Dooku could've taken yoda out!!!!

[Andy867]

Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little. Maybe not much. What's weird is that yoda had no problem moving the X-Wing when he is 900 yrds old, yet he struggled to move the tower, which in theory, probably didn't weigh as much, but also consider that Yoda said that the X-wing was only to big in one's mind. So Size, according to yoda, doesn't really have much affect to an extent.

[ET Warrior]

Well, the Tower had inertia and momentum driving it downwards which yoda had to overcome, and he'd also just used the force extensively to fight that battle. he was a bit tired. No matter what you say or what logic you use against me, Yoda would have eaten dooku for breakfast and spat him out on a plate without even worrying. He was toying with dooku for the entire duel.

[Jedi_Monk]

Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little.

I interpreted that scene as Yoda breaking the lightning down into raw Force energy which he added to his own energy well, thus it's no longer destructive Force lightning, but an energising Force boost.

 

What's weird is that yoda had no problem moving the X-Wing when he is 900 yrds old, yet he struggled to move the tower, which in theory, probably didn't weigh as much, but also consider that Yoda said that the X-wing was only to big in one's mind.

Yoda did have to concentrate quite a bit to lift Luke's X-Wing. If Yoda's face looked a little more scrunched than it did then, it was because the situation was far more urgent. Yoda says that the only limits to using the Force is what you believe. Luke failed because he didn't believe he could do it. It's not a physical effort, but it's still an effort. It's bending your will, forcing yourself to have enough faith to believe that you can lift that X-Wing, or that cooling tower. It's a parallel with Jesus telling his deciples that if they had faith "the size of a mustard seed" they could tell the moutains to move, and they would move.

 

[PowerBroker]

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

However, Count Dooku would have beated Yoda if the duel had gone on longer. Yoda has size on his side, granted, but if you watch carefully the better swordsman is actually Dooku. All Yoda does is spin himself around in a tornado, whereas Dooku is using less movement and more skill with the lightsaber. If the duel continued, the Count could have defeated the short little Jedi.

 

While whirling around, Yoda was devastating Dooku's defenses. At the end of the battle, you could see that Dooku was tired and was barely able to defend against Yoda's assault. Meanwhile, Yoda was energized and ready to decapitate Dooku.

 

At the beginning of the battle, Dooku was able to deflect almost all of Yoda's blows. However, as the battle went on, Dooku began to swing off target, and his posture became purely defensive. Yoda was slowly wearing him away, and was prepared to destroy him when Dooku retreated.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

Plus he could have caught Yoda off-guard with that Force lightning, then he would have won. If Yoda didn't deflect the lightning away, then it would probably knock him down.

 

Yoda was able to put his hand and absorb / deflect all of the lightning Dooku threw at him. He had no trouble at all, and could have gone on doing it all day. Besides, Dooku was immobilized while using force lightning, so it was virtually worthless.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.

 

Yoda outclasses Dooku in knowledge of the force, and is a more powerful and aggressive swordsman.

 

While Dooku can only deflect Force Lightning with little control, Yoda can absorb it, deflect it, or fire it right back. I'm willing to be that Yoda could have used Force Lightning alone to kill Dooku, should he have chosen to. Yoda also exhibited superior force control when he halted the descent of the pillar. If you study Dooku's movement and facial expression, it is clear that he acknowledges his inability to accomplish the same feat as he watches Yoda cast aside the column.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

Erm... Yoda could not have flipped around the room while suspending the tower above Obi-Wan and Anakin! Look at the expression and listen to Yoda while he uses the Force: it takes effort, and he does not have the strength to jump around the hangar while holding a tower in place.

 

I'm sure Yoda could have violently tossed the column away in a pinch, and then dodged any attack. However, that would have taken considerable effort, and would expend his strength.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

Count Dooku is Yoda's dark equal.

 

Dooku is not as powerful as Yoda. He is in the same elite class, perhaps, but Yoda is more powerful. Yoda exhibits superior swordsmanship and force skills, though only the former would make a significant impact on a pitched battle.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

The duel would not have ended for a long while if Dooku didn't need to escape and get to Coruscant.

 

I don't think so. Yoda acted like he was ready to obliterate Dooku at the end, and only out of caring for his compatriots did Yoda abandon this intent.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

He escaped because his loyalty to his master meant that continuing the duel would have placed the Death Star plans in danger.

