Redwing Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Let's talk about Rogue Nine's insults. Let's talk about them in a very specific and personal way. It is worth noting at the outset that if I recall correctly, I have traveled the length and breadth of these forums and talked with the best people. I can therefore assure you that Rogue Nine is living in a dream world. To cap that off, if you were to tell Rogue Nine that this is an exceptionally convincing illustration of the power wielded by Rogue Nine and of the destructive way in which he uses that power, he'd just pull his security blanket a little tighter around himself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world. Rogue Nine refers to a variety of things using the word "suck". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, he's saying that alarmism is the key to world peace. At any rate, he does not merely lay the foundation for some serious mischief. He does so consciously, deliberately, willfully, and methodically. To enter into philosophic disputations with such churlish (or at least, vile) goofballs is both squalid and drugged-out. I want to convince the admins to clamp down hard on Rogue Nine's utterances. But first, let me pose an abstract question. Whatever happened to community standards? This can be answered most easily by stating that if we don't appeal not to the contented and satisfied, but embrace those tormented by suffering, those without peace, the unhappy and the discontented right now, then Rogue Nine's threats will soon start to metastasize until they call for ritualistic invocations of needlessly formal rules. I am reminded of the quote, "He appears to have a problem with common sense and logic." This comment is not as jackbooted as it seems, because from secret-handshake forums meeting at "the usual place" to back-door admissions committees, Rogue Nine has always found a way to incite pogroms, purges, and other mayhem. How can Rogue Nine live with himself, knowing that we must not miss our chance to suggest the kind of politics and policies that are needed to restore good sense to this important debate? The answer is not obvious, because he needs some serious professional help. Yes, I could add that he can't control his desire to have everything he wants and to have it now, but I wanted to keep my message simple and direct. I didn't want to distract you from the main thrust of my message, which is that Rogue Nine may be reasonably cunning with words. However, he is utterly soporific with everything else. I and Rogue Nine part company when it comes to the issue of fetishism. He feels that it is pigheaded to question his hastily mounted campaigns, while I believe that what I just wrote is not based on merely a single experience or anecdote. Rather, it is based upon the wisdom of accumulated posts, spanning multiple forums, and proven by the fact that if he thinks that he can make me burst into tears, then he's barking up the wrong tree. I'm willing to accept that Rogue Nine's peons are merely liars with charisma. I'm even willing to accept that he trumpets sex-crazed neopaganism laced with lewd Pyrrhonism. But he pompously claims that human life is expendable. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Rogue Nine says that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that his sermons won't be used for political retribution. I'm sorry if I've gotten a little off track here, but he is trying to declare that he can change his stinking ways. His mission? To use cheap, intemperate propaganda to arouse the passions of the worst sorts of rapacious bums there are. I won't lie to you; we find among narrow and uneducated minds the belief that mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues. This belief is due to a basic confusion, which can be cleared up simply by stating that we were put on this forum to be active, to struggle, and to get Rogue Nine off our back. We were not put here to create an atmosphere that may temporarily energize or exhilarate, but which, at the same time, will pose the gravest of human threats, as Rogue Nine might insist. Having said that, let me add that like other socially inept dipsomaniacs, he has a finely honed ability to turn back the clock and repeal all the civil rights and anti-discrimination legislation now on the books. But you knew that already. So let me add that he is careless with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems to show a sort of pride in his own biases, gets into all sorts of feral speculation, and then makes no effort to test out his speculations -- and that's just the short list! Some people have compared selfish stirrers to audacious enemies of the people. I would like to take the comparison one step further. How can we trust Rogue Nine if he doesn't trust us? We can't. And besides, he and I disagree about our civic duties. I maintain that we must do our utmost to prescribe a course of action as expeditiously as possible. Rogue Nine, on the other hand, believes that we should avoid personal responsibility. Where does the line get drawn? One thing is certain: There are some pestilential deadheads who are infernal. There are also some who are out-of-touch. Which category does Rogue Nine fall into? If the question overwhelms you, I suggest you check "both". As for the lies and exaggerations, his attempts to cater to the basest instincts of demonic lounge lizards are much worse than mere jujuism. They are hurtful, malicious, criminal behavior and deserve nothing less than our collective condemnation. Oddly enough, there's a contradiction between Rogue Nine's simultaneous condemnation of warped rubes and his imposition of snotty, inarticulate alcoholism. Stranger still, Rogue Nine has been deluding people into believing that we're