leXX Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Originally posted by Shotokan aye aye captain.. agreed am i Agreed with what? Care to expand on that thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted April 9, 2003 Author Share Posted April 9, 2003 Originally posted by leXX Agreed with what? Care to expand on that thought? lol... Why didn't Qui-Gon accept the death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pnut_Man Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Well if we accept the beliefs and differences of this "Living Force" and "Unifying Force", Qui-Gon did not envision his death seconds before it happened, therefore he was surprised when Maul jabbed him. Qui-Gon accepted the ways of the "Living Force", while Obi-Wan taught and most likely acknowledged the teachings of the "Unifying Force"- "Which binds the galaxy as one" (He spoke of words like that to Luke in ANH) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted April 9, 2003 Author Share Posted April 9, 2003 "and binds the Galaxy together." he said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurryKing Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Apparently the coming back as a qhost trick is a special trick only Jedi can perform and it is something that has to be learned, at the time of Ep 1 & 2 none of the living Jedi know this trick so thats why no one has ever appeared as a ghost before. It is possible that it something Qui Gon learned (possibly due to the different way he used the force) and he may come back in episode 3 and tell Yoda/Obiwan how to do this. Anakin may have become 'one with the force' due to the fact he is a child of the force and the chosen one. Of course i could be talking out of my a** but i did read something about it on a Star Wars spoiler site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted April 18, 2003 Author Share Posted April 18, 2003 Anakin became a "force-ghost", because he returned to the light side just in time! I think, that many of these answers have changed my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 i dont see why "becoming one with the force" should be reserved to jedi? i mean, why couldn't sith have that option as well. didn't the emperor do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 The sith don't become one with the force because they maintain their individuality after death. A jedi can only manifest as a force ghost a few times before they "dissipate" and become completly One with the force. The Sith on the other hand never "dissipate" and can manifest and even control the behavior of living beings centuries after their death. I've collected this info from several souces, but that's what I love about Star Wars, fitting all the peices together. In the Thrawn trilogy, we learn that Obi-Wan can no longer manifest to Luke and help him. From Dark Horse Comics and the Wizards of the Coast RPG we learn about Sith ghosts manipulating entire planetary governments. I haven't read the Cloned Emporer books yet, so I don't know how that fits in with the other sources yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 well, it sounds good to be a sith from that respect anyway. i do hope that GL will put a sith "ghost", like mual or someone in the next movie, i think it would be cool IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted May 4, 2003 Author Share Posted May 4, 2003 But what would Maul do in Episode III? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Payne Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 A rematch with Qui-Gon's ghost . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 What are they gonna use? Harsh language? XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted May 5, 2003 Author Share Posted May 5, 2003 Hi Lynk, haven't you just become a mod? Congrats! Yes, they would use harsh language! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by Echuu Shen-Jon But what would Maul do in Episode III? take revenge on obi-wan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted May 7, 2003 Author Share Posted May 7, 2003 Okay...An evil force-spirit against a living Jedi? What would Maul use? Like Lynk said: Harsh language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Yah, force spirits have no direct power over the living. They can't interact physically with anyting, and none of their physical force powers work. No pushing, no lightning, nothing like that. They can however, effect the livings' mind. An evil sith spirit could 'huant' obi-wan. But, with his Jedi training, he could easily ignore it, and fight back with his own powers. Its sort of like having the little devil on your shoulder telling you to do something wrong. They can't actually make you do anything against your will, but they can try to convince you that you should do something, or think a certain way. Not a very good plot device in an action movie. But it worked in the comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rive Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Originally posted by Echuu Shen-Jon Okay...An evil force-spirit against a living Jedi? What would Maul use? Like Lynk said: Harsh language? Yeah, I've got to agree with Random on this one, Maul could always do an Exar Kun and come back as a spirit and train other force-sensitive potentials as Sith and use them to attack Obi-Wan. I dunno, the possibilities are endless. But yeah, regarding the whole "coming back as a ghost" thing, I remember reading somewhere that Obi-Wan was able to appear as a ghost in front of Luke because he'd set a "psychic anchor" in Luke's mind before he died, which gave him a way to stay in the real world as such after death. I also seem to remember there being a way for the "linkee" to sever that link as well if they want to. Unless I'm getting this confused with some other story I read somewhere about something completely different. Which is entirely possible, I have to admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Darth Rive, I can't remember if it was the Core Rule book or the Jedi Sourcebook (in WotC's SW RPG), but in it they say that a Jedi Spirit can only manafest a limited number of times. By nature, the Jedi dissipate into the Force when they die. They loose their identity and mix with the rest of the Force. However, some can manafest a few times, but it becomes more and more difficult to maintain their individuality each time. In the beginning of the Thrawn Trilogy, Luke is pondering why Obi-Wan no longer visits him. My guess, is that after the years that have passed between ROTJ and those books, Obi-Wan is no longer an individual spirit, but literally one with the force, part of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 could anyone else see obi wan's spirit besides luke and yode who were trained force users. i mean at the end of ROTJ it doesn't seem that anyone could see the 3 ghosts or in ESB han didn't see obi on hoth. is it only force usere who can see the "ghosts"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 Yup, because they affect their minds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 According to the new WotC RPG rules, Jedi sourcebook: Manifestation: As nonphysical creatures, Force spirits cannot affect or be affected by anything physical. When they manifest, they remain nonphysical, but Force-Sensitive characters can hear them. A Force-user with the Sense feat can see Force spirits. (this explains why Luke didn't SEE Obi-Wan untill ESB) The Force spirit cannot choose which characters present can see or hear it, however, A Force spirit can appear to anyone it likes - even dark side characters - but it is not required to manifest. A manifested spirit can still use {certain non-physical} Force powers... A Force spirit is visibile an audible to other nonphysical creatures whether it manifests or not. So you can't destroy one without your own force powers. They can only be seen or heard by force sensitives. They can appear to any force sensitive they want. Other Spirits can see and hear them. They still have use of some mind affecting force powers to use on other spirits or living people. Elsewhere in the book it explains that light siders can only manifest a few times before they dissapear completly. It explains that being an individual personality is contrary to the Will of the Force and they don't do it often. They only remain apart from the Force if they have something important that's unfinished (like training a padawan or deliver wisdom). This explains why Qui-Gon didn't dissapear like Obi-Wan and Yoda did. Qui-Gon didn't have a reason to stay apart from the Force. His padawan defeated Maul, and promiced to train Anakin. So, he could die without needing to remain seperate from the Force (Like Obi-Wan did in ANH, to help Luke train). It may be a stretch, but in one of the non-filmed scripts, Yoda was going to appear as a Spirit and help Luke fight Vader at the end of ROTJ. Yoda didn't really need to become a spirit to help Luke. Maybe he was planning to help Leia if Luke fell to Vader. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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