Holy shizz! that was one scary situation

[C Shutt]

We already know why you believe what you believe, Meksilon. I think it's something to do with your being a raving basketcase.

[NiKo]

Originally posted by NiKo

Mek, what's that got to do with anything?

 

I hate having to repeat myself

 

you're going around in endless circles, avoiding the point itself

 

mek, have you ever concidered going into politics?

[Meksilon]

Originally posted by Carl Shutt

We already know why you believe what you believe, Meksilon. I think it's something to do with your being a raving basketcase.

Oh here you go again carl with your unsubstanciated illogical offensive behaviour. Gosh if you even sounded half intelligent maybe you'd get replies to your remarks rather then critisisim. But that's okay, at least your trying to say something.

 

Look here NiKo! Carl dosen't seem to mind repeating himself! No he dosen't seem to care what he says so long as it's offensivly directed toward me.

 

Daniel

[NiKo]

...still with the going around in circles ignoring the point of this thread...

[Meksilon]

Look Nikko I answerd your question which was "what does that have to do with anything" I explained it to you very clearly. If you want to me to say that you did the right thing to avoind getting bashed by my standards? No. I don't think you even did by your own because we both know that you lied to gang. Lying is bad.

 

What you should have said is "my problems don't concern you".

 

Or even "What do you care, are you gay?"

 

If someone big, a gang say siad to me "are u a FKING Jesus-Lover?" I would say "yes, yes I am. and if you don't like that you can go to hell".

 

See you don't relly beleive in something unles you are willing to stand by your beleifs. If I was standing next to Jesus physically I would NOT deny him, so how could I EVER do that?

 

In the same way, if you were standing next to your gay friend who would cop the beating by themselves if u abanded them would you still lie to them and leave them to beat up your friend?

 

Doing that is beating your friend yourself.

 

So it was hypercritical of you.

 

Daniel

[C Shutt]

Jesus, Meksilon. If you're going to use the word in every post you make now, could you at least learn to spell the bloody thing? It's HYPOcritical.

[Meksilon]

Originally posted by Carl Shutt

Jesus, Meksilon. If you're going to use the word in every post you make now, could you at least learn to spell the bloody thing? It's HYPOcritical.

I'ts 3:07 in the morning CARL, hence I am not in the least bit concerned with spelling.

 

Daniel

[NiKo]

Originally posted by Meksilon

Look Nikko I answerd your question which was "what does that have to do with anything"

 

you know very well that wasnt my question..either that or you're stupid.

 

my friend wasnt even with me when that happened...

god mek, you're so full of it...

 

i lied? i didnt lie...i'm not gay, dumbass

 

 

[edit]

i came off a bit offensive in this post...sorry for that, but this is pissing me of

[Meksilon]

Yes, but you went along with them, you lied about yor beleifs to them. As I said, it shouldn't matter if your friend is there or not. In high school I didn't go along when people would talk about my friends behind their back I told them to their face what I thought of that. And what's more is that I answered your original question in my last post, now I'm going to be goodnight.

[NiKo]

i never lied Mek, i dont know where you came up with that.

 

was it because i told them i wasnt from the parade?..no lie

 

because i acted not gay? well that's normal concidering i'm not a gay person.

 

when did i lie?

 

beliefs?

i believe that everyone has the right to be themselves, and live freely without having to live ashamed of who or what they are.

 

was i suposed to lecture them?

you make me laugh mek...

[SamNMax]

Mek, I just wan't to know one thing...

Why do you hate homosexuals? And don't tell me you don't. Don't give my one of your long ass speeches, don't try to steer away from the damn subject, and don't bring up anything about being hit by a car, a druged up brother, a homosexual mom, or anything about religion (and what does that have to do with your friend's story?). Just give me an answer. Anybody can say anything about me, I don't care. I wan't to know why, and I wan't to know NOW.

[COJ]

Im always with girls, lol, so tough guys around me think I'm a player, great isn't it?

 

So I never really have to worry about getting beat up, and im a big guy and I work out alot..

[Yufster]

Isn't that worth fighting for? Isn't that worth dying for?

 

I hate to say this stuff because there are so many people here I respect.

 

Mek, you're the stuff terrorists are made of. Fact.

 

I can fully understand why somebody would want to RUN OVER AND KILL YOUR FRIEND, because they're CHRISTIAN. I can understand and relate to Christian Bashers.

