New code of conduct for saberists

[Sir Brass]

After having recently seen the differences that exist between those who love the Saberist Code and those who hate it (usually found among the ranks of the ASC), I have decided upon a new saberist code which realizes the ideal of fair combat for all, while also striving to prevent and punish (when prevention fails) people from abusing the freedom of the game even in FFA. As those of us who play ProMod are realizing that our rough matches in ArtifeX's server is scaring away new promod players because of our total lack of observance of normal gameplay behavior convention, a code needed to be written which appeals to us Promodders who generally like a no-holds-barred atmosphere, but which also makes it a player's duty to act responsibly. Violators (unlike in the SC, where you were 'forced' into kick voting an accused of you openly followed the SC) are NOT kicked out of the server, rather observers of the HCC (Honorable Combat Code) are encouraged to execute 'mob justice' and bring hell upon the violator. Wild West Justice, I call this. The offender is repeatedly massacred (with observance to the HCC, of course) and shown no mercy except that which is dictated in the HCC to be shown to all players, and will continue to do so until he stops committing the offense. This allows for accidental breaking of the HCC, b/c the offender in such a situation will know he is dead unless he appologizes and explains that the offense was an accident (a simple "sorry, didn't mean to do that" will suffice). The HCC (found here ), has been generally well recieved in the promod community, and it is my hope that it will spread among other server admins. These rules, while detailed, are simple in nature, and are only detailed in that they explain exactly what is meant, so that no misinterpretation of the rules occurs. These rules are also meant to adapt and change as the general gaming situation changes.

 

I do not believe in restricting the freedom of players to do what they wish in a JD2:JO server, UNTIL they start making the playing experience of their fellow players a negative one. This is a community, and even though it is an electronic community, it is still a community in which real people participate, and behavior should be in accordance with this fact. "Freedom is doing what you wish WITHOUT stepping on the rights and freedoms of others." Chat killing, flaming, spawn killing (hanging around respawn points and ripping apart players when they respawn, and thus are unable to defend themselves properly), and the like are actions which step on the rights and freedoms of others playing the game, and thus should not be allowed in honorable combat. These are the kinds of things the HCC addresses, as well as set a general guideline to the fair execution of a duel (whether a challenge in FFA or fighting in the dueling gametype).

 

 

NOTE: Because I have not yet had the privilage of playing the saga gametype with other players, I do not know yet what is honorable and dishonorable behavior in that particular gametype. The HCC will be updated with a Saga gametype addendum once ArtifeX implements Saga into ProMod 3.1 (which will happen once his wife lets him. . . . poor Art ).

 

I highly encourage all players and server admins to adopt the HCC as a replacement to the SC, and as a guideline for proper behavior when in HCC neutral servers (servers which side neither with SC, HCC, or ASC). However, if the server allows chat killing, and you follow the HCC, don't think that you will have help being avenged if you're chat killed. Just chat kill right back. After all, "when in rome..." HOWEVER, that is for ONLY when you are in HCC-hostile and SC-hostile servers (where they blatantly disregard rules of both in favor of something like the ASC), otherwise, if you follow the HCC, then you should hold yourself up to that code. No -HCC- prefix is needed to know you follow the HCC, for your observance shall be seen in your behavior, whether you know you follow the code or not. The HCC just puts into words what I feel the general guidelines for honorable behavior are for the JO community, and sets consequences for those who break them.

[FK|FallenOne]

Lame, codes of conduct take the fun out of the game. I can kick kill anyone with my saber down. So aside of chatkilling there is nothing wrong with attacking whoever. Saber down = asking to be killed. You don't see people bitching in any other MP game about getting killed while switching guns or not having any. All this code crap should be dumped in the trash.

[SUPERLEN]

Bah! But hasn't this topic been discussed to death? Can't we just agree to disagree?LOL. Us saberist with "honor" will just keep an eye on ya that feel its silly, agreed? Reptile IRON aka SuperLen

[MysticSpade]

i personally feel anyone who attacks while saber down is lookin for a cheap victory. also kick killing is worse than type killin. that doesn't show skill it shows how nOOb-ish your game really is. honor is needed in any MP game. like on normal fighting games when you pause cuz your friend has to take a piss or somethin like that. only losers and cheap bastards attack when no defense is shown.

[griff38]

It is hard to learn the features of the Promod when people spam already. The mod was created to balance play but people already have found ways to abuse it.

