JediNyt Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Absolutely. Most of you guys are right. Lets summurize it. (again:snear: ) Dooku/Tyranus was a Jedi Master, now a Sith. With his past experience and skill and the new jolt of the Dark side its no surprise he could beat Obi and Ani who are NOT masters. He couldnt beat Yoda but he held in there pretty well. Yoda would have defeated him if he hadnt ran. Windu is second to Yoda. So hes probably equal to Tyranus who could hold up well against Yoda. If Tyranus and Windu fought, there would be no telling who would win. They both have an equal chance of winning. I hope its Mace though. Well see. Anakins still a Padawan. But probably the most powerful Padawan ever(next to Yoda). He will grow to be the second most powerful Dark side user ever. More powerful than Tyranus ever was. Sidious will still be #1 in the Dark side. Did I leave anything out?....No I think thats about it. None of this can be argued with, its all fact. We all know its fact. Stop the fan boy war. This is so ridiculous theres a huge debate over this. I lost count how many times I said stick to the facts. Im not God. Im not an all knowing authority. Im a humble fan who sticks to the facts and hates to lecture certain people all the time. If you dont like me then pay attention to people like ET Warrior and Jedi Monk and others like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plo_Koon_27 Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi Yah right. Why does Palatine/Sidious then say to Anakin "I forsee that you will become the greatest Jedi of all even higher than Master Yoda." I bet that if you put Dooku at the same age as Anakin that he would suck too. Anakin wasn't even that talented in Lightsaber dueling. Obi-Wan had expierence from his encounter with Maul years before. Just wait till EP III when Anakin wipes out all the Jedi and kills Dooku. He is going to replace Dooku in some way or another. I just want to hear Anakin say to Dooku while he chokes him "I am the master now." Anakin choked that Admiral in EP V while he was on another ship. Vader was the most powerful Sith ever. Dooku is good. I admit that but don't go around saying that he is better than Anakin. Vader was Palpatine's right hand man for more than 10 years. Dooku is just a guy that can shoot lightining and has a weird shaped Lightsaber. Vader can choke from a diffrent area of the galaxy. Everyone was also not afraid of him. Vader scared everyone cause they knew that he was the $hit. You've seen one movie with Dooku. Anakin is in all 6 movies. Look at the fact's before you talk. good point ratmjedi anikin was the most powerfull jedi ever (until Luke that is) so dooku isn't anything and you are right that the dark side freaks need to get a grip and think logically if dooku was the man why isn't he around in Ep IV, V, VI? instead of anikin aka darth vader? why???? because anikin aka darth vader stuck his lightsaber up his ass sideways and crushed his throat with the force, boiled his intestines, and exploded his brains!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!! by the way Master Mace Windu would beat Dooku hands down why???? how would somebody named count Poopu i mean Dooku win over the second most powerfull member of the jedi council????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plo_Koon_27 Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior Not more powerful, more experienced. Biiiig difference. i'm with you there ET us fellow kel dorians have to stick together! ^Master Plo Koon & ET Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerBroker Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi Obi-Wan is not in all 6 movies. He dies in EP IV. He may of come back afterwards to help Luke but he died. And where does that contradict my statement? Obi-wan was in all six movies, so that being a criterion for Anakin being more powerful than Dooku is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 25, 2002 Share Posted November 25, 2002 Originally posted by Plo_Koon_27 good point ratmjedi anikin was the most powerfull jedi ever (until Luke that is) so dooku isn't anything and you are right that the dark side freaks need to get a grip and think logically if dooku was the man why isn't he around in Ep IV, V, VI? instead of anikin aka darth vader? why???? because anikin aka darth vader stuck his lightsaber up his ass sideways and crushed his throat with the force, boiled his intestines, and exploded his brains!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!! by the way Master Mace Windu would beat Dooku hands down why???? how would somebody named count Poopu i mean Dooku win over the second most powerfull member of the jedi council????????? ;)Hey hey now lets not diss Dooku here. Hes still a kickass villan. Just like Maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted November 26, 2002 Author Share Posted November 26, 2002 we really don't know how good mace is/isn't. We only saw him for a few minutes fighting droids. So no one can really say how good he would be in a duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 26, 2002 Share Posted November 26, 2002 Second to Yoda. I think that says enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 I think Mace is a good Jedi, however he does not match the three most powerful SW characters of all time: Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn and Count Dooku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 i say mace because of his super-special-strong fightin style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 This discussion was run itno the ground already. The facts were already shown. Enough. Close