Dagobahn Eagle Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 My heartfelt condolences go out to those left behind after 115 hostages died when police stormed the Moscow Theatre. Rest in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 I guess u must have been following my thread. Anyway... I also feel sad about this. It was enevitable however. Some hostages were gonna die one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jatt13 Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 yeah, that's true, but it's still sad. poor people. they were just inocent people caught in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted October 27, 2002 Author Share Posted October 27, 2002 Actually, if the gas had been non-lethal sleeping gas, 115 dead Russians would still be alive by now. Also, if the Russian Navy hadn't lied the whole time when Kursk, so would 118 Russians matrotski. (sailors) (grammar?) Actually, no, I've been following CNN.com. Truly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebastianSedlo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 i feel sorry for the hostages familys yeah.... BUT THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE RUSSIANS FOR BEING SO BLOODY STUPID!!! For Gods sakes!!! If i was the guy in charge of the rescue operation, which gas would i use? the sleeping gas you say? Noooo... lets use the POISONUS GAS instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle Actually, if the gas had been non-lethal sleeping gas, 115 dead Russians would still be alive by now. Also, if the Russian Navy hadn't lied the whole time when Kursk, so would 118 Russians matrotski. (sailors) (grammar?) Actually, no, I've been following CNN.com. Truly. Actaully, no, it's more like matrosee . Truly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadDoofer Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Actually, many were shot too, so only about 80 more would survive instead of 115. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted October 28, 2002 Author Share Posted October 28, 2002 Sebastian, I think the gas was supposed to be a sort of sleeping gas, like the US SWAT teams use, but that there was something wrong with it. Remember, this is the caring Democratic Commonwealth, NOT the evil Cold War USSR. The Russians are the good guys today, remember; No way they'd deliberately poison 100 people for busting some terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebastianSedlo Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 1) The gas used is thought to have been developed in the 50s for trench warfare. 2) Of the people that died in hospital, only 2 of them died of gunshot wounds, the rest cos' of the gas. 3) The Russians even now won't tell the doctors what gas it is they used!!!!!! (if they did, a lot more lives would be saved) Know you tell me if the Russians are the good guys!!!! Sebastian. (No effence ment to be caused) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygomaticus Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Originally posted by SebastianSedlo 1) The gas used is thought to have been developed in the 50s for trench warfare. 2) Of the people that died in hospital, only 2 of them died of gunshot wounds, the rest cos' of the gas. 3) The Russians even now won't tell the doctors what gas it is they used!!!!!! (if they did, a lot more lives would be saved) Know you tell me if the Russians are the good guys!!!! Sebastian. (No effence ment to be caused) what does that have to do with the russian's being good guys?...it was just a mistake they made with the gas, either wrongly selecting one, or a wrong judgement... good guys do make mistakes...costly mistakes at times too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Oh crap *gets ready for flame war* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted October 28, 2002 Author Share Posted October 28, 2002 (No [offense] ment to be caused) Well, seeing how I got pretty annoyed by that and I'm only a citizen of a neighbouring country of Russia.. I guess a Russian would have been TO'ed if he read that. Or maybe I'm just short-tempered. Saying the Russian police is the "bad guys" for messing up when rescuing the hostages is like saying that the passengers on Flight 93 on 9/11 (the plane where the hijackers were overthrown) are the bad guys because they couldn't save the plane from crashing! Or that the Taliban are the good guys and the Americans are the bad guys because the WTC couldn't handle planes hitting it (which they were supposed to be able to). Nobody posted "AMERICANS ARE SO DAMN STUPID" after 9/11, did they I can name one person who still suffers from the "Russians are bad guys because they were once part of the USSR"-syndrome. It's a shame. The Chechens are terrorists, which they just proved. The CIS state of Russia is fighting Terrorism exactly the same was as the USA is (Putin's last speech actually sounded an awful lot like Bush's 9/11 speech ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 I'm Russian.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 I think that it SUXS that the gas had such a bad affect on the people. I think they didn't tell the hospitals ahead of time just because they didn't want it to leak out that they were going to gas them. I think russia was just trying to send a message that they just don't **** around with terrorists. I'm glad they were able to save the lives that they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SebastianSedlo Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 I didn't mean it like that that, i ment that it was a bad mistake to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 It is very wrong that nearly all of them would have survived even if they had used normal sleeping gas. Because any sleeping gas would have, of course, made them sleep, and a good deal of them would for instant "sleep" with their tounges far down their throat, they don't get air, they die. Simple. Many of those at hospital are there because of severe brain damages caused by lack of oxygen. Also, a non-lethal sleeping gas may have not worked as efficently against the terrorists. You all know that the terrorists had a lot of explosived all around there wich could easily be set off, and it was very important for the security forces that none of the terrorists should have the chance to set this off, because then it would be 750 civillian casualties instead of 100. However, the gas was based on some narcotic thing, wich there is very efficent anti-dotes for. If they had had that ready at the hospitals, or even better, in the ambulances, then many of them would have survived. The biggest mistake of the security forces was not that they used a home-made gas, it was that they had not alarmed the hospitals before just a few minutes before it all happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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