supposed to shut up and smile when he says unconscionable things. Don't let him delude you, too. In this land which has befriended meddlesome proletariats, he has conspired, plotted, undermined, prostituted, and corrupted, and -- hiding to this hour behind the braver screen of boisterous rascals -- dares to contrive and scheme the death of every principle that has protected him. Because of his subliminal psywar campaigns, our schools simply do not teach the basics anymore. Instead, they preach the theology of baleful, superficial communism. Is that such a difficult concept? Believe it or not, Rogue Nine will probably never understand why he scares me so much. And he doubtlessly does scare me: His statements are scary, his tirades are scary, and most of all, I oppose his insinuations because they are gormless. I oppose them because they are soulless. And I oppose them because they will borrow money and spend it on programs that inspire a recrudescence of snooty fatuity by the next full moon. He wants to get me thrown in jail. He can't cite a specific statute that I've violated, but he does believe that there must be some statute. This tells me that Rogue Nine is a psychologically defective person. He's what the psychiatrists call a constitutional psychopath or a sociopath. It is similarly noteworthy that he is extraordinarily brazen. We've all known that for a long time. However, Rogue Nine's willingness to expose and neutralize his enemies rather than sit at the same table and negotiate sets a new record for brazenness. To bring the matter closer to home, let me remind you that I want nothing more -- or less -- than to advance a clear, credible, and effective vision for dealing with our present dilemma and its most repressive manifestations. To that task I have consecrated my life, and I invite you to do likewise. We must insist on a policy of zero tolerance toward emotionalism. If we fail in this, we are not failing someone else; we are not disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is we who suffer when we neglect to observe that all of the bad things that are currently going on are a symptom of Rogue Nine's bumptious, wishy-washy pronouncements. They are not a cause; they are an effect. Even without the bookish ideology of jingoism in the picture, we can still say that all Rogue Nine really wants is to hang onto the perks he's getting from the system. That's all he really cares about. Although he obviously hates my guts (and probably yours, as well), his inconsiderate pranks are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of interventionism are blooming all around us. Anyway, that's it for this letter. Let Rogue Nine read it and weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Found this, have you? EDIT: Ah, I guess I should have clicked your links first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Well I'm assured that through that article you went on to tell us that you're disgusted by Rogue9, but ugh...some of those words are a little too big for my...uh..."taste". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Uh I lost in like,uh the third paragraph. Are you really mad at Rouge Nine or is this just a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clefo Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 All too often, some people attempt to make an argument by attacking and insulting those who hold opposing views. Redwing's flimflams are a perfect example. For the sake of review, Redwing's idea of sappy autism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a self-pitying blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a grotty and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a stentorian frenzy and then prompts them to subject us to the short-sighted yapping of moonstruck ingrates. If we let him call for ritualistic invocations of needlessly formal rules, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. A final word: It requires surprisingly little imagination to envision a future in which Redwing is free to prevent people from thinking and visualizing beyond an increasingly psychologically caged existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camus Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 um... I dont really understand... Rouge Nine gives you a hard time and you dont like it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 (If you are being about this serious Red and not joking) You're kinda right...now that I'm going through some of these threadys I see what yer taking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Well red(assuming that you were serious), can you sum up what you have against rogue9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Red, I could have killed you... *is hit with a huge fit of the giggles* That was very, very good. But ultimately, there is still only one conclusion. You suck. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Oh i get it, haha. Joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Well that's a waste of a thread...yeah you really do suck Red... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 'Twas good for a laugh. Funniest thing I've read in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue9 Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 I would like to point out yet again that I am not the Same person as Rogue Nine, and his name did not influence my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue9 Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 I'm sorry, but I just can't avoid talking about Redwing. First things first: Seeking to block streets and traffic to the extent that ambulances can't get through is a hallmark of a totalitarian regime. I mean, think about it. Whenever Redwing gives a speech, it is always careful to sidestep the issue of how the most obnoxious Machiavellians you'll ever see simply pass through this world sowing the seeds of evil. Well, that's getting away from my main topic, which is that Redwing seeks scapegoats for its own shortcomings by blaming the easiest target it can find, that is, uncivilized ex-cons. While I know very little about insensitive, dishonest louts, I do know that if you read Redwing's writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. But if you read its writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that it says that society is screaming for its sound bites. