GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Ratmjedi Actually your wrong man. A while back someone posted a test about world knowledge and people were tested about it all over the world. One of the questions was which religion had more people and Christianity won and many people thought it was Islam. Just though I'd let you know. Actually, I believe that was quite wrong. There are millions of people in China and all throughout Asia who arent even counted in the population simply because noone knows about them. I don't remember missionaries travelling to China and spreading the word of god through the whole country (correct me if I'm wrong).... so that 3 billion or so people in that part of the world wouldnt be christian. In fact, I believe almost all are of either the same, or one of 2 religions. Then count in all the other religions, then the atheists. Christianity may have a large number of people, but I severely doubt it is THE single most popular faith. Perhaps it's just christian propaganda "Join us coz we am teh r0x0r. We am teh p0pul4r!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er then the atheists. I think this might be where the f*ck up occured. I'm guessing they simply counted all people in USA and western Europe as Christians, because it's the most dominant religion in those countries. I doubt they'd care to count all the Atheists in 'em, even though there are far more Atheists here compared to the middle east, India, Africa etc where most are probably very fundamentalist, with Atheism equalling social stigma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm trooper55 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I dont really know wot i belive in i dont belive in god or nuthign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 That's exactly what they would have done. "Yes, this country's all christian....... so's that one! and that one!" The christian faith seems to passed on mainly by A) Family. If your family is heavily christian, then its highly likely it will be put on you too B) Force. Missionaries...... going to countries, and basically telling cultures, who already have beautiful religions, that they are wrong, and shoving 'the word of god' down their throat. Their excuse? 'To better their quality of life and to show them the truth' I admit, there's a lot of people who join christianity because it appeals to them, but then there's the people who stay in it merely because they're afraid of what might happen in the next life if they don't. Damn.... this is turning into a debate again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I'm Christian Verses about Dinosaurs (You decide). Job 15-24 15 "Look at the behemoth, [1] which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! 17 His tail [2] sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. 18 His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. 19 He ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword. 20 The hills bring him their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby. 21 Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. 22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround him. 23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth. 24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes, [3] or trap him and pierce his nose? Foot notes said it could possibly be a hippopotamus or an Elephent however do they have tails that sway like cedar? Also, another guy mentioned Jehovah's Witness. Aren't they the guys that came to our house a couple of weeks ago and talked about aircraft safety lol. Also, Jesus did not arrive in 1886 nor 1918 as predicted. I have a video that has a guy who was high up in the JW hierarchy who was a very active member and spent his life getting there. When he did he was shocked at how the others viewed those below them and the religion itself. Not meant as an attack, just an opinon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by FunClown Foot notes said it could possibly be a hippopotamus or an Elephent however do they have tails that sway like cedar? Yes, elephants do. And where are all the meat-eating dinosaurs? And the ones that aren't behemoths in any way? What about the ice ages, do the Bible say anything about them? What if scientist could predict that there's going to be a new ice age upon us, based on research on the age of the earth? Argh! Christian people's ignorance and blind faith in a literal translation of the Bible and exclusion of anything God did not write in it is amazing. Why can't you just take the Genesis for a metaphor? Please? Pretty please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 To deny the occurance of a biblical "Genesis" creation is almost to deny the existance of a god. To say that he didnt just make it all as it said, btu rather, he sat back and watched it make itself is a tad silly. That would mean he had no place at all in it. He'd just be some guy who sit's in 'heaven' who sent his 'son' to Earth to 'die' for our sins, which we keep on doing anyway. What I've wondered is, if Jesus died for our sins, meaning that we can be forgiven for them, does that mean that everyone who sinned before Jesus died was sent to hell, no questions asked? They couldn't be forgiven? Because, if you say no to that, and say that they could be forgiven, then jesus' death was for no reason at all, as nothing would have changed from then til now. Or are we forgiven of a greater amount of sins now that he's dead? I'm really not clear on how this whole 'died for our sins' thing worked. Someone wanna straighten me out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 For instances where people have died without any knowledge of Jesus christ there's the purgatory I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 As in the place of judgement where you stand before God between heaven and hell and you are judged upon how you lived your life? That's quite a nice thought. I like it, but you'd have to be the absolute first christian I've heard to say that. I've always always always heard "if you don't believe in god, you go to hell, no matter who you are" I like you way of thinking, as it's good to see that some people aren't just blatently comdemning people to a fiery fate when they've never been exposed to the supposed 'truth' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterKoon237 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I'm jewish and we're supposed to belive in Jesus as a prophet, not the people's savior. I'm not very religous even though i did go to hebrew school for 6 or 7 years, and i do belive in god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by