New code of conduct for saberists

[griff38]

Here is my take on rules, they make sense only if everyone participates.

 

And when the guy who suggest we use them is incapable of following them I smell Hypocrisy.

 

I consider myself much tougher than most players I play with.

(not better)

 

When I have my game on nothing ruffles my feathers. You chat kill me I don't care, If you hog 1 move over and over I don't care. You can vote kick me or admin freeze me I don't care. You can cuss me out call me a cheat and gang up on me 2 or 3 on 1.

 

All Iam going say is bring it on.

 

I can honestly say I have never done anything petty or childish in the game.

 

This forum is different, I get angry very easy at what I read.

 

I have said it before and I will be saying it again & again:

 

TALK IS CHEAP when you don't follow your own advise.

[FK|FallenOne]

I tried promod, and I can't say I was very pleased. I haven't tried it as a gunner yet because I wanted to see the supposed "leaps and bounds" in saber combat that was made. And all I saw was everyone being lightside, hitting speed then charging everyone with a red downward hack for the kill. Didn't seem to me that it brought "skill" back to saber combat. I mean even when I readied to parry the attack it'd still get through. And darkside, wow, darkside is useless on promod except for Rage. But that too is just the same as putting absorb and speed on and charging around hacking. I agree that the damage system needed to be changed, but I went up with my red stance (which I feel I'm pretty good at) against a guy in yellow and while my swing was parried, his counter sliced me in 2. Red is supposed to be the strongest stance but in promod Medium is. So I'm not too high on it. When I get back from vacation I may try it again, but I'm on a low end DSL here at my moms and I don't ping as well as I do at home on my cable, and it seemed ping is everything in promod.

 

Edit: Also I don't like what he did with kick. I know people bitch about kick so much, usually because they don't want to take the time to learn different ways and angles to use it, but to me he nerfed it. Front kick does damage but won't knock someone down while sidekick may knock them down but does no damage. I don't see the sense in that. Kick shoulda been left alone IMO.

[ksk h2o]

I think you need to gie promod some time before you judge it Fallen One, when I play, I play a darkie, and it is by no means useless. Grip is one of the deadliest forces in the game if used right, if I play against somebody new, it will only take me a second to grip him to stun him, circle round him and slash him down in one hit. Since most of the people I play with know this combo, it will be harder to pull on them but it still is very deadly. The reason people beat you in red stance is the trump system. Yellow trumps red, red trumps blue, blue trumps yellow. This will be reversed in 3.1. The saber combat is MUCH much better than vanilla, once you know what is what and how the system works. It does take all the randomness out of the game.

 

The reason kick was nerfed, is because matches would only last a second if it was left the way it was. People would kick, then kill you in a single saber swing. So basically it would be: wins who kicks the other down first. The saber is very deadly in promod, especially when your defenses are down (when your saber is not in front of you and ready to deflect attacks) one hit will kill you while draining, while on the floor, while using lightning etc, basically when you drop your saber to the side. It takes perfect aim to knock someone down and would be a nightmare if it didn't. Plus you need to turn your side to them, meaning be VERY vulnerable in order to be able to knock them down.

 

I used to pull-kick-throw everyone to death in vanilla bc, 1) you are invincible in the kick animation, 2) it is faster and does more damage than your average saber swing, 3) it can only be parried or out kicked by someone whos better than you, unlike your saber swings.

 

You dont really think about kicking much in promod because the saber is deadly, yes, yes, that glowstick has replaced your feet as the deadliest weapon in the galaxy. And you could get torn to shreads while you recover from the kick animation.

 

The first few times I played promod, it did frustrate me, being a noob again and being killed non stop by the average player is very irritating. But you just need to stick to it. Once you know how the stuff works, it becomes awesome. Dont judge the mod too fast, and dont expect to become as good as you are in vanila overnight.

[Unnamed Jed1]

<--- Elite type killer

 

Actually I think the only time I even swing the saber is when I see the "blue box of death" over someone's head...

[Break_dF]

Originally posted by Unnamed Jed1

<--- Elite type killer

 

Actually I think the only time I even swing the saber is when I see the "blue box of death" over someone's head...

 

lmao... so true. Actually, watching Lazarous and his "mad skill" in that Nut vs. Laz video was almost pathetic. If Lazarous is the pinacle of excellence in saber combat, promod is hard-pressed for decent players.