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. Two quick comments: 1) It would be impossible, even between the covers of a thousand volumes, to list and describe all of the nerdy things that Redwing has done, and 2) whenever anyone states the obvious -- that the outcome of the struggle will ultimately be decided based on the number and influence of people fully informed about its epithets, committed to its defeat, and organized under sound leadership -- discussion naturally progresses towards the question, "What will be the next object of attack from its camp?" People often ask me that question. It's a difficult question to answer, however, because the querist generally wants a simple, concise answer. He doesn't want to hear a long, drawn-out explanation about how Redwing and I disagree about our civic duties. I insist that we must do our utmost to establish clear, justifiable definitions of factionalism and plagiarism, so that you can defend a decision to take action when its buddies tell everyone else what to do as expeditiously as possible. Redwing, on the other hand, believes that it is forward-looking, open-minded, and creative. I don't need to tell you that Redwing is trying to oppress, segregate, and punish others just to prove it can. That should be self-evident. What is less evident is that it's easy to tell if it is lying. If its lips are moving, it's lying. Redwing's philippics occasionally differ in terms of how intemperate can they are, but generally share one fundamental tendency: They deploy enormous resources in a war of attrition against helpless citizens. I sometimes joke about how I have been a veritable oasis of civility in the present debate. But seriously, the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to protect our peace, privacy, and safety? Redwing's pranks may not be traditional for all shameless spivs, but Redwing is driving me nuts. I can't take it anymore! I shall not argue that Redwing's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of its plan to scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties. Read them and see for yourself. Redwing is hooked on designer victimology but fails to notice the real victims: the entire next generation. If Redwing is going to make an emotional appeal, then it should also include a rational argument. Not to belabor the point, but I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wilderness -- not in a dark, eccentric world run by pathetic nitwits. Redwing's "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude is callow, because it leaves no room for compromise. By now, the reader has discerned that Redwing is out of control and must be stopped. So let me just add that someone has been giving its brain a very thorough washing, and now Redwing is trying to do the same to us. Even without the inane ideology of vandalism in the picture, we can still say that Redwing's Ponzi schemes symbolize lawlessness, violence, and misguided rebellion -- extreme liberty for a few, even if the rest of us lose more than a little freedom. It's amazing how low Redwing will stoop to condemn innocent people to death. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that its flimflams will send us to hell in a handbasket in a lustrum or two. That's clear. But I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that it has convinced a lot of people that we can all live together happily without laws, like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune. One must pause in admiration at this triumph of media manipulation. Alright, enough of that. Now let's talk about something else. Let's talk about how I am getting rather tired of sweeping up after repeated Redwing fiascoes. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I'll tell you what we need to do about all the craziness it is mongering. We need to reveal some shocking facts about its remonstrations. I correctly predicted that Redwing would monopolize the press. Alas, I didn't think it'd do that so effectively -- or so soon. I have no idea why Redwing makes such a big fuss over careerism. There are far more pressing issues that present themselves and that should be discussed, debated, and solved -- issues such as war, famine, poverty, and homelessness. There is also the lesser issue that I must ask that Redwing's operatives allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Redwing. I know they'll never do that, so here's an alternate proposal: They should, at the very least, back off and quit trying to make our lives an endless treadmill of government interferences while providing few real benefits to our health and happiness. Maybe Redwing has a reason for acting the way it does, but I doubt it. It has been said that Redwing's virtue and brains are inversely proportionate to its vices and the size of its mouth. I, in turn, maintain that Redwing's lickspittles explain everything through the lens of Redwing's naive and ideologically loaded exegeses. But there's the rub; I cannot promise not to be angry at Redwing. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads Redwing -- to rewrite history to reflect or magnify an imaginary "victimhood". Let me be clear. Redwing's latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. By framing the question in this way, we see that there is still hope for our society, real hope -- not the false sense of hope that comes from the mouths of pathological pickpockets, but the hope that makes you eager to put an end to its evildoing. Certain facts are clear. For instance, Redwing keeps telling us that newspapers should report only on items it agrees with. Are we also supposed to believe that it is the ultimate authority on what's right and what's wrong? I didn't think so. I could go on and on about Redwing's special form of heathenism, but you get the general idea. What this underlines, I think, is that we must remove our chains and move towards the light. (In case you didn't understand that analogy, the chains symbolize Redwing's callous, short-sighted ebullitions, and the light represents the goal of getting all of us to treat the disease, not the symptoms.) If the left of the current political spectrum is blasphemous extremism, and the right is brown-nosing faddism, then Redwing's politics are sincerely going to be a form of scornful, effete chauvinism. Perhaps Redwing has never had to take a stand and fight for something as critical as our right to detail the specific steps and objectives needed to thwart its depraved schemes. But it has recently been going around claiming that its memoirs are our final line of defense against tyrrany. You really have to tie your brain in knots to be gullible enough to believe that junk. Redwing wants to deflect attention from its unwillingness to support policies that benefit the average citizen. Such intolerance is felt by all people, from every background. Let's be frank: Some time ago, in the aftermath of Redwing's last volley of attacks, a group of sinful doomsday prophets began to play on people's conscious and unconscious belief structures. Its forces probably don't realize that, because it's not mentioned in the funny papers or in the movies. Nevertheless, if you were to tell Redwing that one could make a strong argument that its legatees have cooperated closely with sadistic anthropophagi on several projects, it'd just pull its security blanket a little tighter around itself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world. Redwing's politics may sound comfortable and simple, but it must not be forgotten that Redwing hates it when you say that its hatred knows no bounds. It really hates it when you say that. Try saying that to it sometime, if you have a thick skin and don't mind having it shriek insults at you. Alas, Redwing's faculty for deception is so far above anyone else's, it really must be considered different in kind as well as in degree. That's all I'm going to say in this letter, because if I were to write everything I want to write, I'd be here all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Ice Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 It's clear TDX is quite lazy when it come to typing out the word "Nine" so he chose to use the number. I doubt he had mistaken you for Niner. If you're worried that newcomers to the board won't know this, forget about them no one gives a crap about them. Edit: Geez, not you too. I don't have time to read ten paragraphs of bullplop. BULLPLOP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted August 17, 2002 Author Share Posted August 17, 2002 Originally posted by Cal_da_Darth (If you are being about this serious Red and not joking) You're kinda right...now that I'm going through some of these threadys I see what yer taking about... ROFL Well I have a few things to say about you too... There are people I decidedly despise. They lack morals, character, and honesty. They biologically or psychologically engineer the worst classes of indelicate rubes I've ever seen to make them even more testy than they already are. In case you can't tell, I'm talking about Cal_da_Darth here. I urge you to read the text that follows carefully, keeping an open mind, from the beginning to the end, and without skipping around. I further recommend that you take breaks, as many of the facts presented will take time to digest. Okay, now it's time to offend a few people. Actually, I hope not to offend anyone, although it doesn't do us much good to become angry and wave our arms and shout about the evils of his exegeses in general terms. If we want other people to agree with us and join forces with us, then we must criticize his machinations publically for their formalistic categories, their spurious claims of neutrality, and their blindness to the abuse of private power. I don't know whether or not you've ever been physically present at a public demonstration by his legates, but let me tell you, they're pretty narrow-minded. The truth hurts, doesn't it, Cal_da_Darth? He favors obfuscation and deviousness above frankness. That said, let me continue. Someone needs to chastise him for not doing any research before spouting off. Who's going to do it? Cal_da_Darth? I think not. Cal_da_Darth has completely stepped off the deep end. And that's why I'm writing this letter; this is my manifesto, if you will, on how to keep our priorities in check. There's no way I can do that alone, and there's no way I can do it without first stating that if I said that he has the mandate of Heaven to give rise to the worst types of sanctimonious, xenophobic derelicts there are, I'd be a liar. But I'd be being thoroughly honest if I said that I can guarantee the readers of this letter that Cal_da_Darth doesn't believe in the right to free speech, except for people who agree with him. Sad, but true. And it'll only get worse if Cal_da_Darth finds a way to work both sides of the political fence. This state of affairs demands the direct assault on those simple-minded obiter dicta that seek to traduce and discredit everyone but tyrannical, nerdy monomaniacs. I'm not saying this to be laughable, but rather to explain that I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that Cal_da_Darth is up to, the more shocking things, things like how he wants to spread illaudable views. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but he uses vulgar language and makes obscene gestures at those whose opinions differ from his. The sooner he comes to grips with that reality, the better for all of us. Will his domineering, resentful understrappers twist the history, sociology, and anthropology disseminated by our mass media and in our children's textbooks? Only time will tell. Finally, this has been a good deal of reading, and unequivocally difficult reading at that. Still, I hope you walk away from it with the new knowledge that Cal_da_Darth's ignorance is matched only by his arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue9 Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 no he left out the space, somethign I did in my name, not merely replacing Nine with 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Okay, now it's getting silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Ice Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 It's not my fault he's to lazy to press the space bar... or too stupid to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Originally posted by Grand_Admiral_Ice It's clear TDX is quite lazy when it come to typing out the word "Nine" so he chose to use the number. I doubt he had mistaken you for Niner. If you're worried that newcomers to the board won't know this, forget about them no one gives a crap about them. Edit: Geez, not you too. I don't have time to read ten paragraphs of bullplop. BULLPLOP! Well no offense here but shut the hell up ice, why don't you come talk to me after you're done breast feeding and you start growing facial hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue9 Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 have we established what it takes to crash a thread with vbb yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted August 17, 2002 Author Share Posted August 17, 2002 Originally posted by Rogue9 I'm sorry, but I just can't avoid talking about Redwing. First things first: Seeking to block streets and traffic to the extent that ambulances can't get through is a hallmark of a totalitarian regime. I mean, think about it. Whenever Redwing gives a speech, it is always careful to sidestep the issue of how the most obnoxious Machiavellians you'll ever see simply pass through this world sowing the seeds of evil. Well, that's getting away from my main topic, which is that Redwing seeks scapegoats for its own shortcomings by blaming the easiest target it can find, that is, uncivilized ex-cons. While I know very little about insensitive, dishonest louts, I do know that if you read Redwing's writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. But if you read its writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that it says that society is screaming for its sound bites. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. Two quick comments: 1) It would be impossible, even between the covers of a thousand volumes, to list and describe all of the nerdy things that Redwing has done, and 2) whenever anyone states the obvious -- that the outcome of the struggle will ultimately be decided based on the number and influence of people fully informed about its epithets, committed to its defeat, and organized under sound leadership -- discussion naturally progresses towards the question, "What will be the next object of attack from its camp?" People often ask me that question. It's a difficult question to answer, however, because the querist generally wants a simple, concise answer. He doesn't want to hear a long, drawn-out explanation about how Redwing and I disagree about our civic duties. I insist that we must do our utmost to establish clear, justifiable definitions of factionalism and plagiarism, so that you can defend a decision to take action when its buddies tell everyone else what to do as expeditiously as possible. Redwing, on the other hand, believes that it is forward-looking, open-minded, and creative. I don't need to tell you that Redwing is trying to oppress, segregate, and punish others just to prove it can. That should be self-evident. What is less evident is that it's easy to tell if it is lying. If its lips are moving, it's lying. Redwing's philippics occasionally differ in terms of how intemperate can they are, but generally share one fundamental tendency: They deploy enormous resources in a war of attrition against helpless citizens. I sometimes joke about how I have been a veritable oasis of civility in the present debate. But seriously, the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to protect our peace, privacy, and safety? Redwing's pranks may not be traditional for all shameless spivs, but Redwing is driving me nuts. I can't take it anymore! I shall not argue that Redwing's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of its plan to scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties. Read them and see for yourself. Redwing is hooked on designer victimology but fails to notice the real victims: the entire next generation. If Redwing is going to make an emotional appeal, then it should also include a rational argument. Not to belabor the point, but I have a dream that my children will be able to live in a world filled with open spaces and beautiful wilderness -- not in a dark, eccentric world run by pathetic nitwits. Redwing's "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude is callow, because it leaves no room for compromise. By now, the reader has discerned that Redwing is out of control and must be stopped. So let me just add that someone has been giving its brain a very thorough washing, and now Redwing is trying to do the same to us. Even without the inane ideology of vandalism in the picture, we can still say that Redwing's Ponzi schemes symbolize lawlessness, violence, and misguided rebellion -- extreme liberty for a few, even if the rest of us lose more than a little freedom. It's amazing how low Redwing will stoop to condemn innocent people to death. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that its flimflams will send us to hell in a handbasket in a lustrum or two. That's clear. But I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that it has convinced a lot of people that we can all live together happily without laws, like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune. One must pause in admiration at this triumph of media manipulation. Alright, enough of that. Now let's talk about something else. Let's talk about how I am getting rather tired of sweeping up after repeated Redwing fiascoes. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I'll tell you what we need to do about all the craziness it is mongering. We need to reveal some shocking facts about its remonstrations. I correctly predicted that Redwing would monopolize the press. Alas, I didn't think it'd do that so effectively -- or so soon. I have no idea why Redwing makes such a big fuss over careerism. There are far more pressing issues that present themselves and that should be discussed, debated, and solved -- issues such as war, famine, poverty, and homelessness. There is also the lesser issue that I must ask that Redwing's operatives allay the concerns of the many people who have been harmed by Redwing. I know they'll never do that, so here's an alternate proposal: They should, at the very least, back off and quit trying to make our lives an endless treadmill of government interferences while providing few real benefits to our health and happiness. Maybe Redwing has a reason for acting the way it does, but I doubt it. It has been said that Redwing's virtue and brains are inversely proportionate to its vices and the size of its mouth. I, in turn, maintain that Redwing's lickspittles explain everything through the lens of Redwing's naive and ideologically loaded exegeses. But there's the rub; I cannot promise not to be angry at Redwing. I do promise, however, to try to keep my anger under control, to keep it from leading me -- as it leads Redwing -- to rewrite history to reflect or magnify an imaginary "victimhood". Let me be clear. Redwing's latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. By framing the question in this way, we see that there is still hope for our society, real hope -- not the false sense of hope that comes from the mouths of pathological pickpockets, but the hope that makes you eager to put an end to its evildoing. Certain facts are clear. For instance, Redwing keeps telling us that newspapers should report only on items it agrees with. Are we also supposed to believe that it is the ultimate authority on what's right and what's wrong? I didn't think so. I could go on and on about Redwing's special form of heathenism, but you get the general idea. What this underlines, I think, is that we must remove our chains and move towards the light. (In case you didn't understand that analogy, the chains symbolize Redwing's callous, short-sighted ebullitions, and the light represents the goal of getting all of us to treat the disease, not the symptoms.) If the left of the current political spectrum is blasphemous extremism, and the right is brown-nosing faddism, then Redwing's politics are sincerely going to be a form of scornful, effete chauvinism. Perhaps Redwing has never had to take a stand and fight for something as critical as our right to detail the specific steps and objectives needed to thwart its depraved schemes. But it has recently been going around claiming that its memoirs are our final line of defense against tyrrany. You really have to tie your brain in knots to be gullible enough to believe that junk. Redwing wants to deflect attention from its unwillingness to support policies that benefit the average citizen. Such intolerance is felt by all people, from every background. Let's be frank: Some time ago, in the aftermath of Redwing's last volley of attacks, a group of sinful doomsday prophets began to play on people's conscious and unconscious belief structures. Its forces probably don't realize that, because it's not mentioned in the funny papers or in the movies. Nevertheless, if you were to tell Redwing that one could make a strong argument that its legatees have cooperated closely with sadistic anthropophagi on several projects, it'd just pull its security blanket a little tighter around itself and refuse to come out and deal with the real world. Redwing's politics may sound comfortable and simple, but it must not be forgotten that Redwing hates it when you say that its hatred knows no bounds. It really hates it when you say that. Try saying that to it sometime, if you have a thick skin and don't mind having it shriek insults at you. Alas, Redwing's faculty for deception is so far above anyone else's, it really must be considered different in kind as well as in degree. That's all I'm going to say in this letter, because if I were to write everything I want to write, I'd be here all night. I am really at a loss for what to say in this letter, other than to convey my shock. What follows is the story of how Rogue9 can be so rich in the rhetoric of democracy and yet so poor in its implementation. With friends like him, who needs enemies? I mean, several things Rogue9 has said have brought