 

I played with you (Sir Brass) the other night on the promod server and somebody killed me 20+ times with speedx3 + 1 saber hit. No skill involved with that.

 

Several people connected and then left after having this happen.

 

 

So yes I agree with your take on the situation.

 

 

POST SCRIPT. Oh yea, by the way. I keep reading about the Great Lazerous and how good he is with saber & force on Promod, but all he ever did to me was spam that move I mentioned above.

[acdcfanbill]

You will never get people to agree about a code of honor. My advice is to follow your own code, but never let yourself be in a position where someone could take advantage of you. I only let my guard down around people whom i know to play with honor and if i get typekilled on a strange server cause i was yacking with someone, its not their fault, its mine for letting myself it the situation.

[ksk h2o]

griff if you stuck with it a little you'd see how easy it is to counter spammed moves in promod. Like Artifex' mots says, "there are no fluke victories here." Your regular saber moves, when done correctly are so deadly that, once you get used to promod, nobosy can just kill you by spamming a move or an exploit. If they beat you once you know how promod works, it's only because they played better at that time.

 

It is actually a pretty bad thing that 1) Artifex's server wont let people with regular promod3 connect without g_allowdownload = 1 and 2) that once you are in, you get rocked. My first couple of times I was getting absolutely slaughtered, if you have the patience to stick with it though, art's server is the place where you'll be playing with the best, and therefore progress the fastest.

[Sir Brass]

I played with you (Sir Brass) the other night on the promod server and somebody killed me 20+ times with speedx3 + 1 saber hit. No skill involved with that.

 

The thing is that in promod, if you're carrying a gun and are hit with a saber, you are most likely to be killed instantly. The thought behind this is that if a saberist has to keep hacking at you to kill you, you can just keep firing on him and he'll most always be killed in the process (b/c of the balance that promod brings to saber vs. guns). The trick is to avoid the saberists, and to drive them off with unblockable weapons such as the demp (secondary attack for this is devestating to saberists in levels such as ns_streets), the heavy repeater (every gunners second best friend), and the flechette launcher (the gunner's best friend, since is secondary attack is feared by ALL saberists. a hit with both balls on anyone will usually result in an instant kill, and the thing is that jedi can't block the balls like they can primary flechette rounds).

 

 

Also, all you who just b!tched about the code of honor, did you even bother to click on the link which showed the code of honor? I doubt it, b/c what you complained about IS COVERED. Also, saber down is asking to be killed b/c it is a viable tactic if you've mind tricked somebody, b/c even though they can't see you, they can hear you, so the best way to sneak up on them is to crouch with saber off. sometimes mindtricks fail and if you see somebody coming toward you with saber off, they might be trying to sneak up on you and not know that their mind trick failed.

 

Just b/c I believe most of you (not saying all of you who just responded didn't read the actual code, b/c I did post a link to it) did not read it. Here it is, copied and pasted from ArtifeX's promod forum on Ikonboard).

 

I have read the -SC- and find I disagree with it on several points, mainly in that it is too strict. However, its ideal is one that I think ought to be embraced by the entire JO community. So, I have come up with my own rules of combat. These rules encourage honorable behavior, and also have penalties for those who break the rules (namely, getting your butt kicked. Wild West justice, you might say). I find these rules embrace what Art's ASC tried to grasp, b/c it tries to make the game fair for everyone, and also allow an enviroment which is dangerously competitive, but also respectful to other players. Remember, behind each model is a real person with a real mind, and real feelings. These rules take this into account, and thus are focused on promoting community and comradere through their realization, while also refraining from making play restrictive.

 

 

Preamble: None of these offenses will warrant banning or kicking from the server, unless noted. Punishment for violations of these rules is to have your ass kicked and ripped and handed back to you grilled, seasoned, and lightly kissed with hot sauce, unless otherwise noted.

 

1: Chat killing is a no-no! The icon appears, IMO, as a symbol to other players that the player who controls that model is afk. Thus, he is tweaking his force powers, or had to suddenly get up and deal with some real life issue, but didn't want to totally quit the game. He should be considered as neutral and as non-targetable as the Swiss (they remained neutral in both world wars, remember). The only exception is if the person with the afk icon up changes his/her name to something which says to kill them (I've seen this happen) or otherwise indicate that they should be killed. Then, go on and take the free kill.