[.Templar.]

I'm on a low end DSL here at my moms and I don't ping as well as I do at home on my cable, and it seemed ping is everything in promod.

ping is everything in promod.

ping is everything in promod.

ping is everything in promod.

ping is everything in promod.

 

Amen.

[Syfo-Dyas]

Originally posted by davre_gamob

but if i go into a duel that does have weapons, but the guy says nw, i just blow his ass up with the biggest and baddest gun available.

 

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

 

That was brilliant!!!

 

I'm with ya, sometimes you gotta stick it to da man!!!

 

Rock on!

[C'jais]

Codes of conduct? Go with your common sense and what the general common sense of your fellow players is.

 

If a guy is standing in your way with a chat icon, I wouldn't feel sorry for killing him in CTF. Duel is another matter entirely. It all depends on the circumstances.

 

I won't expect people to nod/acknowlegde a fight's start, yet I do so myself. You could say I anticipate a nod/bow, but if he goes ballistic right from the beginning (in duel), I'll adapt and do the same. I won't stand dumbfounded and bitch, moan and whine about it.

 

"Saber down = peace" is pathetic. You already have the much better "Chat icon = please don't hurt me"-rule. You can be very dangerous even when your saber is down, and this rule shouldn't exist. Except if it's a server rule, in which case I'll gladly abide by it.

 

The rest of youe rules are just common sense, and I'll of course do that, but not if the general common sense is changed on the server.

 

What Fallen One said about the speed/red combo in Promod is scaring potential players away, including me. I hoped Promod would focus on normal saber combat, not simply include new ways of exploiting powers/bugs etc. Gee, what's the fun in getting hacked down by a guy using the same old red stance on speed?

 

After I've heard this, I'm either going to play Promod on NF, or no Promod at all. I want atual sabercombat, not crazy loonies fests with force being way more important than your weapon.

[zerowingzero]

Well as for that red/speed thing, i hardly see it used, and in FF, you have to expect people to use everything to their advantage.

 

Protect for lightside is extremely good, while draining and gripping a speed user will either force them to take the damage, or deactivate it. Besides, the forward hack has a extremely limited radious, so dodgeing shouldent be too hard unless they get you from the back.

[Moradivh]

Fallenone, I have to laugh in your face. You're being an idiot if you think that's all there is to Promod saber combat. A total idiot.

 

I play on Art's server as much as anyone else... more than most in fact. And I can tell you that the ONLY player I've ever seen using red chops and x3speed together SUCCESSFULLY is Mithrandir. And Lazarous sure as hell doesn't use it -- you pretty much never see Laz part from yellow stance.

 

Now, Mithrandir is admittedly dangerous, because his aim and timing is actually VERY good. Have you ever tried the tactic Fallenone? I have, plenty of times. And I can't do it like Mith, because it's so hard to time your charges so you don't go flying past your enemy every time.

 

Also, you seem to think Mith is the pinnacle of promod saber combat, and that his tactic is virtually unbeatable. And that is just stupid. There are TONS of better promodders who'd tear Mith to shreds 1on1, as well as rack kills faster than him in FFA.

 

Mithrandir is an extremely unusual case in promod. He spams a ridiculous tactic and actually does it well. That itself requires some skill, though I find it thoroughly boring. All stances in promod are dangerous if used correctly, and there are some VERY good saberists who use red stance, particularly in duel servers. But the best players on Art's server (and promod in general) primarily use yellow stance, practicing a myriad of different swings and combos, and only occasionally switch to red or blue in the right situation. I PROMISE you this is the case. Try fighting someone other than Mith.

 

Fortunately for you I haven't even seen him online for almost 2 weeks. So you probably don't have to worry about him anyway.

 

I swear, if you whine this much about Mithrandir, you're gonna go ballistic after a few more fights with Lazarous. I can hear the screams now.... "yellow is overpowered!" and "gunners are invincible!" And y'know, you might actually have a stronger case with these complaints. But to declare that Promod is all about red wood-chopping with speed is soooo stupid.

[Break_dF]

Originally posted by Moradivh

Fallenone, I have to laugh in your face. You're being an idiot if you think that's all there is to Promod saber combat. A total idiot.

