mez1109 Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Like I said before ET Warrior, if GL publishes that Palpetine is sidious I accept. Palpatine instituted a military build-up unprecedented in galactic history. He created the New Order, a Galactic Empire that ruled by tyranny. The Jedi Knights, his biggest threat, were extinguished by his greatest dark side pupil: Anakin Skywalker, who had become Darth Vader. So if the above quote is really true (not that I don't trust you, and I don't believe you're capable of forgery), fair enough, Palpetine and Sidious are one and the same person. Still......Yep, here comes another question...... Why is Palpetine/Sidious not detected by the Jedi, and please no dark side clouds the mind crap, Yoda is much stronger in the force, and can not be tricked so easily, he probaly head-butt Sidious in the balls with no problem. Jedi can not notice a Clone Army being made, but they can sense the disturbance in the force when the Sith is right infront of their face, even Luke noticed it when POWERFUL Darth Vader was near or the Sith lord himself, maybe GL just fergot, lets not pick on small mistakes, as GL can easily cover them with a new force power or something. By the way ET Warrior, nice pictures, I just wonder why sidious aged so badly, the man turnes greyish/white, like a vampire, probably because of his prolonging life, but is he that old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Ever consider the fact that the only time they can detect a Force user is when that person is actually using the Force, regardless of their level of power? Afterall, Vader was chasing Luke in the trench of the Death Star, but the only point in which he seemed to recognize Luke's power was when Luke started listening to Obiwan... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 You must also remember that for 1000 years the sith have been in hiding, not even Yoda was around when the sith were in abundance. So even if they could sense the sith, they might not know that is what they are sensing. Coruscant has a population of billions and the force is generated by all life forms. So it is probably easier for a sith to hide on Coruscant. In the star wars book 'cloak of deception' (which is set before Ep I) Qui-Gonn says that - on many worlds the force was a gentle murmur, on coruscant it was a howl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Here is another quote straight from Starwars.com The dark side, for all its power, is ultimately hard to detect when required. A shadowy master like Darth Sidious was able to keep his presence a secret, even when sharing a world with the Jedi Temple. http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/thesith/index.html There's the website, so you can check it. The quote itself is the second to last paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 a world with the temple, exactly, they are on the world of coruscant, qui-gon was able to sense anakin on tatooine, he wasn't using the force, vader and luke sensed each other when going to endor, neither were using the force, i'm saying, that if palpatine and sidious are the same person palpatine/sidious could not have stayed in the presence of the jedi as long as he did, anakin would've been able to sense him if not yoda, since he is the chosen one, but, until GL or one of his many character creators says that palpatine and sidious are the same person i will be on pessimistic(sp?) side, now if someone says the tusken raider camp should've gone into more detail then yes, i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 Well, I agree with everything you just said.. about the tusken raider camp. As for sidious/palpatine, I can't see any other possibility. Everthing points to the fact that they are the same person. There would have to be one hell of a twist if it turned out that they weren't. Answering the question why sidious aged so badly, here's another quote from starwars.com, The dark side energies flowing through Palpatine's body were so intense, that they ravaged his mortal frame. The very source of Palpatine's strength was killing him. To counter the dark side's consumption, Palpatine turned to a bizarre combination of technology and Sith magic. Palpatine used Spaarti cloning cylinders to create a store of younger bodies, and employed an ancient Sith technique to transfer his consciousness into a waiting clone. Thus, Palpatine could avoid death indefinitely -- as long as his supply of clones remained intact. He would change his form again and again, prolonging his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 they were talking about emperor palpatine, not supreme chancellor palpatine, and where did the part with the clones come from? EU? if so, then don't bring that into an argument about the movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted August 11, 2002 Share Posted August 11, 2002 supreme chancellor palpatine declares himself emperor after the downfall of the republic and becomes emperor palpatine. The quote came from http://www.starwars.com and I used it to answer mez1109's question to why palpatine went from looking like dr.who to looking like Skeletor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 12, 2002 Share Posted August 12, 2002 If jedi can sense sith and other jedi when they are on the same planet, as you are saying anakin, then the jedi would have already found and killed darth sidious, because we have never seen him off of coruscant. Everything that has been said/written about the sith that is canon and not EU says specifically that the darkside is hidden, elusive. A quote from yoda in episode 1 "Hard to see, the dark side is" The Jedi cannot sense that palpatine is a sith lord because by their nature the sith are sneaky and elusive, and difficult to sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted August 13, 2002 Share Posted August 13, 2002 I don't know for sure that Qui-Gon did sense Anakin's powers right off the bat... then he heard that Anakin was a podracer... and as you might've noticed, there are very few human podracers (let alone little prepubescent humans)... Qui-Gon gets to thinking that maybe Anakin's getting his quick reflexes from the Force, and then goes to Obi-Wan with Ani's bloodsample to get confirmation. Then Qui-Gon starts treating Ani like a Force-adapt ("Feel, don't think--act on instinct."). And Qui-Gon didn't sense Darth Maul on Tatooine. The reason they were running was that Qui-Gon sensed one of Maul's probe droid, sliced it with his lightsaber and got a weird "living-Force" vibe