ShockV1.89 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 he grounded me for losing a fight Please understand that I mean no disprespect when I say thats messed up, big time... and it depends where the person was, crosswalk (your fault), intersection when YOU have the right of way (their fault), middle of block (you have the right of way, again their fault) pedestrians don't have a lot of options when it comes to crossing the streets, 90% of the people i see crossing streets do it illegally Actually, the rule in driving is that pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way, and unless they dash out in front of you from behind a tree or something, it will always be your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by munik I use to drink and drive a lot, don't do it so much anymore. That's because I don't usually go out barhopping and the like anymore. But only once, just once, did I believe I was to inebriated to drive. But you gotta get home somehow, and it was all backroads, so I drove about 30mph and pulled over frequently so the passengers could puke All the times I drove after drinking, I know my reaction times were slower then normal. I know my judgement was skewed. But hey, you gotta get home somehow. I've also drove when I was very tired, and to this day I still sometimes nod off behind the wheel. But hey, you gotta get to where you're going, usually regardless of your physical state. Drove stoned as well, same as driving drunk. Out of all the times I was driving under the influence, I was more worried about getting pulled over then getting into an accident. I wasn't driving at the top of my game, but I was more then able to maintain. Drinking doesn't automatically equal loss of ability to drive, it just means you won't be able to drive as well as you would if you were sober. But anything could effect your driving skills, lack of sleep, not paying attention to the road, daydreaming, etc. Now, most of these drunk driving accidents are caused by people driving recklessly, when they should be driving conservatively considering their decreased ability to drive well. Or, people who are damn near too bombed to walk, yet they decide they should drive. Bad choice. munik, you're a badass, i like your last two paragraphs the most: Drinking doesn't automatically equal loss of ability to drive, it just means you won't be able to drive as well as you would if you were sober. But anything could effect your driving skills, lack of sleep, not paying attention to the road, daydreaming, etc. you said it perfectly, you and Quendi are the only people who know how it really is for the people who are driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 Please understand that I mean no disprespect when I say thats messed up, big time... messed up for him or me? i think he grounded me for the fight in general, but still, he made fun of me for losing one, then got mad when i won (or just fought in general again) he's hypocritical, i've learned to live w/it, and he also favors too, so i don't like him as much as i used to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 Drinking will affect your driving, in general. So what if some of you are able to maintain control of a car at 120mph with 17 beers in your belly. Fine. But don't start preaching that anyone can do this. Because not everyone can do this. Most people do not know how to gauge their alcohol consumption against their driving skills. Sure, they can take the plunge and see what happens, and for most, probably not much happens and they get home safe. But they're still affected, and all of a sudden, a drunk person in a car is going into a driving situation where his lowered reflexes will mean the death of someone. Munik, I respect you for your ability to control your drugs and risks that you take, but not everyone can do this. Drunk driving will always lead to death in the end, no matter how many good experiences you've had with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by munik Drinking doesn't automatically equal loss of ability to drive, it just means you won't be able to drive as well as you would if you were sober. But anything could effect your driving skills, lack of sleep, not paying attention to the road, daydreaming, etc. But by driving when drunk you are putting your own and other lifes to great risk. This is not an opinion, but a fact. You say that it's just as bad to daydream when driving. But do you know that alcohol is involved in 50% of all trafic accidents? Surely, the amount of people who dies in trafic because of daydreaming is much lower. It's simple: If you ever drive when affected by alcohol, you are not responsible enough to drive a car. Putting your own and other (innocent) lives at risk because you just couldn't stay away from the bottle, is really sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by ZDawg I cant help but asking... I thoght people Like you dont believe there is Evil in the world? What do you call killing somone else even if you think your just putting yourself in danger? There is no evil evident in this. It's a truly horrible accident that's sad beyond words, but The Evil had nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by ep2 Anakin the point i was/am trying to make is, not everyone is the same when it comes to alcohol, people handle it differently, and they act differently, you shouldn't be so quick to judge when you don't know everything about everybody's personal experiences when they have been drinking in the past. alls it does is show you're quick to judge someone because of the general population. p.s.- one beer won't show up on a breathalizer, you could fake that;) and it depends where the person was, crosswalk (your fault), intersection when YOU have the right of way (their fault), middle of block (you have the right of way, again their fault) pedestrians don't have a lot of options when it comes to crossing the streets, 90% of the people i see crossing streets do it illegally Every bit of alcohol you consume affects you in a small way. One beer, no matter how tolerant you are, has a little effect, and if a person were to dart in front of you, and were you completely sober and paying attention you could quite possibly swerve to avoid them. But under the influence of alcohol your reflexes are slowed. It's a fact, proof, real, you cannot debate that. And that .05 seconds longer it takes for you to react because of the alcohol in your system could mean another person will die. And i believe somebody alreayd pointed out that pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way. And it is ALWAYS your fault if you hit them unless they dart in front of you. And almost all people who drive drunk think that they drive as good if not better than some people who are sober, until they cause an accident. I don't drink, haven't drunk, and probably will never drink. Not because of what was on that website, but because I am personally against drinking. In the town I grow up in your coolness is basically measured by your alcohol tolerance, and i've seen too many stupid drunks to EVER want to be like that. I also choose not to drink because I am always thirsty, and it's no big deal for me to drink 5-6 glasses of water at dinner, so if I were to drink alcohol i know there is a good chance i'd drink too much, and i don't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 I am in no way encouraging anyone to drink and drive. As I noticed the thread was flooded with posts admonishing anyone who would drive under the influence, I just wanted to point out that it isn't a black and white situation. Shock, I know about DD's. Usually use one now, or I don't get myself into situations where I would have to drive drunk. My reckless days are way behind me. What I explained was what I did when I was younger, the consequences of my actions and whatnot have caught up to me since then. Age wears away the invincible shell of youth. Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn But by driving when drunk you are putting your own and other lifes to great risk. This is not an opinion, but a fact. Driving in and of itself is a dangerous act. Riding in a ton or two of metal moving at 60mph is a risk. You say that %50 of all accidents involve alcohol. Source please. Maybe you could also compare that to how many people drive under the influence but don't get into an accident. You don't know how many, nobody does. So you can't just assume that driving under the influence means you are going to have an accident. There are shades of grey in this discussion, not just black and white. Once again, I am not encouraging, nor do I advise, anyone to drive under the influence. It is not a safe thing to do. But ultimately the choice is up to the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 The choice should not be up to the individual when the greater whole can be put at risk by the wrong decision. If Joe Shmoe is the only person on the east cost driving, then I suppose it could be just his decision. But there are other people on the road that have no control over his actions, but may very well pay the consequences of his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Yes, but you can't stop someone from driving drunk before they do it, only punish them after the fact. This isn't Minority Report. That is what I meant when I said it's an individual choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 What happened to that girl is absolutely tragic:(IMO, it doesn't matter how much alcohol you have had before you drive, whether it's a pint or a gallon, you're still breaking the law. These laws are there to ensure people's safety. You start to disregard these laws and something bad will happen. It doesn't always happen, I know, but the risk is very high. Some people will just never learn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 er.....that link is taking me to a weird Norwegian porn site! :confused: r u guys all looking at porn?? can someone give me the proper link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Divine Spirit er.....that link is taking me to a weird Norwegian porn site! :confused: r u guys all looking at porn?? What in th... *scratches back of head* Yeh..... the link is surely gone..... Sorry man, I really have no idea what happened to it.... All I can say is that I got it from another forum - maybe there are some weird timeout problems associated with such linkage? Mysterious as a package of cornflakes in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais What in th... *scratches back of head* Yeh..... the link is surely gone..... Sorry man, I really have no idea what happened to it.... All I can say is that I got it from another forum - maybe there are some weird timeout problems associated with such linkage? Mysterious as a package of cornflakes in hell. oh well, no worry. i suppose i can just...er....browse this site for a few minutes or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Divine Spirit oh well, no worry. i suppose i can just...er....browse this site for a few minutes or something You could pass the time waiting explaining to us what the hell your avatar is supposed to resemble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Umm, let me guess. A tool to induce seizures? If not, it seems like it would do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki GM Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 well if the conversation is switching then I wan to point out one last thing all of you people that are against drinking a little and driving say DRUNK like saying if you drink 2 beers and go driving you are a drunk driver whereas we people who know what were talking about say DRINKING because that is all that 2 beers can be called plus all the people that are against a LITTLE drinking and driving are also the people that say I never have and never will touch a beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by Quendi well if the conversation is switching then I wan to point out one last thing all of you people that are against drinking a little and driving say DRUNK like saying if you drink 2 beers and go driving you are a drunk driver whereas we people who know what were talking about say DRINKING because that is all that 2 beers can be called plus all the people that are against a LITTLE drinking and driving are also the people that say I never have and never will touch a beer Can you even talk about this? Are you even legally able to drink? If you can't, you really don't have any idea what you're talking about. I'm all for drinking, but if I don't feel comfortable driving even after ONE beer, I'll find a ride home. A few weeks ago around here 3 teenagers in a car had just had a few beers, drove 75 mph over a bridge, jumped the divider onto the opposite side - the teen driver of the car lived, the 2 other passengers died, the woman going the opposite direction they crashed into was killed, and they wounded half a dozen others. Now, that 17 year old has got to live with the guilt that he killed 2 of his friends and some poor guy's wife. I couldn't live with that kind of guilt. I'm not saying that every time someone has something to drink and then drives that something like this can happen, but it's people like you with your attitude, not taking it seriously, that make it such a big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine Spirit Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais You could pass the time waiting explaining to us what the hell your avatar is supposed to resemble. hehe, sorry if its bothering you. ill tune it down a bit! its actually from the front cover of London Calling by The Clash - its probably one of the most famous rock photographs ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki GM Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 first of all why do you think that im not old enough to drink without any proof??? second of all you are pritty much just repeating things that have been said in here before teens get drunk go driving and people die it happens everywhere no big suprise we live we die thats the way it goes ufortunatly enough p.s. you where right Im not old enough to drink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Originally posted by Quendi first of all why do you think that im not old enough to drink without any proof??? Perhaps it could be your amazing writing skills and obvious lack of world experience. second of all you are pritty much just repeating things that have been said in here before teens get drunk go driving and people die it happens everywhere no big suprise we live we die thats the way it goes ufortunatly enough I dare you to say this after someone you're close to dies in a alcohol related accident. This just shows your lack of world experience again. Only the young can afford to have an attitude that cavalier. p.s. you where right Im not old enough to drink You don't say? That doesn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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