GameSpot Review: ONLY 8.4! WTF???

[g//anarki]

The mp isn't all that impressive at all. I'm glad gamespot didn't rate the mp. It would have gotten like a 4.

 

So far it seems the best tactic in mp is to hold down primary fire with the saber and run at your enemy, healing occasionally when you're low on health because katas and specials sure as hell won't hit and with the kicking and kick combos taken out of the game, I don't think I'll enjoy FF dueling anymore.

[traj]

ChangaKhan:

 

Well, I havent gotten to play it yet because im still at work. But seeing as how someone from Raven is responding to this thread, I wondered if he could comment on something. Keep in mind I have not played it yet.

 

Every single competitive S/O CTF player and S/O FF duelist/tffa player that i've talked to about this game say that it is not worth buying. And we're not talking 5-10 guys. We're talking the bulk of the community. Why do you think that they feel Raven has turned their beloved game into a NF saber flailing RPG noobathon?

 

I'll try to get some of them here to discuss this more, but from what I understand:

 

a) kicks are useless/****ed

b) grip is ****ed

c) pull kick is ****ed

d) red stance dfa is now 4 hits to kill

e) katas dont hit / only for looks

f) throw pull kick is ****ed

g) saber damage scale is off

 

...maybe FF S/O players don't make up the bulk of the community, but if what these guys say is true I'm going to have a hard time convincing myself to buy this game tomorrow.

 

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to the game, and I hope that the FF aspects aren't as bad as these guys think. I think sometimes there is an adjustment period, but we've talked about that and they say that that's not the case.

 

So, any comments you have regarding this would be appreciated.

 

Thanks

[lllKyNeSlll]

Seems to me so far JO is a much better game sabering wise. GUnning the jk3 is much better due to better maps and ammo placement.

 

jk3 seems to be a pandora's box, many of the jk2 player's worst fears came out (lack of a true kick, no grip hide) however there is a great hope that it can become a great game.

[StaffMaster]

:rolleyes:

 

Well I dont know what you mean about the force issues.

 

BUT I can tell you firsthand that anybody that cant use a kata effectively is either a noob or I dont know what.

 

I have great success with my saberstaff kata.

 

My fighting style went from random clumsy movements in outcast to a flowing powerful fighting style in academy.

 

Besides it kind of strikes me as that "noveau" BS that clans like to spew.

"were true duelers cus we choos to do it n outcast"

 

more moves,better control,extra characters,vehicles,fighting styles....etc

 

and u think outcast is better.

 

wutever

[Rad Blackrose]

Originally posted by StaffMaster

:rolleyes:

 

Well I dont know what you mean about the force issues.

 

BUT I can tell you firsthand that anybody that cant use a kata effectively is either a noob or I dont know what.

 

I have great success with my saberstaff kata.

 

My fighting style went from random clumsy movements in outcast to a flowing powerful fighting style in academy.

 

Besides it kind of strikes me as that "noveau" BS that clans like to spew.

"were true duelers cus we choos to do it n outcast"

 

more moves,better control,extra characters,vehicles,fighting styles....etc

 

and u think outcast is better.

 

wutever

 

Its one thing to talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

 

The movement of JA MP is no more fluent than in JKII MP.

 

Kata is a waste of force. I just have to stand back and throw my saber at you while you sit there like a retard without the daily medication swinging at absolutely nothing with the pretty graphics. Oooh, blade trails. Who gives a damn?

 

Also, considering the fact that the dual-bladed lightsaber's kata is the 2nd most worthless in the entire game (dual lightsabers is taking the cake right now), I get a feeling you're just another Blademaster_109 clone.

[Guardian Omega]

I haven't gotten the game yet, (picked HL2), but if the katas are anything like JKA demo, the only one I found ANY where useful was the light kata since it didn't really restrict movement.

[g//anarki]

Originally posted by StaffMaster

:rolleyes:

 

Well I dont know what you mean about the force issues.

 

BUT I can tell you firsthand that anybody that cant use a kata effectively is either a noob or I dont know what.

 

I have great success with my saberstaff kata.

 

My fighting style went from random clumsy movements in outcast to a flowing powerful fighting style in academy.

 

Besides it kind of strikes me as that "noveau" BS that clans like to spew.

"were true duelers cus we choos to do it n outcast"

 

more moves,better control,extra characters,vehicles,fighting styles....etc

 

and u think outcast is better.

 

wutever

 

Your fighting style was clumsy in outcast most likely because you sucked. JA has that way of making it look cool and "movie-like" when you flail your saber around like a retard. JO didn't.

[the weiner dog!]