it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 All we need is a Super Mod now. There are no Mod's for the EP II thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 28, 2002 Share Posted November 28, 2002 Anakin may have been the most powerful Jedi if you look at raw force power, but his training did not really teach him to control it well, wich does that he was at no point the "best" Jedi. If even a nearly untrained moisture farmer, who happened to find a lightsaber in his garage and is therefore a Jedi, can beat Vader, then Vader can't be very strong really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerBroker Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn If even a nearly untrained moisture farmer, who happened to find a lightsaber in his garage and is therefore a Jedi, can beat Vader, then Vader can't be very strong really. Vader was beaten by a trained Jedi who was taught by first hand experience, and by Yoda himself. Besides, a semi-trained Jedi who had no experience was easily defeated by Vader. Therefore, your analogy holds no water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Originally posted by PowerBroker Vader was beaten by a trained Jedi who was taught by first hand experience, and by Yoda himself. Yes, but only for a couple of months. Dooku was trained by him for many years. Besides, a semi-trained Jedi who had no experience was easily defeated by Vader. Therefore, your analogy holds no water. If you are reffering to Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan never lost, he simply gave up, comitted suicide. But then again, Obi has a lot of xp. So who are you referring to actually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerBroker Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn Yes, but only for a couple of months. Dooku was trained by him for many years. True. But Luke had firsthand experience in fighting Vader, which Dooku lacks. If Luke had gone into the throne room with no combat experience against Vader, I think the battle would have been a lot different. Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn If you are reffering to Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan never lost, he simply gave up, comitted suicide. But then again, Obi has a lot of xp. So who are you referring to actually? I was referring to Luke in Episode V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted December 6, 2002 Author Share Posted December 6, 2002 until I see Mace in a saber duel, I still have to go with dooku. Granted, Dooku was a few minutes away from being whooped by Yoda, but I think that his fencing style, against mace's lack of 700 years old speed, would be the end of mace . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 The point is, we have never seen Mace in a saber duel, and can therefore not know how good he is. If I say that mace couldnt even beat a 5 year old kid with absolutly 0 force powers, as long as the kid had a lightsaber, then I cannot prove it, but the point is, neither can you disprove it. And he is not nessicerely second after yoda in fighting, he may be the second after yoda in the council, but that doesn't mean he is second fighter after Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git_sum_stuka Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 Mace Windu, though i havent seen him fight another dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 7, 2002 Share Posted December 7, 2002 I hope we see him fighting in epIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaJango Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 You all have seen somewhere that Jedi Master Count Dooku was second only to Jedi master Yoda. Noting that, Anakin stated that Obi Wan was as strong as Mace Windu and as wise as Master Yoda. So if Obi Wan got his @$$ kicked, so would Mace Windu. I'm sorry, but in fact WINDU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HIS @$$ KICKED! Dooku WAS second only to Jedi Master Yoda, AND STILL IS. (I want Windu to win, but facts are facts....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wüstenfuchs Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 ALL RIGHT...f*ck all this... Both are gonna die in the next episode...so... How are they going to die would be a better question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teutonicknight Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 I would have to say Dooku, he has a better offensive saber style, and he fought well with Yoda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 Originally posted by Count Dooku 2 Just look at the evidence... Mace Windu: Capable of killing a bounty hunter who only had one laser pistol and a faulty backpack. Can slash droids a bit and remove a Reek's right horn. Count Dooku: Capable of sending a Jedi flying across the room with a single gesture and do serious damage to a Jedi Master in one swift movement. Take someone with two lightsabers down to one weapon before dis-arming them (literally) and hold his own against the most powerful being in the galaxy. People like Mace Windu too much. He is nothing more than a simple Jedi with a different coloured lightsaber and a shiny head. Count Dooku, on the other hand, is powerful, graceful, imposing, skilled and deadly, not to mention fuelled with the power of the dark side of the Force. Count Dooku, hands down. I thoroughly agree Originally posted by JediNyt You Dark side nuts like Dooku too much. I'm a Lightside 'nut', but I still think people like Mace too much And Dooku's just kewl Christopher Lee was the perfect choice of actor for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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