 

2: In a duel, saber off shall mean that the same thing as a chat icon, unless that person shows he is using it to only bait you (then feel free to slice 'n dice his sneaky butt). The exception made for rule 1 also applies here.

 

3: In duel gametype, or in a private FFA duel (official, where the game recognizes the duel going on), both combatants shall turn off their sabers, and both shall give an acknowledgement before starting, unless both decide to ignore this and imediately start going at it (if one turns off his saber and gives an acknowledgement, the other player is obligated to do so as well). Sabers on by both means begin fight. Chat icons and sabers off are indicators to pause play (unless the exception in rule 2 occurs). Same exception for rule 1 applies here.

 

4: Nasty insults directed towards another player for whatever reason are no-no's as well. This does not include general epithets like "aww f*&k!", "$h!t", "d@mn", or "dammit", rather derogitory remarks meant to offend and provoke another player. When meant in malice, Flames and more violent insults, including racist, sexist, etc. remarks. This is a kickable &/or bannable offense if the offender will not heed to warnings against such behavior.

 

5: General respect and courtesy shall be extended towards your teammates in team-based combat. This doesn't mean to be uber polite, rather, this means you are asked to listen and consider all suggestions made by your team members. You are all working towards the same goal, so no one should be left out. This usually has the effect of promoting teamwork and generally allowing that team to win. This means that you are not to talk down to your teammates, even if they say something utterly ridiculous. If that happens, tell them so, but in a non-offensive matter, such as (example only): "Yeah, and that'll also get us killed. So, no." Nasty remarks are discouraged, as they only serve to hinder cooperative team play.

 

6: Veterans are generally expected to assist n00bs in their tactics and gameplay IF the n00b so requests. Vets are encouraged to help n00bs when they can. This is not a rule, rather, it is an option which only serves to make you more respected among others. Also, teaching somebody something serves to help you hone that skill even better, thus you're improving when teaching.

 

7: Extreme disruption of play is grounds for automatic kicking, even if the disruption was unintentional.

 

 

These are the rules of honorable combat. I encourage all server admins to adopt these (and post them in a shorter form as they each see fit in their servers). Remember, unless stated in the rule, the offense is not bannable, rather, the punishment is for the person to get his ass kicked.

-posted by me on December 19, 2002 at 14:04 Eastern Standard Time.

[Rad Blackrose]

*cough* Time for the ASC to pop back out... *cough*

[griff38]

Brass I read about 90% of the material at your link, and the only criticism... is its kinda long. I have about 36 hours to pack into a 24 hour day like alot of us.

 

Saying that I have a great deal of respect for what your trying to do.

I really enjoy playing gunner on the Artifex Promod server its very challenging playing against Jedis.

 

See you there.

[Farkus]

Sir Brass, get that plunger out of your butt. Quote: "7: Extreme disruption of play is grounds for automatic kicking, even if the disruption was unintentional". I got banned from a server because the moron admin started 'typing' in the middle of a huge ffa and I killed him about 0.00001 seconds later. Play any other online game (Quake 3, Half-life etc) and everyone's just running around like a headless chicken trying to kill everyone else. Just because of the huge star wars popularity whiners like you make up all these gay 'codes of conduct'. I follow them, but I don't like when right-wing people like you come and try to ruin what's meant to be a fun

 

~G A M E~

[Sir Brass]

Extreme disruption is grounds for kicking even in the ASC. The prime example of extreme disruption is when someone gets on and their ping spikes so high that they start lagging others is extreme disruption. Its more of an allowance for technical stuff. Read about when the ASC thinks its appropriate to kick, and you'll see that THAT is what #7 is about.

 

Also, it may be long, but actually abiding by it is fairly simple. Most of the promodders active on art's forum (and these people tend to be the best, exception is for laz, b/c he doesn't participate on the forum, but nearly ownz all of us on the server) have either taken a neutral stance or agreed to abide by it when the server abides by it. This is the stance I take. If the server is one where the ASC rules, I'll play ASC style, and I WILL take cheap shots if offered, b/c the other players will do the same to me anyways. Still, when a server is neutral or pro-HCC on the issue, I will abide by the HCC (naturally, since I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't).

