nova_wolf Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 With war imminent, it suddenly occured to me that it had been a year or two later, which lets face it, is becoming not much of a period between wars these days, I could have been on active service in the Royal Navy. I am doing Electronic and Software Engineering for my Uni degree, and that will make me a popular guy with employers, but I am intent on joining the Navy and becoming a Syetems or Weapons Engineering officer. I little later, and I could have been involved in this ****, frontline aboard a carrier! My gf friend is currently doing her basic training now, and she could have ended up out there (again - she's joined in a technical role) I know some medics who are going the Forces way in life. What about you guys - any of you, or anyone you know privately tahnking whatever deity or spirits they believe in for the timing (sounds sick, but you know what I mean...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 My cousin is at West Point in his senior year. They won't take him because its to late. Good thing he waited a year before going to college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Don't forget about the lovely draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Don't forget about the lovely draft. That won't happen unless something extremely bad happens. Right now with the all volunteer military we have the best Army we've ever had, and alot of that has to do with the fact that everybody who is there now wants to be there. Forceing people into the military is a bad idea. A draft is the worst case senario. One of my best friends is in the Marines and is going to ship out in the next couple weeks. While I worry for his safety, I'm proud to have him in there since he's truely one of the best. May god continue to bless them in the upcomming conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by Toonces Forceing people into the military is a bad idea. A draft is the worst case senario. We have draft in my country. It's not such a bad thing - the whole idea being that every male being in our country above the age of 20 can handle a gun if the situation calls for it. It's not about mobilizing an army quickly, or spending your life in the military. It's about getting the minimal training required to defend your country if we're ever invaded. All it takes is a few weeks of re-practice, and we've got an sizable force of about 2 million people who can handle a weapon like soldiers and takes orders as soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 You've missunderstood me. I'm all for a some type of basic military training program for people between 18 and 20. (or pick a different age) But this should be kept seprate from the regular Military, and just provide the same basic training that you speak of. What I'm completely against is forcing people into serving overseas, or put into combat situations. Organized Civil Military service however is a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 C'jais, draft as in they force you to go to war even if you're 15... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 This is quickly turning into a debate, perhaps this thread should be moved into the Senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast C'jais, draft as in they force you to go to war even if you're 15... 15??!?!? Who? Where? Draft is draft is draft. Draft is when you're called to serve the military. You're getting the word mixed up with conscription. Yes, there's always the potential that the international brigade (which is voluntary) are sent on overseas missions. Sounds just like your army. But the way things work in my country, is that you can actually refuse to serve in the military, if you don't feel like killing people. Granted, you'll be forced to find a job and pay it off (like my father did - a custode on a museum), but at least you've got the choice. You can also luck out, since it's not important that each and every 18 year old male in our country gets in the army - they randomly dismiss some people based completely on a lottery system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by Toonces This is quickly turning into a debate, perhaps this thread should be moved into the Senate No we were just clearing things up. Oh ok C'jais I see waht you mean now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast No we were just clearing things up. It's all good, I'm just reminding everybody to keep Politics and serious debate in the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Well, I used to be in the Reserves, and had I stayed in it I would quite possibly be part of a force sent to fight in this war. My brother joined at the same time as me, and has since moved on to the regular forces, so if there is a war there is a VERY good chance he'll be involved. So it's hits quite close to home for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 This won't be a war, this will be a cleaning exerscize... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by BlackDove This won't be a war, this will be a cleaning exerscize... I dunno cause we will have to fight in cities and fire on cities and since we don't want to kill any civilians then it will be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 nova_wolf, i dont know where you live. But in Canada military engineers are very very well paid and are quite recognized world wide. Even though our reputation apparently is of having a ****ty army. Our engineers are top quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb Starblazer Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Actually Jackel, we're known worldwide as having a great army. Well, the people who actually know we have an army anyway:D Canadian soldiers are some of the best trained in the world, on par with the U.S.A's, Britain's and Germany's. We just have a whole lot less;). Canada has great soldiers, great equpiment, but a s***ty military budget. As for the "war" it'll be a lot harder fought than some people believe. We can't just bomb them after all, as this war will take place mostly inside cities, not mostly in the desert like the last Gulf War. While inevitably civilians will be injured/killed, it will be significantly less than if we just "nuked em". This will be urban warfare, fighting in Iraq's own turf, which is an entirely different type of war in and of itself. The very landscape is your enemy, buildings WILL be booby-trapped, civilians WILL attack incoming soldiers, and Iraqi soldiers WILL use their knowledge of their own cities to their advantage. Which is exactly why I'm hoping my brother doesn't get sent off to Iraq, but if he does, I just hope he comes back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 yea, that usin their turt to their advantage is a definent thing. but try and remember that our military has techincal do-hickeies that the Iraq's dont gots *NVG an GPS for example*. albeit, i'm bettin atleast 50 american casualties, which always sucks, but it will be pretty much a clean out. its too bad George W. is completly psycotic and trigger happy and will probably go nuts with it. he wants to put democracy in every country around the world, which is definently not a good idea. if he keeps this bs up, he'll end up goin psycho on China cuz their Communist government and whatever. i'm tellin ya, George W. is a total nut case and shoulda been locked in a nice white room when the death count in Texas penatentaries went sky rocketing. that and the only reason he won was: 1: daddy's name 2: brother governer or whatever of Florida...hmm... Gore for 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova_wolf Posted February 3, 2003 Author Share Posted February 3, 2003 Im one of those stiff ass Brits you guys love so much I know that engineers are well paid in the Forces (why you think I wanna join!) but more somin te Navy - the ships, Fleet Air Arm, Marines, amphibious equipment of the Army occasionally. I am also not a great fan of Bush, but not quite as vehemently as MydnightPoison it appears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 actually im fairly sure that Bush won due to him having more electorial votes. Yea, war always hits home with someone doesnt it, my family hasnt been involved with any war since Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfmanNCSU Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 I am not in any military service other than registered for draft. However, I have a huge number of friends in the military service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJackal Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 MydnightPsion: A war with Iraq will resulte in a LOT MORE DEATH than "50 Americans". And Al Gore isn't running for president in 2004. he droped out of the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 Originally posted by Reb Starblazer Actually Jackel, we're known worldwide as having a great army. Well, the people who actually know we have an army anyway:D Canadian soldiers are some of the best trained in the world, on par with the U.S.A's, Britain's and Germany's. We just have a whole lot less;). Canada has great soldiers, great equpiment, but a s***ty military budget. As for the "war" it'll be a lot harder fought than some people believe. We can't just bomb them after all, as this war will take place mostly inside cities, not mostly in the desert like the last Gulf War. While inevitably civilians will be injured/killed, it will be significantly less than if we just "nuked em". This will be urban warfare, fighting in Iraq's own turf, which is an entirely different type of war in and of itself. The very landscape is your enemy, buildings WILL be booby-trapped, civilians WILL attack incoming soldiers, and Iraqi soldiers WILL use their knowledge of their own cities to their advantage. Which is exactly why I'm hoping my brother doesn't get sent off to Iraq, but if he does, I just hope he comes back... You mean, Canada has an army? Sorry, couldn't resist. I wouldn't mind going in the army. I would be fighting for my country, and it would be an honor. However, I don't know if I would join voluntarily, but if I got drafted, I wouldn't mine. We will all die someday. Might as well die fighting for good..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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