razorace Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 That would be great if people all had the same opinion on the game but they don't. You'll get confliting answers for every issue. Sides, the game is %60 done, they're too far along to be able to make major changes and still make their release date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by razorace That would be great if people all had the same opinion on the game but they don't. You'll get confliting answers for every issue. Sides, the game is %60 done, they're too far along to be able to make major changes and still make their release date. Of course people will have different opinions. The point is what is right for gameplay. Weak sabers, random flechette fire are a couple examples of what is not right for gameplay. This is why I would research extensively, take into account all the feedback from everyone willing to provide any and give special note to the more reasonable responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Isn't determining what's "right" for the gameplay very subjective? I can understand you sending in something that has a group of players group opinion on it (with signatures) but to send something in as claiming it represents a large percentage of the players isn't honest. Actually, the group with signatures idea is pretty good. If you can come up with a statement that I can agree with, I'll sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSbrLogan Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 See the thing is we arent trying to change the gameplay of a gametype we dont enjoy playing. we arent sitting around complaining about how sabers are too powerful and that if i want to use fists i should be able to kill someone that is using a saber against me. that is specifically what saberists are doing to gametypes outside of sabers only combat. that just is not right. it would be one thing if they actually intended to use weapons other than the saber when playing in an all weapons enabled server but they dont. then they get mad that you are using other weapons enabled by the gametype. whats more than that is that they then go complain to raven and raven listens to them, ignoring the competitive community who did not feel a need to complain about anything until it was too late. if saberists want to play with sabers thats fine and i encourage them to, since it would keep them and their rpg attitudes out of my gameworld. but on the same token dont try to plunder my gametype simply because you cant compete or are a saber junkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pds.silentsoul Posted April 5, 2003 Author Share Posted April 5, 2003 well, what i've seen so far is not 1 post in total disagreement with this thread. this is obviously fantastic and Raven NEEDS to see this and realize that if people disagreed with us they would have said something. The competitive community is obviously what will keep teh game going, and encourage future players to buy the game. Hopefully raven will realize that the "saber newbies" are a minority of gamers. So far this has been an excellent discussion. Thank you all for taking the time to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSL_Mortis Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 I have to agree with most of these guys. The Jedi Knight series is one of my favorites. The integrated force powers and the lightsaber add to the game like no other game has before. However, i find that an unfair emphasis on the light saber is used. I think the saber is a great/fun weapon, but the game is still a First Person Shooter. All i am asking is that you consider us gunners into this next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 So am I getting a yay or nay for working on a gameplay document? Let me mention that this will be for MP only of course and mostly geared towards gameplay rather things like saber hilt choosing etc... just the 'pure' gaming aspect so to speak. Although mixed feelings are being sent about wether Raven would even look at this thread what to speak of an entire design document for gameplay - I am completely serious to starting this if everyone (interested in improving the game from Jk2) can read what will be on the document and can (in an orderly fashion, as much as possible ) voice their opinions on the certain sections, all will be taken into account. Having said that, I must admit it'd be good (not to mention really helpful and informative) to know what Raven has in store for us in this sequal as well as what they intend to add or not add from our given comments and opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oasisfan Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 You get a yay from me Legion. \o/ hehe Ok well, how about in team games, ie ctf/tffa/cty, a script that makes different people put together each round instead of team stacking. Plus a max difference of 1 so the game wont lose it's flow. And yes a better zoom on the disruptor is a good idea. Zoom in/out function as well. It is a bit definitive if you cant zoom out ,after u zoomed in, again I agree pretty much everything that is said on demo-ing. Watching 650 mb on demos just for a great shot that happens in minute 19.34 seconds is very boring. So plz a forward/rewind/pause/stop button. Most of the posts are very subjective but it is all in the best interest of the game...so... Regards, Oasis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4ulo Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Yeah do it. I think we are all talking bout MP, i personally didnt play jk2 single version till the end (i am now) cause i started playing the MP one too soon and started enjoying it. I dont mind how the single version would be and i think its pointless to tell them how to do a single version game, i ll play it anyway as long as its different from the other titles Btw was it possible to change the POV in a already recorded demo with q3 engine? (it was possible with quake 1) edit: Yes to choose the right gameplay is very subjective, but there are lots of things we can point that were wrong in jk2 that could be changed and make it a lot better. And we are talking bout an fps MP in order to play in ladders. If the game doesnt require any skill at all ppl dont feel like playing it, and game will die fast. Im not saying that sabers should be removed from the game, but for instance remember an MP CTF game sabers only, its so boring.. ruins the ctf concept of fast teamwork action mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 You also get a Yay from me. Raven should pay attention to the thread and i've seen Chang floating around lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapNut Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 who f'n cares about guns in jk, people buy this game for something different, there arnt many games where u can kill each other wich a saber/sword is there? the majority of servers are Saber only if u havnt noticed, thats cos sabers are more fun than standing back and shooting someone hoping to hit them, im not saying guns are bad on MP games, just thay suck in JK. Games like delta force adn the up comming PlanetSide are games where guns are realy good cos they involves skill over a large area, but jk is a small map and the gun abbility gameplay is poor, so sabers rule. That my oppinion anyway, im not saying your wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Thanks for your opinions folks. Firstly, I'd like to wait till more people agree before starting. Secondly, where would you prefer to access the document? In a seperate thread or on a webpage which I can link to from here? I think it seems abit redundant to create a new thread where we have this, yet perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necrosis Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by SlapNut who f'n cares about guns in jk, people buy this game