Mike Tyson Vs. Bruce Lee

[Woodrodius]

Bruce Lee vs. Mike Tyson, who would win, and why? I put my money on Tyson. I respect the whole Bruce Lee martial arts thing, but I just don't think the legend that surrounds him could match up to real life. Look at the Lennox vs. Tyson fight, sure Tyson got beat, but he went 8 rounds, taking a horrible beating from Lennox, and even after he went down, he was up within minutes chatting. Without a glove on, the destructive power of Mike Tyson's punches would be unimaginable, very literally lethal. A full force punch from Tyson with no glove would easily disable Lee, if not kill him. So, the question is, could Bruce Lee dish out enough damage to Tyson to disable him, (I.E. As much as damage as Lewis did to him in 8 rounds), without being hit once. Now remember, since this is a street fight, Tyson also gets to forego the rules of boxing, and is free to grabble or do as he pleases. I think Bruce Lee, with all due respect, would be a grease stain by the time Tyson got through with him. I just cannot imagine Lee being able to do anything that could stop a 300 pound (or however much he weighs) psycho like Tyson before he could get in one blow, which is pretty much all it would take. What do guys think? And don't just be like, Bruce Lee, because he knows pressure points and would use his one inch burning dragon death fist. Give me good arguments. Alright, GO!

[Taos]

Bruce Lee......I just think the speed and moves he has would destroy Mike Tyson. He's also too fast for Tyson to try and bite off his ear!

[Woodrodius]

Bruce Lee is faster, but what is that going to get him, unless you mean he could probably outrun Tyson, which is one skill you may want to have whie fighting him. You say Lee is too fast for Tyson, explain what that entails. Do you think Lee could damage Mike so much that he would be unable to fight, before Mike could get a hit in. If so, explain how.

 

P.S. Also, if you vote, please post your opinion as to why you voted the way you did.

[JediNyt]

Duh Bruce Lee was one of if not the greatest martial artist in the world. He could kill anyone with one hit. Hes too fast, too smart, too strong, so many more moves than Tyson would ever think of, you name it. You ask about speed? Speed in moves and reflexess and the strength to back it up. Lee was the best, period.

[Woodrodius]

Your response has no backup. I want good arguments here, not, "Bruce Lee would unleash 1,000 burning dragons and blow Tyson's head off." Bruce Lee could kill anyone in one hit, where did you obtain this information. Are you guessing?

[leXX]

Fact is, we don't need to back it up with arguments. Bruce Lee was a martial artist and not just any martial artist but the best known to date. You simply cannot compare a boxer (who got his a$$ whopped by Lenox Lewis btw ) to Bruce Lee.

 

puuuuhhhhllleeeeeaaasssseeee

 

[Luc Solar]

I say that Karelin would tear Tyson apart. He is one touch sob!

 

One good hit is all it takes. If Lee kicks Tysons knee-caps into smithereens, that's just about it. A boxer who can't stand up = end of fight.

 

I'd like to see the Graycie's or other shoot-fighters try beating Karelin. Jiu-jitsu against a wrestler..now that would be interesting!

 

Oh yeah: I vote Lee! No wait: Tyson! No...Lee! Boxers only know how to use their hands.

I "fought" a boxer once and he was totally confused and helpless against kicks or sweeps and such.

 

But isn't this like one of those paper-scissors-rock-scenarios?

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Paper beats rock (that makes no sense btw!) but scissors beat paper even though they lose to the rock which gets pwned by paper easily...you know?

[Woodrodius]

Once again, a reply with no date to prove it. I think the legend of Bruce Lee has saturated some of you people, to the point where fact doesn't matter, He would simply win because he is Bruce Lee. If that is your opinion, I will respect it, so long as you can given me reason to validate your opinion. (I.E. facts) You guys keep saying that Bruce Lee was the greatest martial artist ever. Can you tell me why? I bet you can't.

[leXX]

I bet I can.

 

The skill you saw on screen was the skill he had in real life. If you have seen any documentaries or anything on Bruce Lee then you would know this. During filming once, he kicked a guy 20 feet. Now that is power. I know the essence of martial arts because I'm a black belt in karate and let me tell you this, you put any half decent martial artist up against any boxer and the martial artist will win every time. What has a boxer got? Hands. What has a martial artist got?

