Jedi Apprentice Posted April 11, 2003 Author Share Posted April 11, 2003 Originally posted by dark jedi 8 BTW, Jedi Apprentice, your new sig pic is awesome! Thanks dark jedi! I think this is one of those subjects that you can take it how you want to. I like you take it that he was a master, but there is also the information that points to him being just a knight. So I think it's almost a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Of course. I mean there's no real evidence to completely prove either side of the argument, so it's just down to personal opinion in the end, what you think might or might not have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegietto Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 i think he was a jedi master because he was pne of the last ones and plus he was a great jedi knight in ep. II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Skywalker Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Originally posted by Darklighter How do you know that Obi-wan didn't take the Jedi trials after TPM? If that happened, then he would've passed and earned the rights to train Anakin, thus granting him a Jedi Master. I suppose that you've haven't seen TPM when you placed this thread. In TPM Yoda gives to Obi-Wan the status of Jedi-Knight and he's allowed to train Anakin SKywalker. And when does Luke Skywalker becomes a Jedi Knight? In ROTJ you hear Chewie tell Han that Luke has become a Jedi Knight. So why don't make a thread and discuse when Luke became a Jedi because he didn't finished his training when he left Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi Skywalker And when does Luke Skywalker becomes a Jedi Knight? In ROTJ you hear Chewie tell Han that Luke has become a Jedi Knight. So why don't make a thread and discuse when Luke became a Jedi because he didn't finished his training when he left Yoda. yes you're right, luke dosn't actually become a jedi knight until the end of ROTJ when he saves vader. when he says to yoda "so i am a jedi knight" yoda "one thing remains.. you must confront vader" or something like that so it goes back to what i said sometimes they use 'jedi knight' as a collective noun... like when obi-wan tells luke his father was a jedi knight, eventhough anakin turned to the dark-side before completing his training. also like the beginning of Ep I says '....secretly depatches two jedi knights' refering to qui-gon and obi-wan, who we know was only a padawan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Skywalker Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 You're right. It comes around the same way every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorus Ardel Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 Well, Obi-Wan was a Jedi Master..I don't know what you all are talking about, but he was. At the time (Episode 4) Yoda and Obi-Wan were the only remaining Jedi Masters in the Universe. When both of them died, Luke Skywalker was then the only remaining Jedi Master. You can read any book or watch any movie regarding Star Wars, but I guarantee you he was a Jedi Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Skywalker Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 Originally posted by Jorus Ardel Well, Obi-Wan was a Jedi Master..I don't know what you all are talking about, but he was. At the time (Episode 4) Yoda and Obi-Wan were the only remaining Jedi Masters in the Universe. When both of them died, Luke Skywalker was then the only remaining Jedi Master. You can read any book or watch any movie regarding Star Wars, but I guarantee you he was a Jedi Master. The point is WHEN DID OBI-WAN BECAME A JEDI KNIGHT!!!! I don't doubt he was a Jedi Knight but when he became it no one knows!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obiwan80 Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Well Obiwan did kill sith in the end of episode I, maybe that was enough show of skills so the jedi council made him jedi knight. Yoda gives him the rank of jedi knight before guigon funeral, so obiwan didnt have to taka part of trials. I think obiwan is still knight in episode II, but he could be master in episode III, only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 didn't yoda and the council grant him the status of jedi knight at the end of TPM? anyway, officially he wasn't a master, but if the jedi were around during the time of ep.IV then obi would defenately have been qualified to be a master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 I didn't read all the posts here, just the last few. But here's my take based on what I've read in the novels, comics, and RPGs. Obi-Wan was granted Knighthood at the end of TPM. He didn't go though any official Trials of Knighthood. But this isn't uncommon. Many times, padawans become knights when they show the skills requred while on a mission with their master. Once a padawan becomes a knight, they can then take on a padawan of their own. Once that padawan passes their tests or are granted knighthood, their master is granted the Master title. By being able to train a knight, the master-knight has demostrated the skills to be a Master. So, Obi-Wan isn't a Master in title during ATOC. He's just called master as a sign of respect. Like when the Naboo Council called Anakin, "master." Not untill Anakin becomes a Knigh should Obi-Wan become a Master in title. That leaves the question, Does Anakin ever achieve Knighthood before his fall to the darkside? And by that answer, does Obi-Wan ever officially become a Master? I feel that he's earned the title as Master by EP4, he just didn't have a padawan to train, since they were all purged by the Empire. But hey, that's just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echuu Shen-Jon Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 He was a knight (we saw that in the end of TPM, padawns can't train other Jedi!), but if there had been a council at that time, he would SURELY be a master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 What about the fact that at the beginning of Episode 2, Palpatine asks if Padme can be under the protection, like an old friend, like Master Kenobi. Now correct if I am wrong, but also on Kamino, he is referred to as Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi. So, with the destruction of the Jedi Ranks through the Empire, Obi-wan had to go into hiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obiwan80 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 if i remember correctly anakin says obiwan is as powerful as mace windu in some point episode II. But i still think he is only knight in episode II, because if you compare mace windus skill to obiwans mace looks better. Obiwan still has a lot to learn. But in episode IV i think obiwan is master, he has become one with force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 What he says is "I am grateful for being his apprentice. He's as powerful as Master Windu, and as wise as Master Yoda." But this was before he saw the true Dark power of Dooku. But then again, Vader probably will end up killing Dooku, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 as i understand it, the trails are like overcoming a personal fear or something this is what i think obi-wan is given the title jedi knight after he kills maul, losing qui-gon was obi-wan biggest fear but instead of letting the fear defeat him he overcame it and eventually beat maul. that was obi-wan's trail luke's trail was to face vader and destroy him... yoda told luke he would have to defeat vader before becoming a jedi knight (even though through the whole of ROTJ he calls himself a jedi knight, which again goes back to the point i made before about honorary titles) now luke suceeds in destorying vader, by helping him turn back the light-side and anakin skywalker. so luke becomes an actual jedi knight when anakin kills the emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 actually... yoda said luke had to (i can't remember the exact line) confront or face vader. not destroy. i think it was face... And for God's Sake! Do any of you people actually read the previous threads and links? In my first post in this thread I answered the question with this link!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macbeth2k1 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Hey, there's our answer, and we're all stupid. Thanks pbguy1211. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 well i posted it the first time i posted in this thread.... but some of you decided not to look at the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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