 

Just because of the huge star wars popularity whiners like you make up all these gay 'codes of conduct'. I follow them, but I don't like when right-wing people like you come and try to ruin what's meant to be a fun

 

No, see, I'm NOT right wing. These codes are flexible, and allow for EVERYONE to have fun, not just the ones who win all the time. Also, you just said that you follow them, well, you know what, then you follow HCC. Its more of a set of guidelines, rather than rules. Note, it is the Honorable Combat Code! No 'code of conduct' stuff in there. This is NOT the -sc-. The SC was extreme, I agree, and I would've followed the ASC had I been one to choose sides when that war was being fought. Read it carefully and you'll see that nothing is really REQUIRED, rather it is encouraged, and that makes all the difference.

[SUPERLEN]

You seem to have some decent ideas, Brass, but a little long in the tooth Your right, most people are not going to read your manifesto...but that is just realism, not a diss. As a server admin for the IRON Brigade, I agree with most of your ideas and usually practice that way. Of course, it's not promod, just regular duel and ctf, so we don't have the same degree of conflict. I have to bump what i said earlier and reiterate what acdc fan said...you can't get these two groups to agree about conduct. Like in real life, you just have to live by your code of ethics and watch out for those who might not share those values! Reptile IRON aka SuperLen

[Sir Brass]

Yeah, I know they're not going to read them, but if they aren't, then they shouldn't whine about how 'gay' it is. Its like voting, if you don't vote, then don't whine about who got elected. Same here, if you don't want to read the HCC, then don't go around complaining. I also know that I am NEVER going to get the two sides to agree, however, I am trying to get the SC people to come off that extreme 'holier than thou' attitude and stop acting like a d@mn clique, b/c that ruins play just as much as chat-killing, etc. People who follow their own code of honor adhere to the same things, if not the exact same things as are covered in the HCC, which is why I wrote it. All I'm asking is that server admins and players who play by personal codes of honor to help spread this around to those who are neutral. For those who want to spam and take cheap kills at n00bs 24/7, forget them, we're never going to convince them, so we can just have fun slaughtering their asses for fun.

[Jedi Child]

ok, i must add.

 

before

I've had this game since it came out, and played it thoroughly in it's opening stages. Back then it was interesting to see these codes of conduct emerge. It made for great play. The thing about "bowing" is that it is very cinematic. Also, walking with your sabre down, and to some extent, limited taunting. Players agreed and the thing just had a fluidity...

I remember the only problem back then was on FFA servers. and the complaint was against weapon sapmmers on Jedi knights..

 

After a long absence of university, i get back home for the holliday season and want to play a few rounds with my trusty sabre...

 

now

I join a dual server and it seems their are upteenth number of "bows" and nods, and chatting going on.. It's the "hi, please nt, nf, nk" variety. Then the other responds "ok", but instead of the chat ending, it goes on and on with players saying "wow, that trick was cool.. you're a great player" and doesn't make for very interesting spectating. There's always the obligatory "health point?" question to hold up play further.. and the taunts, and the running away from combat. And the sabre downs... All slowing up the play. I'm sure it's very fun for the two duelists, but isn't that great to watch.

 

Now to my shock, i joined a few FFA servers and what did i see? Almost no weapon selection. Only sabre players. Ok i thought, interesting, perhaps we can have fun melee combats. Instead what i see are uber polite and elitist Codes of Conduct. Players all seem to congregate in one area of the map, they then lower their blades and treat it as if it were a duel server. They all crowd around and wait successive turns. Using force push and pull while they wait. Anyone who just wants to get on with fighting, is just hounded and hunted down for violating their precious "code". The force spammers on the FFA servers are all one trick ponies who have mastered one death move and use it over and over and over..

 

Not a blaster, or plasma rifle in sight, it's all about the duelists and their hogging the FFA servers.

 

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FYI, my main interest is a duel mode. But when i wanna let rip with the rest of the weapons (which isnt that often) i go to FFA servers, but where are the weapons?! They've almost been completely outlawed by Jedi knights who should really be on a duel server and are slowing down play a little too much with their uber "you must be polite to me otherwise your head is mine" code of conduct attitude.

 

I understand the need for polite play, but some players over cook it.