 

Dooku was certainly ready to fight Yoda at the beginning, with little concern for the plans. It was only when Yoda signaled the battle was over that he escaped. He could have left any time before then, but chose not to.

[ET Warrior]

Agree with the new one, i do.

 

Welcome to the forums powerbroker i hope you enjoy your stay.

[dorain8]

REMEMBER YODA IS ABOUT 8 OR 9 HUNDRED YEARS OLD

SO GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT

 

I PERSONALLY THINK YODA WOULD HAVE WHIPPED SOME DOOKU ASS

 

BUT WELL ITS JUST WHAT I THINK WOULD HAVE HAPPENED

WE WILL NEVER KNOW UNLESS THE FIGHT CONTINUES IN EP.3

 

(I THINK ANY WILL KILL DOOKU TO TAKE THE RIGHTFUL PLACE BESIDE SIDEOUS

[Count Dooku 2]

You make a convincing argument for a new member, PowerBroker. Congratulations.

 

However, I still think that Count Dooku would have won the duel if it continued, I still think Count Dooku has the better weapons and Force powers and I still think that Count Dooku is as powerful as Yoda, if not more.

 

"I've become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you."

[Bob Gnarly]

actually he couldnt have killled yoda because hes in ep 4,5,6

and why would dooku drop the piller unless he was winning?

[PowerBroker]

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

You make a convincing argument for a new member, PowerBroker. Congratulations.

 

I try my best. Though I must say, I came here merely out of interest for Star Wars, and I'm rather tired of the constant debating I participate in in other forums.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

I still think Count Dooku has the better weapons and Force powers

 

His lightsaber appears to be equivalent to Yoda's, with the curved handle being the only difference. Perhaps you will counter that his use a different crystal or what-not, but remember, only the movies are canon. No guide or other fiction (even an officially licensed source) should be considered canon, and the makers of the movie agree with me.

 

As for his force powers, the only reason Yoda doesn't blast him with force lightning is because force lightning is a dark power, and I doubt Yoda would want to tread the fine line between the dark and light sides like Obi-wan did in Episode One. Yoda exhibited an ability to target and absorb the force power thrown at him, and ability Dooku couldn't match (he could only deflect the lightning away from him).

 

But I think that this is a tired argument, and I doubt debating it over and over again will change anyone's mind.

 

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

"I've become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you."

 

Opinion. His force powers weren't fully advanced yet, a telltale sign of which was his lightning (compare his and Palpatine's).

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

"I've become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you."

 

"Much to learn, you still have..":yoda:

[Count Dooku 2]

"It is obvious that this contest cannot be solved by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."

 

 

Face it: Count Dooku could have 'taken Yoda out' in the duel (I prefer to say 'destroy Yoda', but I am using the thread title here), and if it did continue then the Count would have emerged victorious by killing the Jedi Master (I know people will say that Yoda comes back in the original trilogy, but I am speaking hypothetically). End of story.

[Andy867]

But then you have to consider the facts that it takes more than "skills with the lightsaber" to defeat a Jedi Master, especially Yoda. If Obi-Wan and Anakin werent there, yoda would not have held back, he would have easily defeated Dooku Because A) The Sith Lighting is supposedly the Sith's ultimate Power, yet Yoda was not only able to absorb without any real difficulty, but that he was also able to deflect it back at Dooku, which means that the Lightning was't strong enough to overcome Yoda's connection with the Force. Yoda May not have been the greatest lightsaber master, as say Windu, but he certainly would have been able to wear Dooku down like he did to wear simple techniques of the Force would have ended Dooku's Life. Yoda May have the greatest connection with the force, but I remember hearing or reading somewhere that Windu was the best Jedi at wielding the Lightsaber.

[Count Dooku 2]

Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

 

Yoda may be able to deflect Lightning, but that was only because he concentrated on Dooku's attacks. If he was in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Dooku and the Count used Lightning as a surprise then Yoda would be knocked back. Look how long Anakin was imobalised for! Yoda's size would be a disadvantage here as well, and he would probably be badly wounded. Wounded enough for Dooku to finish him.

[PowerBroker]

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

 

Please enlighten me as to these powers.