 

I play on Art's server as much as anyone else... more than most in fact. And I can tell you that the ONLY player I've ever seen using red chops and x3speed together SUCCESSFULLY is Mithrandir. And Lazarous sure as hell doesn't use it -- you pretty much never see Laz part from yellow stance.

 

Now, Mithrandir is admittedly dangerous, because his aim and timing is actually VERY good. Have you ever tried the tactic Fallenone? I have, plenty of times. And I can't do it like Mith, because it's so hard to time your charges so you don't go flying past your enemy every time.

 

Also, you seem to think Mith is the pinnacle of promod saber combat, and that his tactic is virtually unbeatable. And that is just stupid. There are TONS of better promodders who'd tear Mith to shreds 1on1, as well as rack kills faster than him in FFA.

 

Mithrandir is an extremely unusual case in promod. He spams a ridiculous tactic and actually does it well. That itself requires some skill, though I find it thoroughly boring. All stances in promod are dangerous if used correctly, and there are some VERY good saberists who use red stance, particularly in duel servers. But the best players on Art's server (and promod in general) primarily use yellow stance, practicing a myriad of different swings and combos, and only occasionally switch to red or blue in the right situation. I PROMISE you this is the case. Try fighting someone other than Mith.

 

Fortunately for you I haven't even seen him online for almost 2 weeks. So you probably don't have to worry about him anyway.

 

I swear, if you whine this much about Mithrandir, you're gonna go ballistic after a few more fights with Lazarous. I can hear the screams now.... "yellow is overpowered!" and "gunners are invincible!" And y'know, you might actually have a stronger case with these complaints. But to declare that Promod is all about red wood-chopping with speed is soooo stupid.

 

Fallenone is owned again...

[Moradivh]

And another thing -- I'll admit that lightning sucks in a gunner fight, as does drain. But if you're good enough with your saber, it doesn't matter if you're dark or light side... See, grip has a faster cast rate in promod, making it even BETTER than rage, IMO. If you learn to use it as a stun weapon and slice your victim while he's gripped, the skill suddenly becomes EXTREMELY effective against gunners and Jedi. Gripping people off cliffs is another perk.

 

And finally, believe it or not, most Jedi on Art's server don't even use absorb, as mind trick and protect are better in FFA (again, Mithrandir is an exception). Absorb is probably used more in saber only matches, just like lightning and drain are suddenly powerful there... but this is no different from v1.04. Dark Jedi seem to do fine if they're patient with their force use.

[Moradivh]

Damn Break, you're cocky as hell. I wanna see you fight in promod. I've watched some of your vids and they're not bad, though I was bored with kick spams since 1.03 came out.

 

I don't mind getting schooled if it opens my eyes. I like seeing good fighters, no matter what tactics they use, so long as they're not total ****heads. Let's arrange a game sometime, if you have the patience to download the mod again from Art's server. By all means beat the living crap outta me, show me what an uber JO saberist is all about.

 

But if Mithrandir's wood chopping is giving Fallenone so much grief then it's hard to take him seriously.

[Doctor Shaft]

Lightside saber domination plus woodchop? Sorry, I don't care how late I'm coming in on the discussion, this simply isn't true.

 

Promod does not favor sides of the force for the lightsaber in anyway.

 

I play darkside all the time, and I use dark rage and lightning on full. Pretty useless lightning, right? Wrong. I thought it was useless too, but nowadays it's my bread and butter in promod. It creates such a distraction that people spend more time using their force powers to counter me or swinging wildly to keep me from using it, that it gives me an edge sometimes. And why i get in those few swings but it doesn't seem to do the trick, a quick spray finishes the job.

 

Force protect and speed? Switch to the appropriate counter stance, run backwards and block the whole thing. Just force protect coming at you? Easy, use drain if you have it and they just wasted all their force power. Or, if you have a setting like I do, it's spam time. Lightning the crap out of them. Force protect reduces damage, but for a thing like lightning, the trade of force power for reduced damage is a complete rip off. I've managed to 'negate' force protect or convince them to turn it off using this move every time.