[Sir Brass]

See, all that heavy obligatory crap went along with the SC, and when the SC came out, thats when things started to get bogged down. The HCC is probably akin to what you were used to playing with. I bow only once then let 'er rip! ALso, I have observed only limited chatting in duels, and if I get involved in an extensively long conversation, then I usually cut it off and say "save it for later. lets fight." When you do the short bow, saber off thing, and the sabers flick on, its no-holds-barred. I was in an INTENSE duel server this evening where I ended up dominating and winning by hitting the server imposed 10 kill limit before changing maps (which was when the server died for some dumb reason). THe only commentary came from the spectators, and all you heard out of me when I was in combat was "sh!t" or "gf" or "d@mn". short, sweet, to the point, and usually about a mistake I'd made. I have seen what you're talking about and those servers are some of the most boring ones I've ever been in. However, ever since I discovered promod and started really playing promod3.0 (just came out), the game play has be revitalized. I recommend this mod for you, Jedi Child. You want to see guns, you'll see plenty of guns in Art's official promod ffa server, and you'll probably never want to even SEE another flechette launcher ever again. Pure jedi vs. pure gunners is absolute slaughter on both sides, as each has weakness the other can exploit to deadly effects. Its quite fun. As for dueling, you're too busy trying to stay alive and beat the other guy to even think about chatting till you're waiting in the spectator area (which is when alot of advice and fun chatting goes around, and now spectators can coach duelists b/c with promod, spectator comments can be seen by the duelists, so the hp stuff is usually done while the two duelists are still duking it out. I suggest you download it and give ProMod a try. It definately revitalizes the game to the way you remember it, I'm very sure of that.

[Marker0077]

I only play duel mode with JK2. The shooter & CTF aspect of JK2 doesn't do anything for me, at least not in JK2, so I can't really speak on those 2, but code of conduct is pretty common knowledge for duel mode. Whether you are typing or just undrew your saber, you should have a key bound to asking your opponent to wait a sec, that should eliminate any miscommunication right there; But whether you followed the code or not, you will always have wankers that use the term "its just a game" as an excuse to be cheap. I think it doesn't matter if it's a game or not, cheap is cheap.

 

As far as kicking goes, well, if you have a problem with kicking, don't join a kicking server. I usually don't kick if requested, but I don't think anyone is obligated to handicap themselves. After all, most servers are no forces.

 

Then you have the ever so popular "binds are for n00bs" people, I know I used to be one of them. Not anymore though. Fact is I got so tired of dealing with the stereotypical commentary I bound a key that says "Hi, I'm a n00b because i bind specials :-)" as a sarcastic way of agreeing with the stereotypes & we can just play; But the really funny part about this is since I have been using the bind that says this, I found out DAMN NEAR ALL the top ranked players on the Dark Side servers use them as well.

Why use the binds when you can just enter the move in manually? The main reason is because you can do the move a little faster. It's also easier & you can pull the specials off more reliably, but let's face it, doing the specials manually isn't rocket scientry, so the real reason is speed.

Then you have those that say using the binds is cheating. Well, there are some binds out there that are cheats, but I don't see these as being cheats anymore than I do playing online via an X-Box & using a turbo/macro controller. I mean, if you had a mouse with macro/turbo features on your PC you wouldn't be cheating, why is this any different? Actually, this is more fair than that because you don't have to buy anything extra, it comes built-into the game. So it's all a matter of opinion. I just think its childish to critisize others just because they don't share the same views as you (unless they're cheating), which is common among those who complain about the binds. Most of the time people say "lol" when I use the bind that says I'm a n00b.

 

As for this code of conduct, I think there should be a poll to decide each rule. Problem is getting the people to join together & vote. Most polls only get a few votes. If this is something you already suggested, I appologize for not reading all of that, but again, I don't play CTF, so I didn't feel like reading that book of a post for something I can't even relate to, yet alone comment about.

[griff38]

Brass, i have played with you and some of your promod buddies about a half dozen times.

 

And you don't play like you talk in this forum.

 

Here you are polite curtious and respectful.

 

But on the server you are profain rude and petty.

 

You would speedx3 +1blue hit me 3 or 4 times in a row

( i don't really care anymore, promod saberist all do this)

 

(Im gunnin with no force or sabre) then I rocket homing missle you once and you flip out. Damn F***** Gunners! F***n Hack!

 

Why am I a hack because I manage to kill you once with the rocket?

 

Then I see you pass right by easier kills to chase me down.

 

Oh yea, you said " alot of advice and fun chatting goes around, ."

