C'jais Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 High school hazing injures 5 girls ‘Powderpuff’ football game erupts in violence in Illinois NBC NEWS AND NEWS SERVICES GLENBROOK, Ill., May 7 — A “powderpuff” touch football game that was an annual hazing tradition at a suburban Chicago high school turned into a muddy brawl that left five teenage girls injured, authorities said. OFFICIALS AT GLENBROOK North High School and police were reviewing videotapes and photographs of the incident, which occurred Sunday, to identify the participants. Police indicated that criminal charges could be filed. Officials at the 2,100-student high school told the Chicago Tribune that the fracas occurred off campus, during what they said was an annual hazing ritual in which seniors would square off with juniors — all of them girls — for a touch football game. The younger girls, who were charged $35 to $40 apiece and were provided with jerseys, said they were expecting some form of mild hazing during the contest but instead were hit and spattered with pig intestines, fish guts, blood and smelly trash, four girls who said they attended the game told the Tribune on condition of anonymity. “It was supposed to be a friendly initiation into our senior year,” a 17-year-old told the newspaper, saying she required stitches after being “hit over the head with a bat or a bucket.” Advertisement ‘SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME!’ In a videotape of the incident obtained by NBC affiliate WMAQ-TV of Chicago, senior girls are seen pouring paint on juniors, rubbing what some said was animal manure in their faces and forcing them to swallow what were reported to be animal parts. “Someone please help me! Can you please help me?” one of the girls is heard crying. Glenbrook District School Superintendent Dave Hales told the Tribune that one report said “human excrement” also was thrown at the juniors. In a study conducted in 2000 by Alfred University in Alfred, N.Y., 48 percent of students nationwide said they had experienced some form of hazing. The study recommended that school administrators adopt written guidelines on hazing and establish a strong disciplinary record. But Glenbrook North Principal Michael Riggle, who said alcohol contributed to the violence, maintained that the school could not be held responsible. “The problem that we have is it always takes place in an area that is not on our campus, and it’s not school-sanctioned. Our students even try to hide the location,” Riggle told NBC News. In addition to the girl who required stitches, one girl suffered a broken ankle in the incident. Three others were treated for bumps and bruises, school officials said. More here. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 senior girls are seen pouring paint on juniors, rubbing what some said was animal manure in their faces and forcing them to swallow what were reported to be animal parts. I pray silently they weren't Hindus or anything:o. I also feel no need to know specifically which parts. This whole thing reminds me of those high school graduates ("Russes") who shot at middle schoolers at a school with water rifles filled with pee.. ugh. IMO, the only thing that can be done is to bring teachers, parents, and/or security guards to the games. This is downright horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted May 11, 2003 Share Posted May 11, 2003 I was surprised that 48% reported that they had experienced hazing in high school. I had never, ever experienced it, nor had I ever heard of anyone in my school going through it. Still, I think it's pretty messed up. Hazing is ok if it's done in good fun. I mean, something like wearing a goofy t-shirt al day or dying your hair some nasty color, that's allright. But paint and animal parts? Against their will? Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotokan Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 That's just mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Jack Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hazing is a big part of some of the little rituals in the U.S. Military. There is something similar called a shell back ceremony in the Marines and Navy. When a group of us has crossed the equator we have a shell back ceremony lots of unpolite and nasty things happen. A lot like was described above in the article. After words you get a certificate that you have gone from a "poly wog" to a "shell back" it's a little silly, but oh well. If you don't like being hazed than don't participate in things were it's going to happen. If you do deal with it, get over it, and move on. There has probably been people that have goon threw worse things than them poor little girls ........ Not that I would know anything about hazing or getting hazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Yes, my grandfather said that when he joined the military, they had to have bed and room inspections and the older guys would come in and ruin their beds right before they inspectors came in. So one day he just knocked one out with a punch and told the commanding officer and the guy got in trouble. Many more things were done to him in the Army but he always fought back and didn't let them happen to him. This gave the other guys confidence to stand up to the older cadets and recruits and finally the hazing stopped all together. But, this is a terrible incident. How people can bring themselves to do this kind of thing is amazing and sickening to me. I don't care if they were drunk, at least one of them should have had enough common sense to say, "stop." And I just read that the school is pursuing legal action but the students will be allowed to remain in school for that time because "it was out of the school districts jurisdiction." I hope these kids get sent to boot camp or something because what they did is sick, real sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XWING5 Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 I have been through some hazing (extremely light, and fun in the end) and I have heard of hazing on our college campus, but this is just downright disgusting. I am all for "initiations" as I see it as just something that has always been around and usually does not result in serious injury. However, that whole thing is just inexcusable. None of that sounds either fun or acceptable to a normal, rational person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 If you don't like being hazed than don't participate in things were it's going to happen. If you do deal with it, get over it, and move on. There has probably been people that have goon threw worse things than them poor little girls ........ Not that I would know anything about hazing or getting hazed. I'm so glad you care. But now you must die. Look, you can have initialization pranks as long as they are harmless. Stuffing animal parts into someone's mouth and making them swallow it is not harmless. And I just read that the school is pursuing legal action but the students will be allowed to remain in school for that time because "it was out of the school districts jurisdiction." I hope these kids get sent to boot camp or something because what they did is sick, real sick. No matter if it's inside or outside school, that's illegal. Let the law handle it, not the school administration (although they definetly should have a say in it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle No matter if it's inside or outside school, that's illegal. Let the law handle it, not the school administration (although they definetly should have a say in it). Yes, that's what I'm saying. BUT, I think the school should suspend them or something, not just from sports but from actual school time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Yes, that's what I'm saying. BUT, I think the school should suspend them or something, not just from sports but from actual school time. Agreed. After all, it's a school-related incident carried out by students against students. It might be off-campus, but the school decides how to punish people who misbehave at field trips, right? So why not at off-campus football games? What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 These girls voluntarily went to this annual hazing tradition event. They knew what it was, and they chose to participate. Yeah, it sounds like they had an awful time, but how much fun do you expect to have at an annual hazing tradition event? In the hypothetical, if hazing happens in the military, it is unavoidable. If a supposed hazing ever happened to me, it quite possibly could have been because I did not have the option to refuse it. These girls, who are only in highschool, who are in a position to avoid a hazing, or not participate in it, chose to go to an annual hazing tradition event. I have no pity for them. They had some animal guts and crap thrown on them or whatnot, maybe even some human (gasp!) feces thrown on them. Big deal. I used to stand hip deep in human feces and shovel it as my job, day in and day out. It's not like they were physically beat for hours, or forced to consume alcohol until near the point of poisoning, if things like that ever happen. Crybabies. They chose this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 agreed munik but this kind of crap wasn't expected. the original hazing was just geting their shirts painted on with non-toxic paint and their hair cut short. these girls took it to extreme lengths buy putting toxic paint in the juniors mouths and beating them with blunt objects, kicking them, forcing feces down their throats, covering them in mud, covering them in feces, and crapping on them, plus shoving pig testicles down their throats, and even ripping out some hair. now jack and you other people saying so what i'd like you to go through that and come tell us how you enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Originally posted by munik It's not like they were physically beat for hours, or forced to consume alcohol until near the point of poisoning, if things like that ever happen. Crybabies. They chose this. they were beat for hours. on the video you could see them getting kicked and beat in the head. they were forced to eat the feces too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 That's downright bull, and you know it. They went to a hazing game, yes, BUT, The younger girls, who were charged $35 to $40 apiece and were provided with jerseys, said they were expecting some form of mild hazing during the contest but instead were hit and spattered with pig intestines, fish guts, blood and smelly trash, four girls who said they attended the game told the Tribune on condition of anonymity. Says nowhere in the article that they expected to have this **** happen to them. Rather the opposite. They expected innocent teasing but got this illegal stuff. Big difference. If you go to a water fight and expect to be fired at by water guns, and unexpectedly the opposing team's were filled with blood, spit, mud, and piss, could someone say you chose that so it's your own fault? No. You chose to be fired at with water guns, yes, You'd expect to have WATER fired at you. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Insane, I did not see the video and really don't know much of the situation outside of the first post. I didn't know they were beat on. With that said, I personally (that means it's what I think of it) do not see a big deal in it. Yes, it appears to be worse then they expected, but by no means a very terrible event. I know what hazing is. I have no illusions about it. If those who got hazed enjoyed the experience, or had fun, then they did not get hazed. Hazed is a negative word, it denotes a bad thing. If I expected some form of mild hazing, and after the hazing I did not need immediate medical attention then I got what I expected. I do not know of hazing that doesn't consist of physical and mental abuse, and humiliation. This may be where the split in opinions comes from. Some people believe hazing can be mild. Others know that it can be far beyond mild. From where I'm sitting, they got what they expected, a mild hazing. One more point, for Insane. I'm willing to wager that Jack has most likely gone through hazing much worse then those girls. No one likes it, (analogy time!) but someone who breaks 20 bones in a 5 story fall can call someone a whiner if they make a big deal about stubbing their toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Jack Posted May 13, 2003 Share Posted May 13, 2003 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle I'm so glad you care. But now you must die. If you only knew the power of the Dark Side. Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle Look, you can have initialization pranks as long as they are harmless. Stuffing animal parts into someone's mouth and making them swallow it is not harmless. If you don't do that stuff it isn't really hazing. If someone was to ask me to go to something like that. That would be what I would expect. That's basically hazing right there. So I guess I really don't see the big deal here. If they didn't want to get hazed they shouldn't have gone..... like duhh:confused: It's not like you can't be a senior without getting hazed. Basically what it was is you got a bunch of pansy little daddies girls and they wanted to be cool. Instead they got nasty and got pizzy. Now they are making a stink. I wouldn't doubt if one of the girls got the idea to do that crap from family in the military. The moral of the story. Don't ask for something if you're not ready to get it. I think that's a big problem with the USA as it is. There are too many pansies in this country and they're breeding. Sooner or later we are going to be knee deep in Barnies and Telatuby crap. That's when I'm going to go postal. I mean there are people in this world and their the life is much worse than them poor little girl's little torture initiation. That was a one time thing. Life isn't always roses and it can always get worse. If they can't get over that... Oh Freaking well. Knowing what I know about hazing I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 They were beat for hours. on the video you could see them getting kicked and beat in the head. they were forced to eat the feces too. :hurl:agreed munik but this kind of crap wasn't expected. the original hazing was just geting their shirts painted on with non-toxic paint and their hair cut short. These girls took it to extreme lengths buy putting toxic paint in the juniors mouths and beating them with blunt objects, kicking them, forcing feces down their throats, covering them in mud, covering them in feces, and crapping on them, plus shoving pig testicles down their throats, and even ripping out some hair. Come again:eek: Those kinds of animal parts?? They never chose that. It's like playing baseball and instead of having a baseball thrown at you, you I mean there are people in this world and their the life is much worse than them poor little girl's little torture initiation. That was a one time thing. Life isn't always roses and it can always get worse. If they can't get over that... Oh Freaking well. Knowing what I know about hazing I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for them. Munik, CJ and you are right at one thing: People have gone trough worse. However, you're wrong. The broken toe example: Good analogy, but you cannot refuse to have symphaty for the person whose toe got broken, can you? Personally, I feel sorry for both of them. No matter if it's during a hazing or not, that's not okay. It's agains the law, it's deregatory, it's.. geez, I could go on and on. To CJ it might be a broken wrist compared to a paper cut, but still, you should comfort the little girl getting a paper cut, too, shouldn't you? You can't refuse to have sympathy for these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Jack Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle To CJ it might be a broken wrist compared to a paper cut, but still, you should comfort the little girl getting a paper cut, too, shouldn't you? You can't refuse to have sympathy for these people. Yes I can and do very easily. I would tell them the same thing I was told one time when I broke my foot on a 20 mile force march with 100 Lbs pack on my back. Walk it off.......... So once again they should get over it, move on, and stop winning. Consider it a learning experience. "Dagobahn Eagle" you repeated you post you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 "Dagobahn Eagle" you repeated you post you know? Like you do, you know;)? I would tell them the same thing I was told one time when I broke my foot on a 20 mile force march with 100 Lbs pack on my back. Walk it off.......... That doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Jack Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Originally posted by Dagobahn Eagle Like you do, you know;)? No I don't. What I meant since it's still up there. Is that you have your post the one before mine. On the thread 2 times one after another the same thing twice..... I'm sorry if I'm not as soft hearted as it seems most people on this thread are. Especially towards this subject. To me it's not even news maybe a quick laugh that I suddenly loose interest in, but that's it. I read the article and can't see anywhere where it says they couldn't have stop, walked, or ran away if it suited them. Were they tied down to a post or something? Were they chained and kept there in anyway that would have prevented them from leaving? I don't see it maybe I didn't read it well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 CJ: The problem is that this wasn't just some innocent and fun experience. The girls never chose this, and it is fully illegal. What would you think if some stranger threw you into a back alley and putting toxic paint in your mouth, beating you with blunt objects, kicking you, forcing feces down your throat, covering you in mud, covering you in feces, and crapping on you, plus shoving pig testicles down your throat, and even ripping out some hair. Would you really think of this as a good "learning experience"? Wouldn't it be a big deal? Should you just forget about it and move on? I am asking you a question here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 I think CJs argument is that hazings are part of some organizations, and if you cant handle it, dont join the organization. The problem is that this, I believe, was a public school. These girls really didnt have much choice but join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 [sarcasm]And I have no sympathy for the 9/11 victims. I mean, they chose to go into the WTC, right?[/sarcasm] See my point? I agree with Breton, CJ. He asked a good question that I suggest you answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 Well, CJ I see what you're saying but there were junior girls in highschool. They, honestly, wanted to fit in and agree to go through MILD hazing. MILD, that's the key word. Nothing was said to them about all that. That's what makes it wrong. But... whatever floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted May 15, 2003 Share Posted May 15, 2003 [sarcasm]And I have no sympathy for the 9/11 victims. I mean, they chose to go into the WTC, right?[/sarcasm] They knew they were going to the WTC, but they were going there to work....not to get a plane rammed into em. Those girls knew they were going to get hazed......I personally think it's messed up how far those other girls took it......but Cosmos Jack and munik are entitled to their opinion...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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