 

exactly

 

nuff said.

[Woodrodius]

Luc Solar,

 

Once again, im not arguing what style is stronger, that is pointless. There are no superior martial arts, only superior martial artists. Do I think Bruce Lee could of mopped the floor with a large cross-section of boxers? Of course. But had I asked, who would win, Mike Tyson vs Any Competent Jeet Kun Do student, most of you would be geared towards Tyson. (at least I should hope). It's Tyson's sheer destructive force, and ability to take punishment that would ultimately allow him to prevail over Lee. You say Lee would take out his kneecaps? How would he do this? The only thing that Lee could be concentrating on is not getting hit by Tyson. If Tyson charges, and Lee skips in for a lower leg attack, the angle of his leg would put Lee inside Tyson's punching range. Result, Tysons limping, Lee's head is all over the ground like a smashed pumpkin. What Lee would have to do is keep him outside Tyson's punching radius, using full length extension kicks such as side kicks, or completely staying on the outside. I am a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and an avid competetor in olympic style Tae Kwon Do sparring, and it has taught me a lot about danger zones, and staying outside the reaches of others. I believe if Lee were able to stay out of Tysons danger zone, he would be unable to attack Lee himself.

[leXX]

Why are you asking about Tyson anyway? Shouldn't you be asking about Lenox Lewis? He is the current heavyweight champion and made Tyson look rather silly.

[Woodrodius]

Lexx, I believe your Karate background may be the reason you have some misconceptions about the way real fighting works. Tae Kwon Do sparring is a game, wholly different then real street fighting, but it has one aspect that teaches you important fundamentals that point sparring styles used in Karate omit. It never stops. The improvision taught by non-stop combat is important, and is the basis to which I draw my opinion in the case of Tyson vs. Lee. Mainly, it isn't all level and skill. I've seen canidate black belts, not even to their first Dan (degree), make fools of 4th degree black belts in sparring matches. Bruce Lee's style of martial art isn't geared towards fighting a brutish monster like Tyson, moreso, a very elgant and intelligent form of combat. You still aren't able to tell me why Bruce Lee is the best martial artist on earth. He kicks a guy 20 feet you say. This is irrelevant. Where did you see this footage, was it correographed, or was it impromptu fighting, or a tournament of some kind. I stick to my conclusion that as tough and skilled as Lee was, he would not be able to tip the damage balance with Tyson and would ultimately succumb to a fighter who is more conditioned to take and dish out damage then he is. Also, you keep making references to the limits of boxing, such as, boxers have only their hands. I repeat that in this street fight, Tyson has it all, anything he wishes to use, (Albeit falling back on his boxing training, he would mostly be using his hands, but, what more does he need?) I'd really like to argue about this subject, but Im afraid I haven't gotten much in the way of a valid point, (with the exception of the Knee-attack post, which I attempted to address in an earlier post.) Keep those replies coming.

[Woodrodius]

Lexx, in response your last post. Lennox beat Tyson using mainly the restrictions of boxing. Elongated reach, (Which Lee does not have, as we wasn't a large fellow), the ability to Tie up,(Which pretty much cost Tyson the fight), and of course the other restrictions of boxing. Since Lennox was able to Tie up with Tyson most of the fight, peppering him as he apporached, and rushing in to be inside of Tysons devestating punch radius, he was able to dominate the fight. When boxers tie up, they are not allowed to push eachother away, or hit eachother in the back of the heads, ect. Lennox use the rules to beat Tyson, so, Superior Boxer? Maybe. Could he take Tyson in the parking lot, I doubt it, but thats not were trying to debate. If Bruce Lee and Tyson were to box, with all those rules applying, I might give it to Lee, because the damage factor would be less, and there is always the descision win to consider. Lee could probably weave, dodge, and tie his way up to a descision victory. Could he knock him out? I doubt it. But since were talking a street fight, everything changes. If Lennox tried to tie up with Tyson on the street, the far bulkier and stronger Tyson would put Lewis to the ground, and proceeded to land unimaginably powerful blows while he was on the ground. That is why I chose Tyson and not lewis. If it were a boxing match, I might take Lewis to fight Lee, because of the reach factor. Hope that answers your question Lexx.