 

I tried chatting, asked questions with you, Zerowing and a few others and you guys totally ignore me.

 

I really want to play Promod with real people, but Iam about to give up.

[davre_gamob]

ill add my two cents.

 

to me, some rules are very useful in duels. i dont consider nf, nw, crap like that to be rules, thats just whiney n00bs thinking they have saber skill, when in fact, its just moving the mouse around. i conside no-chat-killing very honorable, and most importantly, no-ground-fighting!. when i run my server, i kick and ban anyone and everyone who ground-fights. i consider it cheating and very disrespectful to those who want a clean fight.

 

now, in FFA servers, if its all duelists, i just quit and play bots. at least bots DO use other weapons. but if i go into a duel that does have weapons, but the guy says nw, i just blow his ass up with the biggest and baddest gun available.

 

remember, jk2 is quake based, so wheres the fun without weapons? i consider weapons to be an essential part of online gaming.

 

thats my two cents.

 

[EDIT: also, i LIKE to use BLUE because its FAST and doesnt take all day to swing like red. so bluehitting is not in my dictonary ]

[Marker0077]

Originally posted by davre_gamob

when i run my server, i kick and ban anyone and everyone who ground-fights. i consider it cheating and very disrespectful to those who want a clean fight.

What is ground fighting by your definition? Because I am picturing in my mind either someone who doesn't jump, or someone who ducks down to swing in the lower area where there isn't so much defense & I just for the life of me can not see how you can depict either of the two as cheating.

[Sir Brass]

Brass, i have played with you and some of your promod buddies about a half dozen times.

 

And you don't play like you talk in this forum.

 

Here you are polite curtious and respectful.

 

But on the server you are profain rude and petty.

 

You would speedx3 +1blue hit me 3 or 4 times in a row

( i don't really care anymore, promod saberist all do this)

 

(Im gunnin with no force or sabre) then I rocket homing missle you once and you flip out. Damn F***** Gunners! F***n Hack!

 

Why am I a hack because I manage to kill you once with the rocket?

 

Then I see you pass right by easier kills to chase me down.

 

Oh yea, you said " alot of advice and fun chatting goes around, ."

 

I tried chatting, asked questions with you, Zerowing and a few others and you guys totally ignore me.

 

I really want to play Promod with real people, but Iam about to give up.

 

Heh, well, you've got me there. What you say is quite true. On art's server, I can be quite a profane @ss. Thing is that I get very frustrated in art's ffa. And I, for one, NEVER think that taking advantage of the fact that a gunner can be easilly hacked down in one swing by a jedi using yellow, is a cheat. Its a balancing feature. I see a gunner not flying, I go after him. I never even saw those easy kills, else I would've taken them. Also, I never really mean those insults, its just frustration. I'll try and be less vocal about it on the server next time, so thank you for pointing that out to me. Also, catch me sometime in another server, and you'll see that I'm quite different (ffa really isn't my forte . . . its my weakest point, actually, and I get aggrivated easilly) in, say, a duel server. If I become profane, its b/c of something I did, not what the other person did.

 

Oh, and you notice that I never whine in art's server. I may cuss my head off, but you don't see me saying "Stop using that tactic you lamer!" and other such immature comments. You do see me saying "F*cking gunners! DIE!" the thing is that most of the people on that server know me fairly well and know that half that comment is me letting out my frustration, and the other half is a joke. "DIE, he says? LOL, he can't come at me without dying." is basically what it is, and its somewhat of a light joke. Still, I'll hold off the profaneness in that server from now on. Its a dog-eat-dog environment on that server, and if I want to do decently on it, I have to adapt. I think I've said it before, that if the server doesn't follow the code, then I won't, b/c others will just take advantage of my naive behavior as I would were someone to do so on that server as well. If the server is neutral or pro-HCC, I follow the code.

 

I'm sorry if I appeared to be a hypocrite in here, b/c I don't mean to be, its just that in art's server, there will never be any code of conduct other than "don't totally disrupt the server's ability to perform" and "don't flame or harass the players." Other than that, if the game normally allows it, then there's nothing wrong with that. Chat killing is a completely valid tactic there, and if you think saber down means peace, think again, b/c others will just assume you just tried mind trick and it didn't work, and you're sneaking up on a supposedly blind opponent. They have every right to take advantage of that. Now, I don't necessarilly agree with all of that, but that server is a place where I'm constantly improving, so I keep going there to improve. Join me in a duel server sometime, and I'll show you that I am not a hypocrite.

