Luc Solar Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Yeah...the ultimate question (I realize this is a touchy subject, but let's not turn this into a flaming-contest.) Ok: Is sex only meant for reproduction? Let’s take a normal(?) guy like me. Let’s say I have sex twice a week. Let’s say I stick with my wife for the rest of my life and have 2 kids with her. I’d end up having sex simply because of the pleasure it gives me...about than 6.000 times. The ratio here (reproduction/pleasure) is 0,0003 to 1. Does the Bible regulate sex? Sex for pleasure = sin? Whether or not it is ”safe” or happens before/after marriage is not the point here. And if casual sex is not a sin, where does the God draw the line? Is S&M a sin? What about pooping on someone? Use your imagination…I’m sure you get my point. And if sex is okay, who’s to say what is allowed and what’s not? During certain times only the Missionary-style was accepted. Is that what the Bible says? No ”tricks”? Thou shalt not spank? And does sex = intercourse in the eyes of God? We all know there's lots you can do with your pants on. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 *runs away* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 If sex was indeed only meant for reproduction, I'm absolutely sure that it has never been practiced that way. In all marriages, no matter how pure and saintly, I think sex plays a role beyond merely making kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Bonobo monkies routinely engage in sexual intercourse as well as other sexual practices for pleasure and relationship building. That would indicate that in nature, sex is accepted in non-reproductive instances. Their sexual practices include homosexuality, oral sex, and the use of objects for sexual pleasure (masturbation). Bonobo monkies have never been observed engaging in sex as aggression (rape), but rather for what appears to be improving relationships. Female Bonobos appear to strengthen friendships between one-another by engaging in various forms of lesbian sex. This also helps them counter dominance by male Bonobos. I think that one has to look at sex not as good or bad, when not for reproduction, but rather the ethics involved in comparisson to societal norms. It is unethical in most societies to engage in sex with anyone who does not consent, is exceedingly young, unable to make decisions for themselves, etc. Many would argue that it is wrong to engage in sex without protection from disease and pregnancy, and common sense dictates that if you don't put a raincoat on and end up with a child, you are 50% responsible for that child's well being. SkinWalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Lord have mercy To quote Monty Python, "Every sperm is sacred" Every one has the potential to create life, and to waste them on self-gratification is the sin. Besides, studies show that Catholics who wait til marriage have more and better sex than your average person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 How do they know it is better if they have no other experience to compare it to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar Ok: Is sex only meant for reproduction? No it is meant for pleasure also BUT as the Bible says, ONLY WITH THE PERSON YOU ARE MARRIED TO. Thats the only time I believe and the Bible says you can have sex, whether for reproduction or for pleasure. Originally posted by Luc Solar Does the Bible regulate sex? Sex for pleasure = sin? Whether or not it is ”safe” or happens before/after marriage is not the point here. Actually that does matter. In the Bible, sex for pleasure BEFORE marraige IS SIN. Sex with YOUR WIFE for pleasure is NOT sin. I think the only regulation the Bible has sex is do things that you both agree on. Don't force your wife to do something she doesn't want. Originally posted by Luc Solar And if casual sex is not a sin, where does the God draw the line? Is S&M a sin? What about pooping on someone? Use your imagination…I’m sure you get my point. I don't see how pooping on someone consists as sex. See my above response. Originally posted by Luc Solar And if sex is okay, who’s to say what is allowed and what’s not? During certain times only the Missionary-style was accepted. Is that what the Bible says? No ”tricks”? Thou shalt not spank? Where did you hear about the "only the Missionary style" thing? That is untrue. The Bible doesn't talk about positions. See my response 2 things up. Originally posted by Luc Solar And does sex = intercourse in the eyes of God? We all know there's lots you can do with your pants on. Umm you can have oral sex with your pants on. Anything that involves the genetials can be considered "sex." Kissing is not sex. I am allowed to kiss my girlfriend if I'm not married to her. But I can't give her a hand job because that would be sin because I'm not married to her. Just my $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Sex with your wife is fine. Doing it constantly may not be healthy phisically but I suppose it's fine. other than with your wife it's wrong. And I suppose that is were God draws the line. Based on my knowledge of the BIBLE that is what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmolatedYoda Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 ::walks out from underneath rock:: ok...is this the wrong place to ask what "S&M" is? back on topic, i think that sex is meant for pleasure and also for reproduction. perhaps its because im an atheist and have never read the entire Bible, but i think that God should have no say in it. however, i also think that abstinence should be observed until you find THE someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 back on topic, i think that sex is meant for pleasure and also for reproduction. perhaps its because im an atheist and have never read the entire Bible, but i think that God should have no say in it. however, i also think that abstinence should be observed until you find THE someone. just asume for a moment that if God did exist, do you still think he should have no say. That's like playing the game the sims but having no say in what thier house looks like or what possessions they can and canot use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 ill go with choice A bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by ImmolatedYoda ::walks out from underneath rock:: ok...is this the wrong place to ask what "S&M" is? Good question to ask, as you can't really infer the meaning from context. Sadism & Masochism. It's sort of like kinky sex I guess. Sadism means they derive sexual pleasure from recieving or inflicting pain. The word comes from Marquee De Sade, a twisted gentlemen who has written some interesting works. Check them out sometime. Masochism means someone derives sexual pleasure from humiliating, or being humiliated. A situation would be one person is dominated, and the other is the dominator. Originally posted by Reborn Outcast I am allowed to kiss my girlfriend if I'm not married to her. But I can't give her a hand job because that would be sin because I'm not married to her. It's a sin to give a tranny a handjob, unless you are married to her/him ? Dude, I'm pretty sure that topic is not covered anywhere in the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi_Monk