off of it (Episode I cutscene). Maul was counting on surprise on Tatooine, he was going to run down Ani and Qui-Gon, but then Anakin started whining and Qui-Gon glanced back to check on him and low and behold, there's a speeder bearing down on them. And Yoda is suspicious of Palpatine... when Palpatine told Queen Amidala "The thought of losing you is inbearable", Yoda gives him this look like he knows Palpatine's BSing them. But now there's a war on! We've gotta forget all about what the leader of the free galaxy is doing and concentrate on fighting the bad guys (hey, it works in America, right?). Yoda doesn't trust Palpatine, doesn't like him, and doesn't know why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted August 13, 2002 Share Posted August 13, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk And Qui-Gon didn't sense Darth Maul on Tatooine. The reason they were running was that Qui-Gon sensed one of Maul's probe droid, sliced it with his lightsaber and got a weird "living-Force" vibe off of it (Episode I cutscene). Maul was counting on surprise on Tatooine, he was going to run down Ani and Qui-Gon, but then Anakin started whining and Qui-Gon glanced back to check on him and low and behold, there's a speeder bearing down on them. Yeah, I hate the fact that they cut out the scene where Qui-gon and Anakin discover the probe droid. Without it, the movies gives a "why the heck are the running for when they could just walk to the ship?" feeling. They should have least put it into the extended movie on the DVD (not just as a cut scene) so the movie would make more sense. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 13, 2002 Share Posted August 13, 2002 I agree, i wanted that scene put back in the movie. And once again, Jedi Monk has a wonderful post that explains everything wonderfully. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 We're getting ready to go out of town for the weekend, both TVs are unplugged and to entertain myself, I popped the SW1 DVD into my computer and switched on the audio commentary. Here's a direct quote from George Lucas during the scene where we first see Darth Sidious giving his instructions to the Niemoidians: "Introducing Darth Sidious as a hologram was the way he was introduced, actually, in Empire Strikes Back, which was the first time we actually saw him in the first three films." ~George Lucas So there you have it. Darth Sidious is the Emperor and the Emperor is Palpatine and therefore, Sidious is Palpatine. Confirmation, straight from Lucas' mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Yes!!! Way to go JediMonk.....finally, complete and total proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 It still wont be enough, trust me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy_Of_Sith Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Thank you Jedi monk for being a voice of reason, along with others. I still can't believe that people don't think Sidious is Palpatine. We already have the facts spoon fed to us, all we have to do is chew and swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted August 18, 2002 Share Posted August 18, 2002 Same here. I bet they'll still complain after Ep III by saying something like it didn't show that they were diffrent. I guess there going to need written proof with GL signature. But then there probally going to say thats a forgery or that it's a clone of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted August 18, 2002 Share Posted August 18, 2002 people quit arguing a while ago, maybe they gave up, maybe they believe you, who knows, but no one's arguing anymore, so you're just badmouthing people for nothing anymore FEEL ASHAMED!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 18, 2002 Share Posted August 18, 2002 Not really, because there are still those out there that think palpatine and sideous are different people......they're just not talking anymore because their arguments get torn apart by people who really know star wars...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 There are some people who don't believe that the Nazi concentration camps during WWII ever existed. Try as you might you just can't convince people of things....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 I do feel ashamed! Not I don't feel ashamed! People will never let things go like Boba dying or like Elvis still being alive. That just natural. Thanks E T Warrior for having my back, and what you said was true. And what I said in my above post was humour that shouldn't be taken for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 i agree about the people who think boba lived, if they're so convinced he lived, i think they need to swallow an ant or fly or something an see if it escapes, no? ok i guess he died after all:p but just because people have their own opinions doesn't mean you have to bash them every chance you get, don't flame me saying "i wasn't bashing them every chance i got" but just let it be that people have their own opinions and i think we should drop this argument, or start a diff thread about it cuz this one was supposed to be r2 problems or somethin like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 We are just having our fun. We do believe Boba is in fact dead. I know that there are hardcore Boba fans that love to read his amazing stories in the EUverse. He is still alive in their minds. Thats fine. I dont mean to flame, and I dont think I do. Some people have to get a sense of humor:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin i agree about the people who think boba lived, if they're so convinced he lived, i think they need to swallow an ant or fly or something an see if it escapes, no? Find me an ant or a fly wearing battle armour with disintegration blasters some form of base as a coating (to counter the higher level of acid in my stomach) and imbue him with the intelligence and experience of a 40 year old bounty hunter and I'll swallow it whole and see what happens... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted August 19, 2002 Share Posted August 19, 2002 Originally posted by Kryllith Find me an ant or a fly wearing battle armour with disintegration blasters some form of base as a coating (to counter the higher level of acid in my stomach) and imbue him with the intelligence and experience of a 40 year old bounty hunter and I'll swallow it whole and see what happens... Kryllith The ant would die:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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