[leXX]

ok dude, you just keep telling yourself that Tyson would win. You believe whatever you wanna believe. Why did Lewis kick his a$$ if he's so 'powerful'?

 

btw: the footage of Lee kicking that guy wasn't choreographed, it was real, I'm surprised you havn't seen it and I have no misconceptions about how 'real' fighting works, I've been in plenty of street fights.

[Woodrodius]

Lexx, I'm not "just telling myself that Tyson would win." I've been going out of my way to negate points given by others, which have been few and far between, and telling you why I think he could win. Most of what I heard from others is, Bruce Lee would win because he's fast, or simply because he is Bruce Lee. I explained, in more then sufficent detail I might add, my reasons for drawing my conclusion. Yet you haven't given me too many reasons why you've drawn yours? I believe I've addressed all of your points, and If you believe I have failed to do so, then by all means point out which ones you'd like me to address. But don't expect me to value your rebuttal if you simply say, "Your just telling yourself Tyson would win." I could just as easily state that you are only telling yourself that Bruce Lee would win. (And be, in my opinion, more validated in doing so, as I have attempted to use fact and date to back up opinion). Also, you never addressed my question, "Why is Bruce Lee the world's best martial artist?" And I'd like it in the format of, "Bruce Lee is the world's best martial artist because........." Keep em coming.

[Luc Solar]

It's one thing to take a hit when someone is using boxing gloves. It's a whole different story if the opponent tries to BREAK you, not score points or knock you out.

 

(f.ex: I'd like to see Tyson fight after Lee has poked his eyes out.)

 

People are fragile when they're hit in the right way.

 

Boxers in general would beat the crap out of regular yellow-belt martial artist wannabees.

 

But:

 

An experienced martial artist has such a large arsenal of techniques that boxers are in big trouble.

 

Btw - I agree 100% with what you said

There are no superior martial arts, only superior martial artists.

 

Anyways.. Go Karelin GO!

 

 

 

Who wants to mess with Karelin?

[leXX]

I've said my bit already, I ain't going into no more detail because I truly can't be arsed. Like I said, I believe any half decent martial artist can beat any boxer, end of story, that's my view, fullstop.

[Woodrodius]

Well thats not my Line solar, so I take no credit for it, it was on a website somewhere. To address your points, I understand that martial artist would have a lot more "moves" at his disposal, but I believe that point is moot. My point is that Mike Tyson only needs the moves he has to put Lee to the ground. Tyson is a machine, built to take damage, and dish it out. (Moreso the latter then the Former.) I find it hard to believe that Bruce Lee had some "special technique" that would turn an ill tempered Tyson on his ear. I think the grittiness of what would be Tyson's street style would be extremely hard for Lee to counter. I believe his fighting focus would have to be too geared towards either doing damage, or avoiding it, to give much thought to either other. Tyson on the other hand, in my opinion, who has been hit his whole life due to his boxing career, would be able to take a few shots from Lee on his way in, while Ultimately smashing through his defenses and landing one, if not multible devastating, fight-ending blows. Solar I must say, you are doing the best arguing out of this group so far, keep it up.

[Woodrodius]

Well Lexx, as I've said before, you've truly failed to address any of my points, while I've taken thought and responded to all of yours. If you simply cannot answer and you concede, fine, but I can't stand the "Your wrong, I'm leaving" approach. It really doesn't get you or I anywhere. Good arguing skills are good life skills, as it is important to be able to convey your point rationally and backup your opinions. I asked you answer my question, which can be read a few posts up. You say I'm wrong and your leaving. I truly believe that you cannot do what I have asked. If you can, please do. Otherwise, admit you can't. Cheap shots on the way out the door don't suit anyone

[leXX]

Your tone is very arrogant, I would watch it if I were you! Ask anyone around here if I can argue a point or not, believe me I can, I can argue until the cows come home. Just because you started this thread and wish to discuss it at this moment in time doesn't mean I do, so don't EVER talk down to me again.

 

ok, I will argue this out with you.

