KMan Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 If you were refering to the Anarchy thread, it is obvious why it was closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradFu Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 Eets, when we discussed this yesterday, I thought you understood the problem, you seemed to agree at the time. What happened between then and now? You know that there have been problems with KMan as a moderator. The answer isn't to tell people to back off and respect him. The answer is for you to tell him to respect the community and the position. He shouldn't have to be told that, and I shouldn't have to suggest it to you. This forum has been improved in some ways, but with the one step forward, we've taken two steps back. It's up to the Administrators to police the moderators, all we users can do is register our complaints. This discussion does not belong in private, and it does not belong anywhere but here. This is a thread for openly discussing a problem with the Modeling forum. KMan isn't going to be reading it if we post it somewhere like Yoda's Swamp, and that would kill the point. I truly hope this doesn't get brushed off, because this forum is suffering, and if it continues, more and more people will leave. Some great modellers have already wandered a way, with more leaning that direction. The only thing thats going to save this forum is if someone with some authority actually gives a crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun II Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Originally posted by kman@polycount If you were refering to the Anarchy thread, it is obvious why it was closed. (SIGH) No, I am not referring to any specific thread. I am talking about your approach to moderation in this forum, in general. Stop playing games. I give you credit for being a person of average intelligence at the minimum. If you cannot see the issue at hand, then: 1. You are not willing to see it. 2. You are not capable of seeing it. In either case, perhaps a new moderator is needed. (And no, I am not volunteering). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eets Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Originally posted by BradFu Eets, when we discussed this yesterday, I thought you understood the problem, you seemed to agree at the time. What happened between then and now? You know that there have been problems with KMan as a moderator. The answer isn't to tell people to back off and respect him. The answer is for you to tell him to respect the community and the position. He shouldn't have to be told that, and I shouldn't have to suggest it to you. This forum has been improved in some ways, but with the one step forward, we've taken two steps back. It's up to the Administrators to police the moderators, all we users can do is Yoda's Swamp, and that would kill the point. I truly hope this doesn't get brushed off, because this forum is suffering, and if it register our complaints. This discussion does not belong in private, and it does not belong anywhere but here. This is a thread for openly discussing a problem with the Modeling forum. KMan isn't going to be reading it if we post it somewhere like continues, more and more people will leave. Some great modellers have already wandered a way, with more leaning that direction. The only thing thats going to save this forum is if someone with some authority actually gives a crap. Obviously you didn't notice that the part where I addressed Kman was about 2/4 larger than the part where I addressed everyone else. I'm not saying that Kman wasn't at fault, I'm not saying he shouldn't be dealt with, and I'm not saying that the regular forummers are full of crap. I'm not going to get in the middle of a forum "turf war", either. Clearly both of the parties involved here need to step back and examine how large a part these forums play in their lives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAIK HUAT Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 KMAN keeps shutting down my posts to ARCO. 1. the first post was i suppose a direct question to arco and nobody else, so basically it didnt belong in the forum, kman closed it (fair play...) but he also told me that i should e-mail him or pm him to get in contact. *So i scanned the forums for his name so i could pm him or find out his e-mail and i found nothing* EDITED In the end Kman agreed to help me filling in ARCOS place and also managed to get me Arcos e-mail, how nice I was too quick to judge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoX Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I am glad you brought this to everyones attention, i have noticed for the past couple of weeks how K-Man not only closes the thread but adds an insulting comment to the original poster. I wanted to say something but i'm just not elquant(i hope i spelled that right, too lazy to check) enough, I'm glad you did, because you are a prominent and well respected member of this forum. Editormg, you made some great points as well. That's all i have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matariel Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 jesus christ! all of you guys get a ****ing life!! bitching about kman for ****s sake! he closes threads that are pointless and shouldnt be in this forum (like this one in my opinion) follow the rules of the forum and theres no problem, post in the right place and theres no problem...dont follow the rules and dont post in the right place and you get a smart little comment from kman (which you DO deserve), and your thread promptly closed. Please, dont get ahead of your station here, kman was given responsibility over this forum, so respect it and we'll all get along. now, children its past your bedtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Inquisitor Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Originally posted by Matariel now, children its past your bedtime That would include you as well, I would think. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMan Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Originally posted by SAIK HUAT *So i scanned the forums for his name so i could pm him or find out his e-mail and i found nothing* 2.So I decided to post a general inquiry to the modding community for Arcos e-mail, which should belong in any related forum. K-man closed it just because it was in slight relation with the first post of mine. Let me straighten this one out- Obviously you didn't look hard enough. Maybe you could have tried the Emperor Palpatine, Yoda, or Darth Maul threads, as he worked on those, and I'm sure made numerous posts. And I suppose you don't check your PM's as I sent you his e-mail address right before I closed it. In case he does not want to have his e-mail address made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matariel Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 i agree with kman, he closed threads that contained silly questions that could've been answered by looking through some of the proper threads. This is a modelling forum, so only modelling threads should be here, all that other crap ('err...what this guys email?') just clutters up the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireHunterD Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I agree with kman and the others on this one. Get a ****!ng life an leave them alone. They're tired of listening to bickering, and so am I. Close this thread. It's beginning to sound like a bad track from a sucky band played on repeat a thousand times. It's time to pull the plug on this p.o.s.