Originally posted by g//plaZma

Your fighting style was clumsy in outcast most likely because you sucked. JA has that way of making it look cool and "movie-like" when you flail your saber around like a retard. JO didn't.

[Crow_Nest]

Same here, how can JA get 8.4?!?!

 

THATS IMPOSSIBLE!

 

JK2 GOT HIGHER THAN 8.4!!!

[StaffMaster]

Sucked?

 

:laughing: :laughing:

 

 

IS that the best you can come up with?

 

This is not about bragging but I hardly ever lost a duel in MP.

So much to the point that you spoiled clan brats would even kick me off the server.

For schooling their clan.

 

And if your used to dealing with NOOBS that kata whore you to death.

 

You only prove my point.

 

I make the kata jus one more weapon in arsenal of moves.

 

So i doubt you would have time to throw ur saber while I "flail around like an idiot".

 

IT looks like I hit close to home.

 

And you definitely have more moves and fighting stances than in JO.

 

So I say aggain WUTEVER.

 

 

Great work Raven. I think you have an exelent game right out of the box.

patches will only make it more polished.

[SuperNub]

But hey, he still gave it a good score. That's the beauty of public forums, getting to express your opinion. ; )

 

Is that a joke? ..every topic I've seen with legitimate points being openly submitted have been closed simply because they're "bashing" this game. Yeah, bashing a game they have every right to due to the fact they paid money for it and should be able to voice their opinion in any manner they see fit. But oh no, can't offend the people who worked so hard on this JO 1.05.

 

This is not about bragging but I hardly ever lost a duel in MP.

 

I highly doubt you played anywhere other then those admin mod nub clans, who AM sit more then FFA or fight for that matter. Visiting a server such as *BS* or <ap> and beating them in NF duels is hardly even comparable to coming to a place back in the day like [div3rse.temple] or any of the like.

 

I make the kata jus one more weapon in arsenal of moves.

 

How did that prove anything other then what he implemented in the first place? ..if your arsenal consists of holding down attack, and wasting force on random "pretty" saber moves then you must be more pathetic then you sound. How COULDN'T he be saber throwing you repeatedly while you're using kata? ...do you have magical forces that make yourself invulnerable during that worthless, stand still attack?

 

You remind me of the flock of NFing sheep that hopped into the JO community during the midst of 1.04, basing your offense around red dfas and random lunges. While you gained confidence playing at noob clan servers, only being blind to true competition in the form of FF dueling, base settings.

 

To put it bluntly, this game is a dumbed down version of JO for people who couldn't grasp the techniques of exploiting your opponent and using force to it's full potential. Now its just for the random 13 year old whos parents bought them a comp to gawk at the nice graphics and easy gameplay.

 

Why was grip kicking or kicking period for that matter taken out? ...was it just too hard for most people to contend with and learn to defend? ..there were mods that disabled kicking just fine. It was a well used and needed component for full on competition CTF and FF fighting. Why not have just added an option in the server setup to disable kicks the same way guns were enabled/disabled? ..its all a matter of a simple command line.

 

And not to forget, completely stiff movements and no feeling of momentum. Worthless saber moves an experienced CTF capper whos speed absorbing across a map can look back and laugh at while a noob hits katas and twirling moves, since offensive forces are useless as backstab is in 1.04 JO.

 

I think gamespot were way too nice with their review. If you ask me, JA deserves the name of JO Expansion: Attack of the noob sheep and gets a 2.0, only for its improved graphics.

[Jaden007]

Well it did get rated Great but i think it shoulda got a higher score.

 

They said problems with AI and things but i still like it .....................Getting today UPS:D cant wait!

[ChangKhan]

Originally posted by traj

ChangKhan:

 

Well, I havent gotten to play it yet because im still at work. But seeing as how someone from Raven is responding to this thread, I wondered if he could comment on something. Keep in mind I have not played it yet....<snip>

 

I'd judge the game for yourself, if I were you.

 

That being said, any time you change anything, you're going to piss off people who are used to something a specific way. If they're not willing to try something new, then I guess that's their prerogative. If we didn't try to improve the game, there would have been no point in making a new game. Whatever people think, we don't try to make a game suck and release it. We make the games the way we think are fun. If people like them (as they usually seem to do), great. If not, that's life!

 

Remember: You can't please all of the people all of the time.

[aXoe]

Keep in mind its just a game looks cool but gamespot was right in their own way, i mean come on all the features of the game have already been made available through mod and how long do you think this game will last on the market. Im glad you like and so do i but a lot of people will probably be playing HL2 and many other games in the years to come (amazing games btw) and people still enjoy playing star craft which is outdated. As long as people still play it a stupid rating doesnt matter. Remember most people still havent played the original game itself and a lot of people cant give their opinions

[Rad Blackrose]

So I say aggain WUTEVER.