 

*argument to follow*

[Luc Solar]

*skuttles away and takes cover waving a Go-Karelin-Go! -flag*

[Woodrodius]

Lexx, you call my reply arrogance, yet, were you the one saying, "Dude, your just telling yourself Tyson would win." This statement is attempting to undermine all the reasons I've given for my opinion being what it was. You did not attempt to rebutt or address anything I said, but rather merely blow me off. You say you have a reputation for being able to produce a good argument on these forums. I don't doubt it. Show me.

 

 

 

P.S. While I don't want this to turn into a flame war, or begin to draw too far from the subject, a quick argument about this topic is acceptable so long as it is professionally done. But other then that, let's attempt to keep this headed in the direction of Lee vs. Tyson.

[leXX]

You say a full force punch from Tyson would disable Lee, I disagree. That is the basis for you argument, the power of Tyson and his ability to take a punch. Lee could take a poweful punch the same as Tyson could and I believe had just as much power. In a street fight, Tyson would be ducking and weaving and choosing his shots but Lee would be doing the exact same thing and that is where the marial arts skill come in. Lee was way more agile on his feet and I very much doubt Tyson would even get a punch in. The counter skills of Lee were just too great. Lee would break him down slowly and I believe his endurance skills were superior to Tysons. Now we come to weapons. In a street fight, ppl pick up weapons. Lee was trained in the use of many weapons and Tyson was not. Lee would knock 10 kinds of $hit outta Tyson if they both had weapons.

 

The fact is, the speed of Lee was far superior to the speed of any boxer and that is what would win him the fight. Yes, Tyson was light on his feet but was he as light on them as Lee? No. It is the block/counter that will win any fight and that is where Lee's skill vastly outweights that of Tyson.

[C'jais]

This is rediculous IMHO.

 

One hit well placed hit from Lee in the milt or liver would knock out any man - humans are surprisingly fragile.

 

When all you need is one hit - the faster is going to win.

 

You're saying Tyson is a machine built to take damage. An expert martial artist can kill a bull with one punch or kick.

 

Tyson would be dead before the fight started.

[Woodrodius]

Your points are valid and I will address them in a moment, but first I must address the weapons issue. I believe we should leave weapons out of this because that turn's the whole argument on his head. The thread could be very well be called Me with an MP5 vs Bruce Lee. (And if you guys still put your money on Lee, well, then your beyond help. )

Now your other points. it's difficult to actually prove that Tyson could take more punishment then Lee, or if Lee could dish out as much damage as Tyson, but i will give you my opinion. I believe Tyson could take more punishment because of his boxing career. Boxers with glass jaws dont stand the test the time, Tyson did. He was taking shots from Holyfield, Lewis, and a myriad of other heavyweight boxers that would pound you and me into apple sauce. Bruce Lee's acting career couldn't provide him with expierience like this. True, Bruce Lee was a fighter, (Though not to the extent that his legend portray's him in my opnion). But there is a substantial difference between merely fighting other martial artist's in the street or in the dojo or whatever to better yourself, and the kind of punishment that Tyson or any other boxer (Especially heavyweight, and especially Tyson, as his success as a fighter has landed him in the ring with many tough hombres) must endure to make it to the top. Again, the speed issue becomes a bit a moot point. If you are saying that Lee could probably avoid being hit by Tyson, then I agree. But I think in doing so, (Due to Lee's short range) Lee would not give himself any oppurtunity to attack. As I said, the only safe (and I daresay that even this would be slightly risky) attack on Tyson would be fully extended leg attacks, such as side kicks to keep Tyson far enough away that you would be out of his danger zone. While these attacks may work for a little while, I don't believe that they would be sufficient in stopping Tyson, and that Inevitably, Lee would have to get in closer to due any real damage, and would be overpowered by Tyson's punches. It truly doesn't matter how fancy your style is, indeed, simpler is far better when fighting, less can go wrong the simpler your technique is. If you are trying to argue whether or not Lee could take Tysons punches and keep fighting, I cannot prove it one way or another. All I can say is this, people can and have died of head trauma in the boxing ring. Tyson is considered one of the most devestating punchers in boxing history. Take the gloves off, and the brutality of his blows are upped substantially. I think to presume Lee could take many, (if any!) shots of this caliber is far-fetched, he is after all, just a man.