed and get a uniqu unit of a Royal Defender an equivalent of an assault mech but stronger and cheaper but no ability to carry troops. the gungans should get a Faulmpaset transport able to carry 20 units very fast with mech destroyer type weapons the gungans should also get a trooper bonus against mechs and should have a unique technology of Bubble Wart Projectiles tripiling damgae done by all units to anything mechanicalthe Republic should lose sheilding and some of the aircraft techs because in the film their aircraft don't have sheilds and one of their disadvantages should be a slower fireing rate that is more powerful they should have a unique techology of Genetic Enhancement increasing accuracy of everything by 50 & and get exactly as it comes in the film what you are all arguing about the Gunship it should be 300 carbon and 300 ore build pretty slow carry 10 troops or 5 assault mechs it should have a slow firing rate but when it fires it can target multiple things .The Confederacy should have a Unique technology of Geonosian Intuition increasing accuracy of air craft to always a hit they should get all fighter upgrades but their fighters should build faster but still be more expensive they should get a unique unit of a Solar sailer A.K.A the Poonwoorca 112 Sloop that Dooku uses it should be a very powerful Transport capablke of Carrying 30 troops or 15 mechs be very fast and have good weapons.

[simwiz2]

Originally posted by DK_Viceroy

The entire game needs to be rebalanced to make it more like the films giving additional Unique units to every civ like for the

(1)galctic empire needs the tie advanced X1 and a unique anti stealth technology of Jedi readers it's what the empire used when it instituted the Jedi purge it should also have it's

(2)air cruiser replaced by a star destroyer or Nebulon B frigate

(3)The rebel alliance chould Get B-Wings and

(3b)have reduced trooper costs and a

(4)technology Called Undying Faith which would give them extra aromor plus 50 hitpoints and icreased range and more attack points.

(5)the wookies should lose sheilding upgrades for fighters and get a unique unit of Tree skimmer a transport that can carry 20 units is increadibly fast and looks like a flying log with a poithed ed with curved wings and should have a unique

(6)technology of Fierce Defence making workers twice as strong double hit points.

(7)the Royal Naboo should get a unique technology called Artisans which would Double worker build speed and get a

(8)uniqu unit of a Royal Defender an equivalent of an assault mech but stronger and cheaper but no ability to carry troops.

(9)the gungans should get a Faulmpaset transport able to carry 20 units very fast with mech destroyer type weapons the gungans should also get a

(10)trooper bonus against mechs and should have a unique technology of Bubble Wart Projectiles tripiling damgae done by all units to anything mechanicalthe

(11)Republic should lose sheilding and some of the aircraft techs because in the film their aircraft don't have sheilds and one of their

(12)disadvantages should be a slower fireing rate that is more powerful they should have a

(13)unique techology of Genetic Enhancement increasing accuracy of everything by 50 & and get exactly as it comes in the film what you are all arguing about

(14)the Gunship it should be 300 carbon and 300 ore build pretty slow carry 10 troops or 5 assault mechs it should have a slow firing rate but when it fires it can target multiple things

(15).The Confederacy should have a Unique technology of Geonosian Intuition increasing accuracy of air craft to always a hit

(16)they should get all fighter upgrades but their fighters should build faster but still be more expensive they should

(17)get a unique unit of a Solar sailer A.K.A the Poonwoorca 112 Sloop that Dooku uses it should be a very powerful Transport capablke of Carrying 30 troops or 15 mechs be very fast and have good weapons.

 

Okay, 99.9999% of this is so stupid that I don't even know where to begin. I guess I'll endure a few minutes of losing many brain cells to break up this post and warn people WHY nearly every idea in that post is completely idiotic. Thank god you're not a game designer. I still don't know WHY I am wasting my time quoting this mindless ramble and actually trying to form this pseudo-english into readable sentences so I can decipher what he is saying. Guess I want to avoid more stupidity from escaping to the boards.

 

1 - Why? Empire civ is good enough already.

 

2 - This is just a cosmetic change. Who the hell cares?

 

3 - Hope you can find a purpose for B-Wings, and do a better job than was done with the gunship.

3b - Reduced trooper costs? I sure hope you are thinking of what to take away to balance this...

 

4 - I sincerely hope this is not intended to go on top of the +30 hp they ALREADY get from advanced armor. +80 hitpoints for rebel troopers? What do you have against good games with good balance? Do you want super-rebel troopers to beat the AI on easiest with? Even +50 is completely rediculous.

 

5 - It will rediculously underpower the wookiee air in general, and don't even get me started on this wooden logskimmer or whatever it's called. Superfast and 20 troops? Treeskimmer rush anyone?

 

6 - I get the impression you dislike the wookiees and want to make them completely useless. They are losing their good air for a little extra worker defense! So when they are losing because they are useless, at least their workers will last a few seconds longer!

 

7 - Is there any reason whatsoever for this?

 

8 - I think that a uniqu unit that is stronger than an Assault Mech AND cheaper than it, would definately be difficult to balance. The lack of trooper-carrying ability will hardly depower it sufficiently.

 

9 - Thanks, Natopo! See what you started? Now everyone wants to make rediculously overpowered air units!

 

10 - Fine,guesstripilingIdamgaedoneanymechanicaltheunitsisan ideanottoobadof . (PS dont try to decipher this it's written in Viceroyian)

 

11 - And AT-AT's should be invincible to all but airspeeders, right? This game is a GAME and does not have to match the movie perfectly all the time. Republic has strong air in the movies anyway, which is why they have all the air upgrades.

 

12 - Well your lack of english composition skills makes this line difficult to comprehend, but I see absolutely no reason to have a slower fireeing rate that is more powerful or whatever you are trying to say.

 

13 - It will be another one of your damn useless techs. Wait a minute... republic is losing their good air just so the occasional repater trooper miss will only occur half as often, while the rebels get either 20 or 50 more hitpoints to their already strong troopers? Please do the world a favor and bang your head into a wall a few times, you could only get smarter.

 

14 - Sorry, but we DON'T NEED ANY MORE OVERPOWERED AIR CRUSIER SUGGESTIONS ON THIS BOARD. I have already seen enough of those from Windu.

 

15 - You know, fighters don't miss that often anyway. Useless tech! Next!

 

16 - So you want to overpower rebels and confederacy, and ruin republic but give them an overpowered air cruiser to compensate?

 

17 - Are you by any chance a double login of Natapo? He had a similarly idiotic idea on another of the Gunship threads (hard to remember which one). HERE'S A LITTLE HINT TO ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE OUT THERE: SUPER-FAST HIGH-HP HIGH-CAPACITY TRANSPORTS WITH GOOD WEAPONS ARE OVERPOWERING. Like I said, thank god you are not a game designer.

[Kryllith]

Laugh, I thought DK_Viceroy wrote that as a joke... I certainly hope he wasn't serious.

 

Kryllith

[simwiz2]

No, it was definately serious. It was very specific, and was far too long to just be a joke IMO.