me to the boiling point. The statement of his that made the strongest impression on me, however, was something to the effect of how space aliens are out to lay eggs in our innards or ooze their alien hell-slime all over us. The following is a preliminary attempt to establish some criteria for discussion of these complex issues. To begin with, the hour is late indeed. Fortunately, it's not yet too late to keep our courage up. Rogue9's cajoleries are like an enormous commercialism-spewing machine. We must begin dismantling that structure. We must put a monkey wrench in its gears. And we must cast a gimlet eye on Rogue9's ideals, because if we let Rogue9 quote me out of context, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. Might I suggest that he search for a hobby? It seems Rogue9 has entirely too much time on his hands, given how often he tries to generate alienation and withdrawal. As naive as his methods of interpretation are, failure to analyze the featherbrained -- and what one can term only nerdy -- underpinnings of his intimations will work both sides of the political fence. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that his notions are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, he should work with us, not step in at the eleventh hour and hog all the glory. More prosaically, it is more than a purely historical question to ask, "How did Rogue9's reign of terror start?" or even the more urgent question, "How might it end?". No, we must ask, "When Rogue9 looks in the mirror in the morning, does he see more than the same, deceitful face that all contumelious, churlish lackadaisical-types share?" The most appealing theory has to do with the way that his reinterpretations of historic events represent a backward step of hundreds of years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless darkness of death. If you don't think that as soon he takes us beyond the point of no return, the next thing we'll hear him say is, "Oops, made a mistake", then you've missed the whole point of this letter. Given what I know about snivelling jackanapes, I can say with confidence that Rogue9's compeers consider his wheelings and dealings a breath of fresh air. I, however, find them more like the fetid odor of collectivism. Even though supposedly distancing himself from the most sleazy quacks you'll ever see, Rogue9 has really not changed his spots at all. Isn't it interesting which questions he dodges and what tangents he goes off on? Those dodges and tangents make me think that he truly believes that revisionism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us. I hope you realize that that's just an audacious pipe dream from a misguided, nettlesome pipe, and that in the real world, the pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to hold Rogue9 responsible for the hatred he so furtively expresses? He wants to destroy everything beautiful and good. It gets better: He believes that if he kicks us in the teeth, we'll then lick his toes and beg for another kick. I guess no one's ever told him that he has never gotten ahead because of his hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of his successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue. A central fault line runs through each of Rogue9's tirades. Specifically, in order to convince us that those of us who oppose him would rather run than fight, Rogue9 often turns to the old propagandist trick of comparing results brought about by entirely dissimilar causes. Immoral sybarites generally insist that he has no intention to leave us in the lurch, but Rogue9's often-quoted hijinks belie this notion. Rogue9 seems incapable of understanding that his ballyhoos are a house of mirrors. How are we to find the opening that leads to freedom? The answer to this question gives the key not only to world history, but to all human culture. Here's some food for thought: There are few certainties in life. I have counted only three: death, taxes, and Rogue9 doing some power-hungry thing every few weeks. We'd all be in grave danger if he continued to engage in his asinine behavior. How can he live with himself, knowing that even smarmy crafty-types would think twice before sitting next to someone whose sole dream is to crush the will of all individuals who have expressed political and intellectual opposition to his opuscula? I can give you only my best estimate, made after long and anxious consideration, but I do not pose as an expert in these matters. I can say only that there is no such thing as evil in the abstract. It exists only in the evil deeds of evil people like Rogue9. After having read this, you may think that Rogue9 is more concerned with the social acceptability of an idea than with its truth or falsity. Nevertheless, you should always remember that we might be able to explain away many of his abysmal propositions as being merely the effect of bad drugs. 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Rogue Nine Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 If tensions run too high, I may have to shut this puppy down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Hm...like you said last night about Rogue15 Red, you can't say you know him because you've never met him...and you don't know me either...keep in mind these are only forums...and like you said, people talk different online. Now why you chose to pick all of us out of the crowd...I dunno...wow you really do need something better to do with your time. *sigh* Who cares. Later people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Admiral_Ice Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 He picked you because you didn't realize it was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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