 

And what's with the amount of men jesus kissed? He sounds a little bit FRUITY to me!

 

You sicken me not just believing such fundamentalist dogma, but actually practising it and preaching it to others who clearly are offended and disgusted by your awful, awful beliefs.

 

EDIT:

 

NOTE TO EVERYBODY ELSE: Please please please, I don't mean any offence to you! I respect everybody here but Mek. Also, I edited out the argument because it's not worth arguing with Mek.

[Kjølen]

*Becomes very grave towards Yufsters last post.*

 

Anyways, Mek, just because your friends mom doesnt gotto church doesnt mean she isnt Christian. Even if she is a lesbian, it doesnt mean she isn't a Christian. If your friends mom believes in God, believes in Jesus, believes what Christians should believe, then she is Christian. I think you have a bad habit of TELLING people what they are or arent.

I personally don't think anyone that has believed in something other that Cristians will go to Hell. I am Christian, i believe in God and Jesus, I love God and Jesus. I love every fellow man and woman. But lets just say someone in Africa, who has lived always just NOT believing in ANYTHING. They just where taught "this is life, we must survive". Now they had no control over how they believe, considering they've lived there their entire lifes. Now when they die, and everyone is judged, I really don't think God will do away with them because they never even heard of him.

[Yufster]

Thank you Kj, you summed up everything i wanted to say, except nicer, and also I'm not christian

 

BTW the Christian Bashers is merely to show Mek how absurd his understanding of Gay Bashers is, but now I think about it, he probably won't get it and I'll just offend other people who actually are NICE.

[Al-back from the BigWhoop]

i could respect mek as a person if he respected others beliefs.

 

mek, put yourself in this situation:

 

your walking around at night, alone. then you met 4 men. they hold you and ask you if you are a christian.

What you dont know is that those 4 men are brothers, and their entire family, that wasnt christian, was brutally murdered by a christian cult which you have nothing to do with. They all have suffered too much, and are blinded with hate. they are willing to make SOMEONE pay.

 

What would you do?

would you lie about your religion?

would you face the consequences and then hate the men who hit you?

be truthfull about this, actually think about this situation.

 

 

another situation:

 

your walking at night with a friend of yours. your both talking, you are good friends. Your friend puts a hand on your shoulder, as a friendly gesture. Men come to you calling you gay. they beat the crap out of you and your friend. who do you blame? did you desearve it? you cant blame them for not knowing you werent gay...

[Meksilon]

Originally posted by Kjølen

*Becomes very grave towards Yufsters last post.*

 

Anyways, Mek, just because your friends mom doesnt gotto church doesnt mean she isnt Christian. Even if she is a lesbian, it doesnt mean she isn't a Christian. If your friends mom believes in God, believes in Jesus, believes what Christians should believe, then she is Christian. I think you have a bad habit of TELLING people what they are or arent.

Do you remember who started Christianity? Paul and... well Paul? Paul the guy who said pretty much all of what's in the new testiment in relation to homosexuality. Paul was the one who went to the gentiles, the others beleived only Jews could hear what Jesus had said. Paul said "no it's for everyone that what his death means, that's why the curtain to the temple was torn".

 

To pick and choose (or cherrypick) what you beleive in is wrong. To say "I beleive in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ who died for one and for many..." and then to say "but I do not beleive what God said here, here or there" is compleatly contradictory (remember John:1 Jesus is God's word in human flesh).

I personally don't think anyone that has believed in something other that Cristians will go to Hell. I am Christian, i believe in God and Jesus, I love God and Jesus. I love every fellow man and woman.

 

But lets just say someone in Africa, who has lived always just NOT believing in ANYTHING. They just where taught "this is life, we must survive". Now they had no control over how they believe, considering they've lived there their entire lifes.

How many times have I heard this? How many people strugle with justice? Look in the Old Testiment, the gentiles didn't know about God. But when they came in contact with Jews they feard their (the Jew's) God.

 

Are you contradicting what Jesus says Kj? Yes you are.

Now when they die, and everyone is judged, I really don't think God will do away with them because they never even heard of him.