 

Force speed gives you the rush down advantage. You get in their face quick, and with deadly promod damage and defense breaking, it seems really simple. However, simply by aiming correctly, walking backwards, and picking appropriate blocking stance, the maneuver is a complete waste of power. On top of that, dark side grip will just stop the maneuver in its tracks, forcing the player ot push you away, waste precious speed seconds, etc. And if you get your timing with swings right, they walk right into half of your moves, ending in their death, not yours. Their defense is terrible because their bum rushing you. However, this tactic is by no means lame or useless.

 

Promod, though most of the dissenters won't believe it, has a lot of deep things going on with force power usage. you don't need max speed, push/pull, rage and absorb to win. You can have a lot of level 2 powers with guns and still be an effective fighter. You can have mediocrity in a lot of areas, but those areas will effect how well you do. Even force lightning has a place in this game. It's not great against gunners, but whenever it comes down to that last point of health and their running, you can't miss with lightning.

 

And finally, through all my type crap, the darkside in promod is very aggressive. If you play passively, you will fail with the dark side. Just having grip and using it casually won't save your hide. You need at least two of the dark side skills to be effective in my opinion. One is your mainstay, the other as the back up, something to give you flavor. I have grip on level one. Useless against gunners unless I'm real close, but in saber battles where they don't let up, it's a good surprise.

 

In response to the kick change comment... double tap kick gave kick more range than lightsabers. I didn't mind kick that much ever, but it was still silly that it was actually easier to start kicking people in the face than it was to score with a saber blow. As it is now, I find it quite easy to use the one tap side kick, which if aimed correctly always gets a knockdown. Not hard, just a different timing, and thankfully not more range than red stance.

[Break_dF]

Originally posted by Moradivh

Damn Break, you're cocky as hell. I wanna see you fight in promod. I've watched some of your vids and they're not bad, though I was bored with kick spams since 1.03 came out.

 

I don't mind getting schooled if it opens my eyes. I like seeing good fighters, no matter what tactics they use, so long as they're not total ****heads. Let's arrange a game sometime, if you have the patience to download the mod again from Art's server. By all means beat the living crap outta me, show me what an uber JO saberist is all about.

 

But if Mithrandir's wood chopping is giving Fallenone so much grief then it's hard to take him seriously.

 

Heh, I'm not cocky, I just hate Fallenone. Well...here's the thing, I played promod way back when Art was first testing it. I played once. Fortunately, Artifex and Zerowingzero were in the server (duel server). I beat them a couple of times and decided promod wasn't for me. It seemed too much like a NF saber fight and...well...pretty boring. I'm sorry, but after watching Lazarous in the video, I don't think I could say many positive things about saber "combat." I may download it... I'm sure 1.04 dueling is more difficult though. Btw, I am a total ****head and that video you saw wasn't a good representation...more of a practice thing.

[Moradivh]

To be fair to Fallenone, Mithrandir uses absorb, so grip won't do a damn thing, or any other dark power. Have you ever fought him Doc? Mith's actually pretty dangerous, especially to baseJK vets who're trying promod for the first time... though he sure ain't the best I've seen.

[Moradivh]

K, I don't wanna lead this thread too far off-topic. We're supposed to be busting Brass's balls for writing an honor-code, not starting yet ANOTHER promod promotion thread... so I'll try to keep the posts shorter after this one.

 

Anyway Break, sorry I called you cocky, I musta misunderstood. But are you saying you've never even fought Lazarous? And the only gametype you tried was duel? With 2 players? And this was probably before grip, protect and the other forces were tweaked... no wonder it felt like NF.

 

I almost exclusively play FFA, and it's a totally different game in promod, especially when a server's filled with both Jedi AND gunners. It gets pretty wild, because the only way a Jedi can stand a chance against a decent gunner is if he uses EVERY force power at his disposal, and I mean constantly. Fortunately many of the formerly useless powers (like protect) have been buffed, so the Jedi has plenty of options. Even mind trick is terrific now because force sight doesn't automatically negate it-- you have to be looking in the tricker's direction. So the best Jedi use a force power every 5 seconds, at least -- constant speed, rage, pull, protect, grip, trick ... you name it.

 

Also, about the Nutri VS Laz vid... fighting a gunner 1on1 is a completely different experience than fighting a saberist. One solid medium swing will kill him, but if he's any good he'll be bunny hopping at ludicrous speeds and spamming all the increased-damage firepower that lvl 4 guns allow. So basically you haven't even SEEN Laz fight yet, except when against a gunner.