 

Originally posted by Count Dooku 2

Yoda may be able to deflect Lightning, but that was only because he concentrated on Dooku's attacks. If he was in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Dooku and the Count used Lightning as a surprise then Yoda would be knocked back. Look how long Anakin was imobalised for! Yoda's size would be a disadvantage here as well, and he would probably be badly wounded. Wounded enough for Dooku to finish him.

 

The way Yoda was fighting, I don't think Dooku could have let down his defenses for a second. If he did, he would have been chopped in half. Besides, Anakin was a mere Padawan who knew nothing of the power of force lightning. He was utterly unprepared, and was punished for it.

 

Also, the same could be said about Yoda. He could have used dark force powers, if he were willing. Yoda was a lot more able to stop force lightning than Dooku was, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dooku was more suceptible to a lightning strike than Yoda was.

[Jedi_Monk]

"It is obvious that this contest cannot be solved by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."

Dooku said this because he knew that anything he dished out, Yoda could void. Dooku was admitting defeat, not saying he was as good as. And Yoda's lived for 800 years, and in that time he's probably learned every form of lightsaber dueling. Yoda's style was a culmination of all of the styles... and when you're using a pure form, like Dooku, having someone who can switch styles on a dime can really throw you off. Despite what you think, Dooku was wearing down while Yoda was still jumping around. Yoda didn't show weariness until he released the Force.

 

Yoda is the most powerful Jedi. His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means), and he's lived lone enough to learn all of the nuances of the Force. He knows the Force in a way Dooku cannot unless he lived another eight centuries. By the end of their little Force duel, he knew that anything he threw at Yoda, Yoda would have no trouble stopping. He felt a little more confident with a lightsaber, but Yoda was thoroughly beating him. "Fought well you have, my old Padawan." But now it ends.

 

[PowerBroker]

Originally posted by Jedi_Monk

His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means)

 

Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda. As for what midi-chlorians do, they enable a Jedi / Sith to use the force. The more you have, the better your force skills are.

[Sivy]

i don't where they got their information or how accurate it is

 

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

 

but here's a list of midi-chlorian levels

[Jedi_Monk]

Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda.

I intended to mean my comment for just characters in the prequels. At this time, Yoda has the most midichlorians, more than Dooku, was my point. But you're right, I should've been more specific.

 

[ET Warrior]

Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

 

I would truly like to see where you get all this inside info dooku. I mean, George hasn't even finished the script for the movie yet, hasn't started casting, but you seem to know all about episode 3.....

I think lightning IS a sith lord's greatest power, i doubt we'll see them do anything other than that.

 

You are still neglecting one major fact of the battle dooku, Yoda's quote. "Fought well you have, my old padawan" He speaks as though the fight is over now, meaning that Yoda is confident of victory, it is this tone that causes dooku to create a diversion and run away with his tail between his legs.

[dorain8]

he knocked down the pillar

so he could run away

 

like the guys in monty pythom running from the crazy devil rabbit

 

and if he had the ability to kill yoda

HE WOULD HAVE!

 

THAT OLD FART JUST SUCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!

[yoda_is_a_puppe]

the monty python guys only run from the rabbit to get the holy hand grenade dude:rolleyes:

[PowerBroker]

Originally posted by Sivy B

i don't where they got their information or how accurate it is

 

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

 

but here's a list of midi-chlorian levels

 

That is not canon, and should not enter into a discussion on a scene in the movies.

[AlphaBlade]

a little off-topic, but this has been bugging me for a while.

 

Why Dooku knocks down the tower on Aniken and Obi, why doesn't Yoda just force-push Ani and Obi out of the way. Or, better yet, why didn't the two idiots just ROLL!!!!!!

 

lol

[PowerBroker]

Originally posted by AlphaBlade

Why Dooku knocks down the tower on Aniken and Obi, why doesn't Yoda just force-push Ani and Obi out of the way.

 

Maybe he doesn't want to hurt them. Maybe he wants to show off his leet force skills.

 

Originally posted by AlphaBlade

Or, better yet, why didn't the two idiots just ROLL!!!!!!

 

Could you roll if you had your arm cut off and were extremely weak? Or how about having a hole in your leg?

[AlphaBlade]

After Dooku is dead, Both Ani and Obi get up and walk around (sure, with a little help)!