Like I said this is wrong. What makes God so important if we don't need Him Kj? What makes Jesus important? Why did he die? Here I'll show you some stuff you're contradicting: John 3:16-21, 8:34-38, 14:1-7. Go on, look them up in your Bible. "...Whoever beleives in him is not condemned, but whoever does not beleive is condemned already...", "...everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin...", "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..."

 

And all of those are Jesus's quotes. He says it again, and again, and again, and again. He is the only way to Heaven. So how you can argue against that is COMPLEATLY beyond me.

 

Oh and Al, a specific situation never justifies doing wrong. That's called relationisim. That is why Abraham was willing to sacrifise his own son for God, and he would have if God had not told him that it was a test, and he didn't want Abraham to sacrifise his only son.

 

How much did he fear God if he was willing to follow God's command, if he was willing to sacrifise his one and only son for God? Then again God sacrificed His one and only Son, that's what John 3:16 says.

 

Now you're telling me I should lie about being a Christian? How much worse is adultry then not following ONE command?

 

Daniel

[Joshi]

One word.

 

Tact (imagine the last 't' being over-pronounced, just for effect)

 

But I'm now going to say more which have nothing to do with that word.

 

Firstly, forgive me for not being so boned up on the Bible, but mek, I'm sure you can tell me who that guy was who denied Jesus three times before Jesus died. Yep, and you think that is wrong, and I respect that. But you have to look at things from different angles, because as the case may be, this is the exact same scenario to the one NiKo found himself in. Now in my opinion, what he did, he did for himself. He didn't think about how this friend would feel, or how it would affect his friend, he just did it for himself, to save his own skin.

 

And I applaud him for that. Because if his friend was a true friend, they would have understood the situation. Gay people are still people underneath and believe it or not, most have a heart and a good one at that. If his friend were to find NiKo on hospital because of her choice of life, she wouldn't have liked that at all. So why be gay? I hear you ask, because I know that's what you are thinking. Because if you think everyone needs freedom then everyone should be free to love whomever they want and not be tied down by ridiculous rules placed down by the bible.

 

You live by what you believe to be true, and I’ll live by what I know to be true.

 

First sight, second though.

 

 

P.S. On a completely unrelated note, I just ran this through word to spellcheck it and found that in my dictionary, I'd put NiKo, so all my niko's were changed to their correct spelling. Be proud NiKo, you have been immortalised in a Word dictionary

[NiKo]

notice how many clever points have been pointed out by Neil, Kjo, Al and yufster...and how Mek ignores all these clever points and never replies to them.

[SamNMax]

http://www.meksilon.isgay.com/

 

 

Now, Mek, let's say this site is real and you find this site. What would you do? Would you come on Lucasforums and make one of your long speeches about quotes in the bible that have almost nothing to do with homosexuality? Or would you stand up and take it like a man, and tell yourself that there are homosexuals in the world and there always will be homosexuals in the world, and that you should get used to it. No. you wouldn't do that, would you? You'd come back here and make one of your long ass repetitive speeches. Then when the good people here make a great piont, you'd ignor it, trying to convince yourself your right, when you know your wrong.

 

 

Why do you hate gays? Why do you hate those people just because they have chosen a life style that they are comfortable with?

 

Even though, I know your going to ignor this post, think about it. Think about why you hate them and what's so wrong with homosexuals. Think about who God agrees with, you, or the people here.

[Al-back from the BigWhoop]

yeah, im starting to get used to that.

 

btw, i think its pointless to discuss about what jesus said. there is no way to prove that he even existed! really, step out of the box for an instant, that was 2000 years ago, everything could be a farse! its a question of believing or not.

Lets say Jesus did exist. How could you be sure that he said exactly what is in the bible? Ask a friend of mine what i said 3 days ago, i can assure you he will have no idea. Another example, try reproducing Bush's speach in Iraq, without consulting tapes and stuff. Really, take a group of friends, take your whole city to try reproducing it, the chances of getting it right are minimal.

So, to play it the safe side, lets not use bible quotes , otherwise we are gonna have to start with quotes from AlKoran, or other religions books.

 

 

THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE OTHERWISE, SO DONT TRY IT. Its not even the main subject, and i dont want it to be. Im just trying to redirect this to the main issue.

[Yufster]

Jesus christ on a goddamn stick with an OLIVE! Mek mek mek mek mek.

