Kengo Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I was just thinking about this, and as I got a lot of free time today, I thought I'd post about it Basically, I was wondering if fellow mappers play other people's maps, be they MP or SP or whatever. Some authors don't like to read other books when they are writing because they fear they might copy them a little, without meaning to. The same is true for some actors and directors with films. You ever been asked to write a creative short story, and the only ideas you can think of are based on the book you've been reading? I was just wondering what you guys are like with other maps. I mainlky do SP maps, so I don't have a problem with downloading MP maps, but I have to admit the only SP maps I've got are ladder ones, which is a style of map I'm unlikely to use myself. Perhaps this situtation is also partly due to the fact there aren't many SP maps that have come out so far for JO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle_e7 Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I voted occasionally:) I do sometimes download maps but very rarely:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I play lots of other maps. I do this for a variety of reasons: 1) playing the same maps day in and day out gets boring FAST - new maps are a way to breath life into an old game 2) for mapping purposes - I see what works, what doesn't, and maybe get ideas for things i'd like to try. I don't worry about copying other peoples maps because i've got plenty of ideas myself, but sometimes looking at other maps can get those creative juices flowing 3) because I can appreciate the beauty of a well put together, creative map (but I think you have to be a mapper yourself to realize how difficult it can be to make some of these maps look as good as they do) That's about it. I was very dissapointed in the SP version of JO, and am looking forward to a couple of the TC's in progress, as well as Mace Windu : Party Crasher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kengo Posted January 27, 2003 Author Share Posted January 27, 2003 That's the reverse side of the coin I guess Aru, playing other people's maps can fill you with a fresh impetus to create some yourself. It also gives you an idea of just what can be achieved with the engine. It's also possible to learn from other's styles and techniques without basically emulating or replicating their style. I certainly agree that you can appreciate the skill and effort put into a map when you're a mapper yourself, no doubt about it I gotta say I loved the JK2 SP myself, but then I think it was just the saber fighting that did that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 Not Jk2 maps, there's nothing really worthy out there compared to most Q3 maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadriss Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I've only been mapping for a few months, really. (I dont think mapping for Duke Nukem 3d whe I was 17 and had lots of time and bad ideas count...) But I've constantly been looking at other peoples maps, MP mostly, simply for the factthat I still dont really know the full limits of the engine - by looking at what others have done, my eyes will kinda bulge and say "We can DO that???" and then, off I go, adding my own twist to it. As a mapper, I feel I almost HAVE to play others maps... if for no other reason than I would HOPE that others will play MINE. OK, I'm selfish. Are you really surprised? (Voted For Played a Lot Of Others Maps, BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DISorder Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 I said occasionally, when I see a good map come out, i'll usually play it, or if people are bashing the map at pcgamemods on their forums i'll d/l and try to back up the author of the map a little (aren't I nice? ). Mostly I dont play JKII very often, I will check out a new maps screenshots and as I stated above, occasionally play it, but JKII as a whole has pretty much got boring to me, right now I guess i'm just doing maps to get the experience for future games that I may map, plus its pretty fun to make maps (well, most of the time, curves suck, as Shadriss has mentioned before ). JKII had my attention for about 5 months, then I started mapping, then lost interest in JKII altogether and just started mapping for it, hopefully that's for the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Originally posted by DISorder well, most of the time, curves suck, as Shadriss has mentioned before Curves don't suck; you just have to know how to treat them (like a lady). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Judge Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 My vote is occasionaly. Mostly I look the screenshots and if I like it I download it to see how the whole thing is looking. I like SP maps better than MP, so if an SP map is coming out I definetely play it. Of course I can get ideas from other's maps. That's why I download most MP maps. To learn how a map can be detailed. How architecture can be not boring. After that I can make my own ideas on how to make something for my own map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lassev Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 My vote is occasionaly also. Although I do play most of the SP maps to some extend at least. But then, I play MP extremely rarely, yet I think I'm not wrong if I claim most of the graphically finest maps are in MP. Still, I demand a decent plot above all, and MP can hardly offer that in JO. Most of the SP levels didn't either have one, but then, they aren't made for me, so I can have no complain. But honestly, as Shadriss said, if I expect anyone to play my map (when it's finished), I also feel obligated to play other peoples' maps. And it can be fun, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeoffyouhoser Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 With me its occasionally. i only play Single Player Levels and have never downloaded, for JO, a mulitplayer one yet. And, of most of the SP levels i have played, i jsut get sick of the reborn fighting, so i normally don't play them all the way through. I mean, with that many Jedi's running around, why don't THEY take over the base from the Imperials in the first place!! The whole point with me is that the Star Wars Universe is a big place, which is why i'm going in a different route... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kengo Posted January 28, 2003 Author Share Posted January 28, 2003 I have quite a few MP maps downloaded despite the fact I hardly ever play MP (except ProMod - get it now!), architecturally some of them are just amazing and certainly better than anything seen in SP yet. I think Anchorhead is my fave, I wonder why that has been the only SAGE map so far? I'd like to give it a go...but it looks kinda difficult (if not, why only one?). Some MP maps like Anchorhead would make amazing SP maps actually, they really would. I really think there are gonna be some great SP maps on the way, with some of the great mappers from JK moving across to JO, and a lot of people who have been top JO MP mappers moving to SP. Am I right in saying it took a fair while for the JK/MOTS SP mapping to really take off? As much as kicking bots to pieces in MP is fun (with promod - get it now!), I don't think you can beat a good SP level personally I know some people say the ladder levels aren't a good thing, but I have to say I have enjoyed them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wudan Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 I'm glad you enjoyed the Anchorhead Saga map - I think it's pretty cool too. It took a long time and a lot of work, too, I think that's what I like best. AotC has a few maps that are on that level - with full saga planned. I for one would like for there to be a solid, strong mod to JK2 that we all can play, with a complete new line of maps that are all on the same level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kengo Posted January 28, 2003 Author Share Posted January 28, 2003 Originally posted by wudan AotC has a few maps that are on that level - with full saga planned. I for one would like for there to be a solid, strong mod to JK2 that we all can play, with a complete new line of maps that are all on the same level. That is such a set up man, I heard that ProMod and AoTC are gonna kinda merge, hence you got that mod you mentioned I look forward to more SAGA maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marth Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 I have to download maps for jk2, they are part of my daily downloads. I just had two bottle of techilla, my wife doesn't know im here, are any of you girls over 18? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Originally posted by AB_Legion Not Jk2 maps, there's nothing really worthy out there compared to most Q3 maps. I agree somewhat as there are some awesome Q3 maps who's detail is yet to be rivaled in JKII. Here is a link to some examples of what the Q3A mapping community has released. http://www.planetquake.com/bighouse/q3topten.asp JKII maps are getting better, but the ones from the link above show what the Q3 engine is capable of without the "lack of framerates" problem all the current highly detailed JKII maps suffer from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFA_StealthMan Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by Shadriss As a mapper, I feel I almost HAVE to play others maps... if for no other reason than I would HOPE that others will play MINE. OK, I'm selfish. Are you really surprised? Nuff said.(I would say the same. Not to sound like a copy cat) "ROGER! ROGER!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yangyan Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by Kengo I was just thinking about this, and as I got a lot of free time today, I thought I'd post about it Basically, I was wondering if fellow mappers play other people's maps, be they MP or SP or whatever. Some authors don't like to read other books when they are writing because they fear they might copy them a little, without meaning to. The same is true for some actors and directors with films. You ever been asked to write a creative short story, and the only ideas you can think of are based on the book you've been reading? I was just wondering what you guys are like with other maps. I mainlky do SP maps, so I don't have a problem with downloading MP maps, but I have to admit the only SP maps I've got are ladder ones, which is a style of map I'm unlikely to use myself. Perhaps this situtation is also partly due to the fact there aren't many SP maps that have come out so far for JO. Pretty stupid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takeoffyouhoser Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 i jsut think comapring the q3 and JO design is a bit wrong. An Imperial Outpost isn't going to look Gothic.. JO is a bit more real-world than Q3, so the design reflects that, IMO All i am doing is making a belivable, TO SCALE, 3d world. I'm going with more a Red Faction kinda design, or Half-life, with my Rodian Base instead of the Star Warsy sleek, sterile look.... if people are going to bitch at me because of it, thats fine.... The Q3 maps are nice, for what they are, but its not Star Wars.. Maybe for some Evil Jedi Lair or something yeah, but, its jsut two different games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by yangyan Pretty stupid question. I think it's a pretty intelligent question, and it's something that I've often wondered about myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kengo Posted January 29, 2003 Author Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by yangyan Pretty stupid question. You have a right to your opinion....but ever thought of explaining them? I think what you said was silly. I will say no more, it isn't needed right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunBurN Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 To be completely honest, I've only downloaded and tried out a small few since I've been working on my maps. Since my compiles take so long to do, I make changes to a map, then I set it to compile and leave it alone. I really feel guilty if I'm on the computer playing other games and I'm not working on my map. Mainly because I want to finally finish it! Also, I have both the Xbox and Gamecube and so they've fulfilled my gaming cravings. I guess when I finally release my maps, then I'll probably start a new map, play some online JO, Counterstrike through Steam, and I'll give Battlefield 1942 a try since I have the retail box just sitting there on my shelf and I've never even opened it. I also need to finish Command and Conquer: Renegade and Soldier Of fortune II among other games. Anyways, now I'm rambling.... SunBurN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kengo Posted January 29, 2003 Author Share Posted January 29, 2003 I know what you mean, ever since I started mapping, particularly if I'm deeply involved in a project, I have found it hard to get into other games. I got 4 or 5 great games I haven't finished, but I seem to spend a lot more time mapping than playing them! I have to say there are some SP WIP's I am really looking forward to, and that I will download and play as soon as they come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wudan Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by Kengo That is such a set up man, I heard that ProMod and AoTC are gonna kinda merge, hence you got that mod you mentioned I look forward to more SAGA maps. But ... we were working on a strong MP game before the ProMod thing! Seriously! It was already going to be team-based saga! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kengo Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 Originally posted by wudan But ... we were working on a strong MP game before the ProMod thing! Seriously! It was already going to be team-based saga! Yeh, I'm just kidding ya I guess one of the reasons Promod (get it now!) merged with the AOTC project was that it already had a great MP set up, infact, I'm pretty sure I read Artifex having said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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