Lord have mercy To quote Monty Python, "Every sperm is sacred" Every one has the potential to create life, and to waste them on self-gratification is the sin. Besides, studies show that Catholics who wait til marriage have more and better sex than your average person Um...you just said sex for pleasure bad, and then that Catholics who wait have more and better sex. Thats sex for pleasure. I dont really like insulting people, but someone has to let you in on it. You're an idiot. And as far as sex for purposes other than procreation being wrong, its stupid. Sex isnt a sin because sins are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by munik It's a sin to give a tranny a handjob, unless you are married to her/him ? Dude, I'm pretty sure that topic is not covered anywhere in the bible. I'm just giving an example. I'll do some more research on this and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime-Light Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by Lime-Light lol Such spam. C'jais please do something about this. Munik what I meant was, giving someone a hand job is simulating sex, therefore I believe it is wrong as does the Bible. Oral is simulating sex, sloppy thirds and all that are simulating sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Ah here we go, Matthew 15 18-19 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. Romans 13 12-14 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature 1 Corinthians 6 17-19 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; Ephesians 5 2-4 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. Oh and there's a lot more where that came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 well who said a handjob is immoral? i dont remember hearing anything about a handjob being immoral. not to mention did god say it, if the bible said it how you know its true, maybe the dude made that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted February 12, 2003 Author Share Posted February 12, 2003 Personally, I think anything that get's you aroused is sex. If you get off by licking a salmon, then that is sex for you. The "marriage thing" or "only with thy wife"-thing is not the issue here in this thread. It matters when talking about sex in general, but since we already have a thread about that, I wanted to avoid repeating it. I don't see how pooping on someone consists as sex. You'd be amazed of what sort of things turn people on. Ever heard of "Golden Showers"? If not, use your imagiation. Where did you hear about the "only the Missionary style" thing? That is untrue. The Bible doesn't talk about positions. You're right (I suppose). The Bible says nothing about that, but as the name of the position implies, our Christian missionaries have had something to do with it. It was (is?) taught to infidels as the only acceptable way to have intercourse. (Don't want to know how the missionaries found out that they needed to teach this to locals. ) This is a bit beside the point, but I think it is much MUCH worse to kiss a woman (other than your wife) than grab her butt or whatever. I feel kissing is worse than a handjob. Sex with your wife is fine. Doing it constantly may not be healthy phisically but I suppose it's fine. Sex is great for the relationship and it affects your health in a positive way. There are countless researches on the subject. Have lots of sex and you live longer and stay healthy. It's exercise for the body and the mind. On the other hand we do have "studies" that show masturbating and doggy-style sex causes hair to start growing from you palms, you go deaf, blind, impotent and sterile. Now... you can't talk about sex. No-one can know that you have done it. Be quiet so that no-one hears. Hide all evidence of what happened. That's just common (religious?) courtesy...right? I think religion must keep it's hands off sex. (Other than the marriage-thing). I don't see how religion could regulate it. Sex will always(?) be seen as something dirty, something sinful in the eyes of God. All I believe God can say is: don't do anything that you both don't want to. Anything that goes beyond that is just silly. Thou may wiggle this but not that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted February 12, 2003 Author Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast Matthew 15 18-19 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality...... Nice quotes BUT the whole point of this thread is, in fact: What is sexual immorality? That's the whole problem. What's is ok, what's not? Obviously we are not free to do whatever we want according to the big book, right? What I'm saying is; there's no way any religion can satisfactorily regulate sex. It's impossible...unless the rule is: "do whatever you want" or "sex is for reproduction only". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Um...you just said sex for pleasure bad, and then that Catholics who wait have more and better sex. Thats sex for pleasure. I dont really like insulting people, but someone has to let you in on it. You're an idiot. Self gratification as in masturbation (where there's no chance of procreation) and casual sex where contraceptives are involved (where there's little chance of procreation and no openness to it). You have too much sex with too many different partners and you're playing Russian Rulette, that's a fact. You can have as much sex as you want (in the context of marriage), but you must allow for the possibility that life will be created. It's less stressful and therefore better sex because you don't have to worry about the condom breaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 You're lying if you're trying to say you've never beat the meat. Anyone who forces a man to not do it as well as not have any sex until marriage (which could be as late as his 30s, depending on the person) is asking for one pent up, frstrated, easily pissed off guy. I'm sorry, religion aside, it's simply biological. Men have needs that need to be released from time to time. If they dont, they get a little wiggy on you. And for you 13-14 yr olds out there... dont try to comment on the above statement, you're simply not old enough (trust me). (you know, this could explain a lot of violence that occured in the past. Religion kept men from releasing their tensions in any way, shape, or form... so they went buggy and waged wars instead) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 its been known that pented up sexual feelings lead to rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 You're lying if you're trying to say you've never beat the meat. Anyone who forces a man to not do it as well as not have any sex until marriage (which could be as late as his 30s, depending on the person) is asking for one pent up, frstrated, easily pissed off guy. I'm sorry, religion aside, it's simply biological. Men have needs that need to be released from time to time. If they dont, they get a little wiggy on you. Its ok to do that. If someone else does it to you and your not married to them, thats when it becomes wrong in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 but then you miss out on all the fun;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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