Break_dF WTF is your problem, blackdove?... I mean really...what is it? I don't have a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-s/<itzo- Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 <-----look its jesus everybody. why can't we all just all get along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove I don't have a problem Well I have a problem.... Heck, I've got tonnes of problems .. and everyone else here I know has problems... hell, rhett and matty are 2 of the most f-ed in the head people I know Maybe your lack of a problem is your problem? Now, BACK ON TOPIC before I whip you with my candy cane of deth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er To deny the occurance of a biblical "Genesis" creation is almost to deny the existance of a god. To say that he didnt just make it all as it said, btu rather, he sat back and watched it make itself is a tad silly. That would mean he had no place at all in it. He'd just be some guy who sit's in 'heaven' who sent his 'son' to Earth to 'die' for our sins, which we keep on doing anyway. Nononono, you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying that the Genesis should be taken as a metaphor, not a literal translation that conflicts with reality. Suppose "Let there be light" was a metaphor for when God sparked the Big Bang. What's wrong with this? You don't seriously believe that "God created us in his image" is to be taken literal either, no? Do you seriously believe that the "doors" from which the rain came (flood story) is to be taken literal too? So why not just extend that to other parts of the Bible as well? If you take the Genesis for a metaphor for what really happened, as science has now discovered, I'll leave you alone on this part. If you let any other than yourself interpret the Bible, I'm about to call you dim. It seems as if there's this guarding of certain aspects in the Bible that just cannot be interpreted any other way than what the majority decides. I'll let you in on a secret: This is exactly what happened in the middle ages. People let the authority decide how the Bible should be read. [edit] typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er Well I have a problem.... Heck, I've got tonnes of problems .. and everyone else here I know has problems... hell, rhett and matty are 2 of the most f-ed in the head people I know Maybe your lack of a problem is your problem? Now, BACK ON TOPIC before I whip you with my candy cane of deth. Maybe......naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....bleh and it seems you have a ton of people who are gonna get this back on topic anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by GonkH8er As in the place of judgement where you stand before God between heaven and hell and you are judged upon how you lived your life? That's quite a nice thought. I like it, but you'd have to be the absolute first christian I've heard to say that. I've always always always heard "if you don't believe in god, you go to hell, no matter who you are" I like you way of thinking, as it's good to see that some people aren't just blatently comdemning people to a fiery fate when they've never been exposed to the supposed 'truth' I'm not a christian, heh, I believe in reincarnation which is purely an opposite idea from christianism. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Well that's fantastic then that takes my count of compassionate christians back down to... hrmmmmm.... 0! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 <----christian but does not wish to run circles in a debate about it. To each his own. Love you guys whether you worship rocks, gods, devils or cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 *worships himself* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSaber-<ZeN> Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 "*Worships*" Worships what? Yourself? You big goof, your so vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Plo_Koon Posted January 3, 2003 Author Share Posted January 3, 2003 WOW! I go to bed, get up in the morning and there are two pages added to this thread! It seems like everyone is having a heated debate. Well, don't let me stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Break_dF Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Originally posted by MydnightPsion personally, i find christianity to hypocritical to believe in. too many contradictions in that book christians put so much stock into. and the book has alot of things based off of other religions in it. i'm not talking about judaism to the christians and christianity to the muslums. i mean if u read enough of the new testament, you can see things that are in the polytheist ancient egyptian religion, things like a holy trinity. also, skaterboy said that christians dont bug non-christians about joining their religion. bull****. i've been condemned to hell unless i go and revert to christianity on so many occasions by so many pastors and fathers or priests or whatever the **** that it makes me want to vomit. i've been condemned to hell by a girl who had a child before she was married with a guy she was cheating on her boyfriend with. if i went by the comandments, i'm in heaven, and shes going to hell. unfortunantly, i believe in neither of those places...them or indiana. so i cant goto any of em. skaterboy, no offense by saying what u said is bull****. i'm just stating from personal experience put 2 and 2 together, i'm not christian. i'm not atheist, i'm not budist. i'm not any kind of religion or non-religion. i'm me. i believe in that and only that. when i die, we'll see what happens I totally agree with you. Only death with tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 can't wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 i am a Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 about Genisis 'we will make them in our image' is the exact quote when 'God' decides to make man. Who are WE? who exactly is he refering to when he says OUR? Angels? thats to contradictatory. angels are not mentioned until far after Genisis. does this mean that 'God' is psychologically ill? or does it mean the guy who wrote the 'Word of God' was a damn drunkard who didnt pay heed to what the **** he was writing? personally, i wouldnt wanna backtrack through the whole bible to re-read Genisis after i learn about angels. and dont give me 'its common sense' bs because it isnt! a child learning the bible knows nothing of god or his angels so how does he know? seen all those Genisis things and i thought i'd toss that in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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