 

And about the opponents you fought: Artifex and ZeroWingZero are decent saberists, but I can usually out-kill Arti and at least draw with Z, and there are several other Promodders who could too. Including Lazarous, who can plaster any of us. I'm not saying he's the world's best, I'm not even saying he's better than YOU, but I'll be damned if you don't find him a challenge.

 

Anyways, I still wanna see you fight. If there's a depth to BaseJK saber combat that you find lacking in promod, something that can add to the concept of a fast-paced superhuman sword-fight without being repeated over and over and making the whole thing look silly, then I wanna understand.

 

So lemme know a good time, and we'll dance.

[Doctor Shaft]

I think I went up against Mithrandir like once or twice, and I know he did his move and nailed me with it. And he uses absorb too. Good move. However, when one person uses a powerful technique, you have to rely on a plethora of your mediocre ones. also, hypothetically, dark rage would work well in a trade off situation.

 

I've found that while dark rage used initially is useless against saberists in promod to an extent (unless they don't have max saber defense, not good at blocking, etc.), if used in between swings, or in the middle of an attack, it get be very surprising, and you're pretty invincible. So ther'es my hypothetical force counter to absorb woodchop. But you can't just turn it on, because any smart person would then proceed to block all of it and wait for rage to wear out.

[FK|FallenOne]

Moradivh, stfu. Jesus christ dude, you go off on me for stating my opinion of promod, WHICH I SAID WAS BASED ON LITTLE EXPERIENCE. Don't call me stupid and an idiot when you can't even comprehend the simplest of statements. FFS go smoke a doob you oversensitive @$$clown!!!!!!!!!!! Christ almighty. Sorry I don't like your precious promod. There is such a thing as freedom of opinions you mongoloid!

 

And I wasn't "whining" tard boy, I was responding to someone's suggestion that I try promod. Why don't you try reading, then comprehending before you post. What an *******.

 

And Break, just stfu....

 

 

 

THATS getting OWNED!!!!!

[Mex]

Ok now fallen one, you are getting to offencive and stuff now.

 

You are showing off, getting angry, you keep saying STFU for some reason, I am sorry I am going to contact an admin.

[C'jais]

Flanders, hold on, FallenOne does have a point - They were the ones who started saying he's an idiot and making unbased assumptions. I'd react the same way if it was me.

 

Check on both sides before reporting anything.

[Mex]

I already sent it because he has been offencive anyways.

 

In most threads he tells people to STFU like in breaks thread 'I got booted from a server'

 

He keeps on swearing and it is not acceptable.

 

And I think that chat killing is just basically dumb, you stand in a corner, afk and you are eating dinner etc, and when you come back, you have been lamed.

 

Do you know what I do to people who do that? I lame them till the banthas come home.

 

EDIT: And one more thing, FK|Fallenone remember this in the future. " Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me."

 

Take that into mind before swearing.

[GonkH8er]

Everyone needs to cool down methinks

 

 

Keep it nice and sweet fellas...

[Break_dF]

Moradivh, I'll dl promod...sometime. Fallen, what's the point? I mean, really....You know how many screens I have of raping your clanmates 1 on 1? There are alot of circumstances behind the pic that you neglected to mention. At that time, FK was a better TFFA team. Wooah, what a surprise. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that won't happen again. Remember, a team is comprised of more than one individual. YOU will never own ME...thank you. Sit down.

[Moradivh]

Fallen, I didn't say you WERE stupid. I said you were BEING stupid. A subtle difference.

 

In any case, I already explained to you about Mithrandir in another thread, and you still didn't get the message. You gave promod virtually no chance, and continued to publically bash something you know nothing about: in this case a great mod that's trying hard to stay afloat in a flawed game that's quickly going down the toilet. So I thought I'd point out that you're being a total idiot, just so nobody was confused or got the wrong idea.

 

Still, one thing I'll confess: I've been hearing the letters FFS alot online lately, and don't have a clue what they're supposed to stand for. I'm usually pretty good getting abbreviations but I'm lost there. Feel free to clue me in. I don't spend my entire social existence getting the latest keyboard shorts for online conversations.

 

Break: fair enough. But don't be so fast to choose sides until you see it from every angle. I swear, some people play this mod for 30 minutes one day and think they know everything about it. (pointing no fingers here... heh heh)