for something different, there arnt many games where u can kill each other wich a saber/sword is there? the majority of servers are Saber only if u havnt noticed, thats cos sabers are more fun than standing back and shooting someone hoping to hit them, im not saying guns are bad on MP games, just thay suck in JK. Games like delta force adn the up comming PlanetSide are games where guns are realy good cos they involves skill over a large area, but jk is a small map and the gun abbility gameplay is poor, so sabers rule. That my oppinion anyway, im not saying your wrong. No, but I'm saying your wrong. In case you haven't noticed, the whole saber world in jk2 had NO competition. Sure, there were clans, but what did they do? They sat in pubs all day doing "honourable Jedi Combat". Compare the "saber world" of jk2, to q3. Which do you think is more popular? I think the reason jk2 CTF was so interesting was because of the force powers. Sure, some of them were inbalanced, but it was nice to have something different in there. The saber allowing to block incoming shots was also pretty cool. I know I would not have made alot of caping runs w/o my saber. Sure, the saber is important in a Star Wars game. But I think these things need to be fixed so that some more of the gunning people from q3, cs ect, would want to come play this game. I myself am a very competitive gamer, and I know I would get bored by repetive saber battles. Btw, you get a "yay" from me also . I see no harm in doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necrosis Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by SlapNut who f'n cares about guns in jk, people buy this game for something different, there arnt many games where u can kill each other wich a saber/sword is there? the majority of servers are Saber only if u havnt noticed, thats cos sabers are more fun than standing back and shooting someone hoping to hit them, im not saying guns are bad on MP games, just thay suck in JK. Games like delta force adn the up comming PlanetSide are games where guns are realy good cos they involves skill over a large area, but jk is a small map and the gun abbility gameplay is poor, so sabers rule. That my oppinion anyway, im not saying your wrong. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alarm Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by SlapNut who f'n cares about guns in jk, people buy this game for something different, there arnt many games where u can kill each other wich a saber/sword is there? the majority of servers are Saber only if u havnt noticed, thats cos sabers are more fun than standing back and shooting someone hoping to hit them, im not saying guns are bad on MP games, just thay suck in JK. Games like delta force adn the up comming PlanetSide are games where guns are realy good cos they involves skill over a large area, but jk is a small map and the gun abbility gameplay is poor, so sabers rule. That my oppinion anyway, im not saying your wrong. haha, you obviously havent figured out how to aim yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetR- Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by SlapNut who f'n cares about guns in jk, people buy this game for something different, there arnt many games where u can kill each other wich a saber/sword is there? the majority of servers are Saber only if u havnt noticed, thats cos sabers are more fun than standing back and shooting someone hoping to hit them, im not saying guns are bad on MP games, just thay suck in JK. Games like delta force adn the up comming PlanetSide are games where guns are realy good cos they involves skill over a large area, but jk is a small map and the gun abbility gameplay is poor, so sabers rule. That my oppinion anyway, im not saying your wrong. HELLO I AM A GUNNER I CAN STILL ENJOY THE GAMEPLAY OFFERED BY SUPER MAGIC ABILITIES KNOWN AS FORCE POWERS Logan narrowed it down in a sentence. I understand you like to play sabers and have duels etc. But guns are a totally differen't level then saberists, so please respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by Necrosis agreed Please try expand on that thought. Originally posted by alarm haha, you obviously havent figured out how to aim yet alarm: He had a totally valid opinion and wasn't giving off remarks about how we can't play with sabers. That comment was uncalled for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoshi Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Legion my team and I (BF) will help you however we can. I wanna see this game be the best ever and draw on all sorts of crowds. If we talk enough Raven will have no choice but to hear us, and hey, they changed the game once for the worse by listening to the whining saberists why not change it for the better by listening to the people that actually know what they're talking about and spend alot of time around the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapNut Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 sure i respect all your oppinions, i just like sabers cos there different and involve more skill (even though i suck) i barly kill anyone but i enjoy whaling it around like an idiot, jk was made for the saber and i like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contender Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi220 Personally, I highly doubt we can change what Raven is doing this far into the game. I mean, they've got a lot of it down, and may not be able to go back and do some of the things we want. Yes, but it can't hurt trying. As you can probably tell, the CTF Community has been far less vocal on these forums, just look at the post counts for instance. This is a great thread for getting our opinions expressed, and if that document actually gets created, there's a great chance of making a better game. I'll express my opinions when I have a little more time to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTRiTiC-iQ Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 go ahead and write that document, but make sure you include a link to this thread (after the flames have been removed naturally), that way there is proof behind your document that a lot of people agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pds.silentsoul Posted April 5, 2003 Author Share Posted April 5, 2003 hey legion, being the thread starter, *pats himself on the back*, i'll help you create this document if you wish. also i am totally for its creation. its not too late for raven to change the game. we aren't asking for a total graphical overhaul. we are just asking for simple tweaks to the game really. for instance to change the rocket speed, i imagine, is only a few or maybe 1 line of code. and, if raven doesn't realize to change this stuff they will have created a product that a lot of ctfers/tdmers will not play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Nice one Legion. Me and mine are with you all the way. Personally though I think that JO tournament-winning players and only JO tournament-winning players should be used as late beta-gameplay-testers by Raven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Or people that got beat by spider al in tournaments...? I think should try flattening out the glitches early on and beta testers would probably do the game really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoshi Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 God what a retard... you really can tell that pG is all made up of 15 year olds. Can someone delete that post and ban him plz? thanks p.s. just so alot of you guys know we TWLers flame each other ALOT... it's just a joke to us and we never take each other seriously so dont take Logan seriously either cause that's just what he's used to doing. Retry on the other hand... anyways whatever just delete his post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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