 

One of the most important things about the HCC, is that whether you should follow it or not depends on the server's attitude. If they have an honor code, then follow the HCC, if they are of the ASC mind set, then don't follow the HCC unless you want to be obliterated by players with no problem of taking advantage of your assumptions.

 

I hope I've explained myself well here.

[Darth Kaan]

The above reasons are why from shortly after JKO's release, some friends of mine and I, formed an Order (not a clan) to play this game unaffected by trash talkers and lamers in general.

 

Promod is a plus and like all mods made that improve a game should be supported, as the creators of these mods are helping keep the most unique of all fps games alive.

 

However, all the mods, codes of conduct and balancing of gameplay issues in the world, can't solve common mis-conduct issues, nor can it bring players of unlike thoughts together.

 

As from the beggining, you can either suffer the atmosphere of the common public server, or find a group of like minded individuals that play together on a passworded, private server.

 

Our order has met some great people by inviting players to join us from time to time in our server. Many outside our order have the IP address and pword and we are always happy to see them join the fray.

 

Sadly, it is better this way, to bad it has to be though. Good luck

Sir Brass with your code of conduct and a merry christmas to all!

[Sir Brass]

I thank you for your thoughts Darth Kaan. They make perfect sense, however, until promod catches on big time, its not a wise idea to pword promod servers unless its art's test server for the next promod update. We need all the people we can to try out promod and come to enjoy it, and we're trying to set up a server where it is stated that proper behavior is encouraged as many people who would normally enjoy promod are turned off by the utter ruthlessness and very fast paced slaughter on art's server. A more tame, but just as active server meant for new promod players would be very beneficial, and the HCC was first created to be the guidlines of behavior for that server. I know its impossible to get everyone to agree or to prevent misconduct, but it is possible to limit a good amount of it if a fair and flexible code is supported and generally abided by. It is like laws. We can't get everyone to agree on all of them (some of the biggest debates in the U.S. at the moment are over laws) and we can't get everyone to follow them (else we'd have no need for cops), but they are still in effect. The same with the HCC. Even though it will be violated and even though some people will think it lame and stupid, those two reasons are not reasons to stop trying to promote it. As long as there is somebody who would be willing to consider it if they saw it, I will still promote the HCC. Who knows, it may help revitalize the game a little bit.

 

Still, I thank you for your input. I'll certainly remember your advice if we get a promod clan going.

[FK|FallenOne]

Codes and Ethics and this crap and that crap is all exactly that...CRAP! There should be only one rule. NO Chat Killing. Why should that be the only rule? Because it's so obvious when someone's chatting or in console, they have that big freaking box above their head. Anyone I ever play with is just as lethal with their feet and force as with saber out so saber down does NOT equal no kill on our clan server. We have few rules, No chatkilling, no flag camping (on map exploits). The only time chatkilling is allowed on our server is if the flag carrier is dumb enough to try and chat with the flag or you're chatting deep in the enemies base.

 

Name one other game where there's so many codes and honor systems? NONE. There isn't. You will never go into a UT2K3 DM server and see a bunch of people standing in a circle watching as two people 1v1 each other. Nor will you in CS, Q3, Tribes, or any other MP game. It's just ridiculous that this is what this game has turned into. Very rarely do I find an FFA server where it's just balls out carnage. And it's sad. THAT is fun. Sitting around watching people duel waiting for someone to put their saber up so I can hack at em is by no means fun and I can't see how you all think it is. If you guys want to have some saber carnage fun, come to our clan server. It's CTF but you're more than welcome to Saber Slash away. (it's saber only don't worry)

 

66.150.29.215:27982 {FK} Clan Saber Only CTF

[ksk h2o]

You make a lot of sense fallen one, I personally believe you should abide by the rules of the server you are on and that's it. If you log onto an all out server, be prepared to be butchered. If you log into a hand-holding server be prepared to be kicked for killing people

 

Fallen one, why havent we seen you on promod yet? We're really starvin to get our hands on some vet players. It takes some time to adjust but once you do, its so much fun. Contrary to popular belief, gunners are still king in promod. Even if you don't have force powers the level 4 gunning skill and jetpack are enough to make you into a hybrid of terminator-rambo

 

At least the saber is deadly too.