Mafia_Jabba Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 whats wrong with porn? lol JK thats freedom of expression for you......anyway...... but u did bomb civillians and for want of a better word ..... terrorize them to get rid of the taliban .... so dont get all high and mighty with my mafia jabba Are we still argueing the fact that it was an acciedent. Ow I stubbed my good toe because I hate it I hate you toe. You must die! DIE TOE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 We're the 3rd densly populated country in the World, with India 2nd, and China 1st. I doubt India has a lot of people with internet access, of that as America, or China. Maybe Japan, but not China. A lot of our population, uses the internet daily, a lot of countries do, but considering our numbers, and population, we make a high vast majority of the web. 3 out of 5 people I meet on the net, are American. EDIT: Sorry for all the damn typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 the canadian and red cross bombings were accidents yes but if u blow up a whole country as u did in afghan ... u musta killed ALOT of civs ... i dont agree with that ... esp. seeing as the end wasnt even 1 that u intened ..... or for that matter 1 that couldnt have been done some other way neway this thread is getting out of hand .... as it always does when me n mafia are in a thread ... so im going to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 That is actually quite true SSO...a lot of people I know on this forum and others are from the US and Canada, hardly anyone from the UK...there are a few:)You know who you are:Dlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 26, 2002 Share Posted August 26, 2002 Luckily I live in North America, we get the stay up the latest (except the people that live in islands in the pacific ocean). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubatus Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by Kurgan If you are referring to some past experience of being persecuted for your belief system, I'm sorry to hear you were discriminated against. However, what "vast hypocritical majority" are you referring to? People in your neighborhood? Southern Baptists? Roman Catholics? Presbyterians? Methodists? Mormons? Liberal Christians? American Christians in general? The Christians in Libya? You're referring to a couple billion people there.... I'm not a believer of any religion and thus never been persecuted for that...where did you get that from? And I'm not referring to a subdivision of Christianity, I'm referring to masses of individuals. I said especially the hypocritical vast majority of Christianity because they are the ones around me living in a socalled Christian country. But taken all hypocritical religious people into account I'm sure I'm referring to a couple of billion people. USA citizens are just experts at flaunting it publicly. Every accomplishment motivated by greed, hunger for fame and egocentrical glory is contributed to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem america bombing innocents and their allies ..... and the red cross thats nothing new im afraid How are the Irish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Before this all turns into something academic, abstract, and nonsensical - I suggest you all let this load - listen and watch. Turn up your volume, and be prepared to sit and watch for awhile (it goes on long beyond the song's initial playing) - be patient - it's very meaningful: http://www.politicsandprotest.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 those firefighters are the most heroic guys of their time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurd Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 That's the true America - not the government foreign policies, the military, or the big business. The true victims were shown in that presentation - and the true heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafia_Jabba Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 i have goosebumps...goodnight ='( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Thanks for the flash video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal_da_Darth Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod Honestly? I don't care. Earth isn't even my home...I"m just living in a huge hotel (America) right now. I don't care of the hotel manager decides to put security locks on my door that requires key cards to open. Heaven's my home...and I'll always think of it that way. A christian are you? Now that's courage...especially to say that in forums like these. I'm a christian too, by the way. And ya know, thinking of heaven as your home kinda takes a LOT of weight off your shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
access_flux Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 i have to say that america did make a big deal out of the 9-11 attacks, because even though there were a lot of lives lost, there are terrrorist attacks almost evey week, in places like israel, ireland, and palestine. also the american were rather quick to point the blame, so..... i'm just a conspiracy theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