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreddsnott Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I don't see this as the end, unfortunately, but I would like to see this matter dealt with more privately, and the end results made apparent to the community. The only judgment of kman's that I take issue with is the Forum Guidelines vs. the description of the forum, as brought up by Eets. I think Eets has the right idea on a couple of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 BradFu's point is that KMan hasn't enforced rules where they should be and obviously playing favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Exar Kun Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 he missuses his power as moderater to not only closes the thread he doesn't have a connection . if he was president we would have impeacheed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradFu Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 Lets keep the personal comments and exclamations to a minimum. I'd rather not see this degenerate into a shouting/insulting match The point of this thread is to discuss problems and possible solutions (Despite the strongly-worded Subject). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAIK HUAT Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I deleted my nasty comment about asking kman to go back to polycount. I was too quick to judge kman and have now found myself working on the same team as kman on my latest project (yes the guard) This is how it now reads: KMAN keeps shutting down my posts to ARCO. 1. the first post was i suppose a direct question to arco and nobody else, so basically it didnt belong in the forum, kman closed it (fair play...) but he also told me that i should e-mail him or pm him to get in contact. *So i scanned the forums for his name so i could pm him or find out his e-mail and i found nothing* EDITED In the end Kman agreed to help me filling in ARCOS place and also managed to get me Arcos e-mail, how nice I was too quick to judge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreddsnott Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 A noble gesture indeed, Saik Huat. I hope this whole thing can get resolved without any seppuku or hara kiri...although a couple of odd characters are performing kamikaze on this poor thread! Heehee, that was horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 If all of you people took the energy for posting in this stupid thread and used it more wisely, YOU COULD HAVE SOLVED THE INTIRE ANAMATIONS PROBLEM BY NOW!!!!!!! Kor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapSlash Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I have to admit, kman hasn't been on my good side in the past, from even before he was an admin. I've never thought much of his demeaning attitude towards others, and when he became a moderator I felt sick to my stomach. But, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and said nothing. As the next few weeks passed I saw many threads closed, some, in my opinion, rather unjustly. But seeing as he had been an admin. for only a short time, I still withheld my opinions. Lately though I've seen some threads by first time posters closed with rather inappropriate comments added to them by Kman, and others deleted entirely. Now, I believe in rules and their enforcement, but not at the expense of the community. In my mind it's the moderators duty to keep things from getting out of hand, not keeping them in line. For those of you who believe that this topic doesn't belong in this forum, take a look at the skinning forum. It's been turned into a desolate wasteland of help starved novices. The forum now only gets about 10 posts a day, about 1/3 of which end up in closed threads, and there is never any more than 3-5 people on at any given time. It's slow demise is mainly due to the more experienced skinners moving on, and the less experienced being unable to find the help they need. The fledgling skinners without any other guidance seem to have proclaimed me a god, or so I've been told,... While I don't necessarily agree with them, the compliments are nice. It's lonely over there,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBell Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Amen to Hapslash ! all bow before the mighty god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmacoolant Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Hapslash definitely took the thoughts right out of my head, I have had 100% the same reaction, but also have said nothing. I had considered informing my hosts at jkii.net about my concerns but later dismissed the idea because my purpose on the forums is to learn from the community and have fun with the creativity we all want to put into the community, not create friction within it. The most frustrating thing is when you see one of those comments on someone's post - you become annoyed because of the uncivil nature of the comment - you look down for the post reply button to speak your mind and BAM it has been closed. Although I post infrequently I read most posts regularly and the skinning forum is definitely a lot less populated than when I first started frequenting the forums. I believe this is in part due to the moderating. I think BradFu's original point is valid and was necessary in initiating this discussion and allow those who have concerns to give their opinion. I don't think anyone has a problem with BS posts being deleted but KMan definitely has the last word way too often. -Plas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funny_dude0 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I think this thread has gone on long enough. It is either time for Kman to admit to his mistake/s sincerely, or BradFu you should take the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cROsIs** Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 CLOSE THIS THREAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Exar Kun Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Originally posted by cROsIs** CLOSE THIS THREAD That is how this whole big mess got started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Bakr' Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Kman, I'm just going to lay it all out. In all of your replies to my threads and posts, you have been somewhat condescending, which is only magnified by your comment of "just to show I am the better man...". The thread I believe we are all talking about is the one started by PIo Koon. That was an appropriate thread and what you did was not appropriate. IMO, it was abusing your power. Go ahead flame me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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