 

Let me tell you a little story, you BASTARD. Okay, my parents. Loving happy family? No. In fact, my daddy was a bit of a violent person, as violent people go. Now he never did anything that would qualify as fatherly love, nor did he act as a husband. He controlled using fear and threats. If he wasn't threatening us, he was never around to be with us (well, thankfully). He had twisted views on gays and threatened to kill us if we ever became gay. And so I have rightfully, I believe, dispelled those things he taught me, rejected his parenting and become a person of my own. Luckily I love my mother and the rest of my family and we live together happily without him.

 

Lets compare Daddy to God, shall we?

 

NEVER DID ANYTHING THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS FATHERLY LOVE

You have no proof of things that happened thousands of years ago, so let's go on solid proof here. What has god physically done for you, and you alone?

 

CONTROLLED USING FEAR

Don't believe and you'll go to hell, sounds like a threat to me

 

NEVER AROUND TO BE WITH US

Ever seen god? For real? As in talking face to face with him? (haha I'm nearly afraid to ask Mek this question)

 

KILL US IF WE BECOME GAY

Well surely gay people will go to hell for continual sin?

 

BUT HE'S MY FATHER...

So what? That means he donated bodily fluid to fulfill his own sexual needs. It does not mean he's wise, or good, or a parent. It means he reproduced. Nothing else.

 

"Jesus died for us" or "God loves us" or "God is with us all in our hearts." is not an excuse. He's not there for you. Ever. And you can't say he'll be there in heaven waiting, because you can't prove heaven exists either. God, it seems to me, is like a really bad parent.

 

If he created the world, it's his job to nurture his children. He's not doing a very good job

 

And by the way, what was your response, in simple english, to the question, "What about people who live in jungles and never learned about god?" because your response appears to have been SCREWED UP WHILE YOU WERE SENDING IT.

[SamNMax]

Yufster, in some cases you are right. I'm not going to argue with you, I just think in a few cases, your right. Your right. There is no proof of anything holey, or even UNholey. Like a few people here, I belive in nothing. But I do belive in God a little. I do not belive in Satan, or Hell. I do not belive in any Afterlife. I think, when you die, you come back as a different person. Uh, that's all I guess. I just felt like posting this, so umm, yeah.

[Yufster]

I know I may not be right, and I'm probably wrong in a lot of stuff, the only thing that spurrs me to say a lot of stuff is because I hate narrow minded people like Mek that think they believe these things because of free will, but in actual fact they believe them because they're being led like dogs by some power hungry, corrupted church. I think organised religion is evil and wrong. Not that individuals who participate are... except mek.

 

I don't believe in god at all, but I'm completely open minded to anything. Except god. And scientology. Well, I mean, I'm open to accept whatever is true, and to do that I believe in nothing but eveything. Oh, damn. uhhh. I mean, I don't believe in anything in particular, but I accept I know nothing and there could be a higher being or a river of conciousness or whatever...

 

But I do love annoying Mek.

[Kjølen]

Paul was the one who went to the gentiles, the others beleived only Jews could hear what Jesus had said. Paul said "no it's for everyone that what his death means, that's why the curtain to the temple was torn".

 

First off all Mek, everything you said there, I only half understood.

 

Originally posted by Meksilon

Are you contradicting what Jesus says Kj? Yes you are.Like I said this is wrong. What makes God so important if we don't need Him Kj?

 

We DO need him. And just because some people don't plop thereselves down to listen to the Bible every Sunday, doesn't mean that God isn't with them. I believe God is in EVERYONE regardless if they know he exists or not.

 

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..."[/qoute]

 

Good point. Though Jesus is not about to say "You've never heard of me, you can't get in." Most likely in my opinion, it will be "I've seen even though you never heard of me, you have always been a good person, I love you, I am your God, do you accept me?" And if they accept when they are at the gates of Heaven, they are let through.

 

How many times have I heard this? How many people strugle with justice? Look in the Old Testiment, the gentiles didn't know about God. But when they came in contact with Jews they feard their (the Jew's) God.

 

Are you contradicting what Jesus says Kj? Yes you are.

 

Yes but some people have never come to encounter Jews or Christians, therefore they cannot know or fear God. So I wouldn't think God would allow people to be created with a choice of will, yet never know him, and not be saved because of this. You'd might as well say that people that havent heard of God are not human or soulless, which they are NOT.