access_flux Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 i have to say that america did make a big deal out of the 9-11 attacks, because even though there were a lot of lives lost, there are terrrorist attacks almost evey week, in places like israel, ireland, and palestine. also the american were rather quick to point the blame, so..... i'm just a conspiracy theorist. ps. i'm not even going to start on the religion side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSO_DarthVader_ Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Amen to that RpHotRod. I'm indeed a Christian as well. My REAL home, is Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 yeah yeah yeah, all you foreign f*cks who think america is doing bad things? **** off, last time i checked we were the worlds leading super power, doesn't that mean we've been doing something right? yeah, have two giant ****in planes run into two of the biggest buildings in one of your biggest cities, **** loads of people die and you think we're gonna sit around and say **** it? you wouldn't, so shut up america is the greatest country in the world, it's been proven by all the immigrants who will risk EVERYTHING to get here, you don't see them hoppin barb wire fences to get to england do you? nah, didn't think so, people will do ANYTHING to get into this country so why is america bad again? oh wait, we're just as bad, if not BETTER than any of europe's countries not to mention ANY other country in the world, we didn't have to enter WW2 but we did and we thoroughly kicked ass, unlike all of the other allied countries, quote from a japanese leader after pearl harbor "i fear we have only awoken a sleeping giant" yes they did. why bomb pearl harbor we didn't do anything, but they made a BIG ****ing mistake, they provoked us and they got the wrath, well, it looks like the taliban provoked us this time, and if we can blow the **** out of the enemy and still help the innocents then how does that make us bad? our military NEVER fires unless fired upon, then we blow the **** out of people, if you guys want then go to war with us, i gurantee we'll win, we have the superior fire power and economy, i'll bet if america really wanted to we could conquer the world, but we're nice enough not to so don't bad mouth the States, cuz we're just one big ****ing well trained army and if we had to, could wipe out any opposing forces pretty damn fast now what other countries can say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 People who write **** all the time just don't get that their input to the discussion is nothingless lol... And if NSA/CIA did bomb the WTC...it wouldn't really be for control (well maybe so they could control middle east) but I think it would actually be to PROTECT the civil rights, and essentially the liberty that they stand for in the long run... If you think about it, that's how it turns out... however certain amount of control DID come with the bombing of the WTC... all the laws that have been put on hold to be dismissed, were passed just weeks after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 I'm not entirely sure what sort of civil rights have been taken away from us as americans. There were a few cases of people being hastily detained in the weeks and months following 9/11, but I suppose thats to be expected after something like that. Most of them were released, I believe. As for "Which country is better" I dont think there's an answer to that. I'm biased in favor of the US, mostly because I live there, but we dont have the rich history of many other nations. (Hey, we're young, c'mon.) I could also argue that we're the strongest super-power in the world. Someone might argue back that "thats only because you have a lot of money/srtong army." I guess thats sort of like syaing "You only beat me in a sabre-duel because you're a better sabre fighter than I am." Sorta dumb, really. Those two factors are important in deciding which is a stronger superpower. I believe America doesnt get the respect it deserves, and likewise Americans. A friend of mine went to France, and was spit on walking down the street, all because of her nationality. And yet it was France that we bailed out of the fire in WW2. Their country was completely overrun, and it was US reinforcements that stopped, then reversed Hitlers armies. A little gratefulness? No, we get spit on... Finally, back to the topic of this post: I really cant see the government knocking down the Twin Towers because it wanted more control to oppress people. The government is not a single entity who has good moods and bad moods, mean thoughts and nice thoughts. It's an organization of hundreds and thousands of people. The idea that something like this could be organized under government control (however clandestine) is a little hard to believe. I think some of you have been watching too much X-Files... ShockV1.89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin yeah yeah yeah, all you foreign f*cks who think america is doing bad things? **** off, last time i checked we were the worlds leading super power, doesn't that mean we've been doing something right? yeah, have two giant ****in planes run into two of the biggest buildings in one of your biggest cities, **** loads of people die and you think we're gonna sit around and say **** it? you wouldn't, so shut up america is the greatest country in the world, it's been proven by all the immigrants who will risk EVERYTHING to get here, you don't see them hoppin barb wire fences to get to england do you? nah, didn't think so, people will do ANYTHING to get into this country so why is america bad again? oh wait, we're just as bad, if not BETTER than any of europe's countries not to mention ANY other country in the world, we didn't have to enter WW2 but we did and we thoroughly kicked ass, unlike all of the other allied countries, quote from a japanese leader after pearl harbor "i fear we have only awoken a sleeping giant" yes they did. why bomb pearl harbor we didn't do anything, but they made a BIG ****ing mistake, they provoked us and they got the wrath, well, it looks like the taliban provoked us this time, and if we can blow the **** out of the enemy and still help the innocents then how does that make us bad? our military NEVER fires unless fired upon, then we blow the **** out of people, if you guys want then go to war with us, i gurantee we'll win, we have the superior fire power and economy, i'll bet if america really wanted to we could conquer the world, but we're nice enough not to so don't bad mouth the States, cuz we're just one big ****ing well trained army and if we had to, could wipe out any opposing forces pretty damn fast now what other countries can say that? lol thats the stupidest and funniest thing i've read all day.... thanks pity i may have to edit it... thats a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 I can picture Ep2 Annakin as a guy who has a crewcut and and sporting a muscle T with "America.....Love it or Leave it". All seriousness though. He went overkill. I don't buy into conspiracy theories, however I don't trust Government decisions. I personnally thought GW was a War monger before he got into the office. It's either dumb luck or fate that any of the "Bush" men get into office........war breaks out. Now there lies the real conspiracy. The only thing that will make me change my mind is if Bush really does track down Hussein and Bin Laden and somehow gets them out of power. These things will never happen in real life because there is big money in war. And these third world leaders never really die they usually live to be really old and pass away from sifilouse, or just up and dissapear like a fart in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Having a war when you get to in to office isn't a "conspiracy". I believe it's called, "working on a second term". Fighting terrorism is hard. Trying to stop a group of 100 to 200 men and women who have no homes, who roam the world, and are intent on destroying civilian targets using clandestine techniques, is very, very difficult. Finding one man who doesn't want to be found, and who hasn't wanted to be found for a decade or two, is very difficult. So, hopefully we can safely assume that fighting terrorism is hard. Now, with one statement=TRUE under our belts, we can go to the next part. If stopping a terrorist organization is as difficult as it appears to be, how do you stop them? Logistically. In fact, a simple military tactic, but in this case it is the only viable option. The tactic here being: cut off their support. The terrorist organization needs some sort of base for operations, however temporary. They need camps to train, safehouses, etc. So, in our scenario, the Taliban, in Afghanistan, is the support. That is why America attacks Afghanistan. They support Al Qeada (sp?), and in doing so recieve attacks from the US. In fact, the US stated their intentions before hand. And it's still a standing intention. Which is, if you harbor terrorists, America will attack your country. So, the Taliban decided to call Americas bluff. Sadly to find out that it was not a bluff. Now, if another country decides to harbor terrorists, they know fully the consequences should America find out. And if they so decline to harbor terrorists because they do not want America attacking them, well....the plan worked. One less country to harbor terrorists. If all countries have that attitude, then no place to harbor terrorists. If they do harbor terrorists, you attack and destroy until they decide to do otherwise. This all seems pretty cut and dry to me. I'm just laying it out for those crying about America fighting the Taliban. If you are crying just for the sake of crying, well, this isn't gonna change that. But for those un-informed who think America is being a bully here for no reason, this post should help you with that cranial-to-rectum problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin i love america, and i think right now my favorite american is colin powell, and yeah, all you ****in europeans need to quit badmouthin america, only we americans can do that, cuz we do more **** to ourselves than to you guys, we still help out poor countries when we're gettin attacked isnt it that you got attacked, so you attacked back big time, then started dropping food and help, long after youd been attacked... or are you talking about some other 'gettin attacked' that im not familiar with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin yeah yeah yeah, all you foreign f*cks who think america is doing bad things? **** off, last time i checked we were the worlds leading super power, doesn't that mean we've been doing something right? yeah, have two giant ****in planes run into two of the biggest buildings in one of your biggest cities, **** loads of people die and you think we're gonna sit around and say **** it? you wouldn't, so shut up america is the greatest country in the world, it's been proven by all the immigrants who will risk EVERYTHING to get here, you don't see them hoppin barb wire fences to get to england do you? nah, didn't think so, people will do ANYTHING to get into this country so why is america bad again? oh wait, we're just as bad, if not BETTER than any of europe's countries not to mention ANY other country in the world, we didn't have to enter WW2 but we did and we thoroughly kicked ass, unlike all of the other allied countries, quote from a japanese leader after pearl harbor "i fear we have only awoken a sleeping giant" yes they did. why bomb pearl harbor we didn't do anything, but they made a BIG ****ing mistake, they provoked us and they got the wrath, well, it looks like the taliban provoked us this time, and if we can blow the **** out of the enemy and still help the innocents then how does that make us bad? our military NEVER fires unless fired upon, then we blow the **** out of people, if you guys want then go to war with us, i gurantee we'll win, we have the superior fire power and economy, i'll bet if america really wanted to we could conquer the world, but we're nice enough not to so don't bad mouth the States, cuz we're just one big ****ing well trained army and if we had to, could wipe out any opposing forces pretty damn fast now what other countries can say that? 1 .... yes people will do practically nething to get into england ... including packing 30/40 people into a truck all the way ... (which they died trying i point out) 2 ... domination isnt greatness 3 no u couldnt dominate the world .... u may be the biggest country out there but if u started on us we'd pack together ... and then the world is DOOMED ... america wouldnt hesitate to use its nukes .... and thats the world and all the people gone u dont refrain from taking over the world cos ur nice ... u refrain cos it cant be done without destroying yerself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 I'll stick with the "stupidest" part..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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