 

Fo shizzle mah nizzle? Is it off the heezy? Fo sheezie? Word to your mutha, dawg!

 

 

This is not about bragging but I hardly ever lost a duel in MP.

So much to the point that you spoiled clan brats would even kick me off the server.

For schooling their clan.

 

I highly doubt that you have played on g// FFA, shockwave, fk, diverse, etc. With the way you are presenting yourself here, you were more likely kicked off for being an inane ass. I doubt you could touch the top players of FF/SO. And don't backpedal onto the "but I'm NF/SO" excuse, that card is played more then Jesse Jackson's Race Card.

 

I make the kata jus one more weapon in arsenal of moves.

 

Need I not make the retard with lack of medication statement again?

 

Considering the fact that you CANNOT cease a directional movement in a kata (katas have defined intervals of movement), I can still stand back and just toss my saber at you repeatedly while you pull off a pathetic rendition of the Star Wars kid.

 

And you definitely have more moves and fighting stances than in JO.

 

Which, might I add, is a pretty nice mask to disguising flaws in gameplay mechanics.

 

"ooh, he just flipped away from me while doing the splits!"

 

Seriously, get over yourself. No wonder why games are **** these days, all they got to do is create eye candy, overhype their product, and sell it to the people who don't do their homework.

 

EDIT: Quote tags... yay!

[Mordred]

Well to be honest from the other reviews i have seen 8.4 is high and thats not a bad score anyway

[Kamikaze]

Agreed. Gaming sites are generally more stingy with their ratings in the past few years, and an 8.4 is very respectable. I think it's a fine score for a supposed "sequel" that really didn't bring more new stuff than an expansion would have at $20 cheaper. If it was an expansion, then it would warrant a higher score, because expansions aren't expected to offer all that much new stuff. Think about it, MOTS had more new features over JK than JK:A has over JO, and it cost nearly half as much.

[traj]

Originally posted by ChangKhan[RAVEN]

I'd judge the game for yourself, if I were you.

 

That being said, any time you change anything, you're going to piss off people who are used to something a specific way. If they're not willing to try something new, then I guess that's their prerogative. If we didn't try to improve the game, there would have been no point in making a new game. Whatever people think, we don't try to make a game suck and release it. We make the games the way we think are fun. If people like them (as they usually seem to do), great. If not, that's life!

 

Remember: You can't please all of the people all of the time.

 

I agree.

 

Did you guys test the FF/SO CTF? If so, did you think it was fun? Did you play FF/SO CTF in JO? Any feedback or comments here would be appreciated.

[Doug Thompson]

IMO, game review sites are heavily biased toward games with really great graphics. Gamespot's not as bad as others, but the bias is still there.

 

If you hold my point of view, it's downright amazing that a game with a graphics engine this old got an 8.4.

 

========

 

As others have mentioned, JA is not exactly an out-of-the-blue original. I'd argue that it's quite a refinement over the previous installment, and a great game.

 

It's a very good sequel, but a sequel nonetheless. Again, that makes the fact that is scored as high as this somewhat amazing.

[kru]

This thread smells bad of 'fanboy'. The game itself is fine - 8.4 is a fine score.

 

Lets face it people, the innovation isnt there. The game itself plays nicely, but has that Jedi Outcast Expansion feel about it.

 

Im not ragging on the game here, just the fact that it lacks innovation, rendering 8.4 a perfect score for it.

[Remij]

ChangaKhan:

 

I gotta say that I'm dissapointed with the multiplayer aspect of Jedi Academy. In JO, I really only played the multiplayer game, not too much of the single player game, many of my friends are the same way, the multiplayer in JO is plainly the best online videogaming experience I have ever had. But sometimes I feel like I've only gotten half of a game with JO, the single player game is still great dont get me wrong, its just with such an incredible experience playing with other people, I never got into the Single player mode.

 

Now, this brings me to my point with JA, I myself and many others, feel that the changes made to the multiplayer game, will reduce the game to a hack and slash melee that lowers the quality of the online experience. Kicks being removed is almost unacceptable for me because of the style in which I play. The tempo of the game has slowed considerably and is generally a bore.

 

I really wanted to like this game, and I still do, the customization is incredible(kudos for that) and everything is really intuitive, but it is falling short of my own, and many of my friends expectations!

with sooo many other great games coming out this year, with the way JA is right now, I honestly doubt it will be getting much of my attention, especially since JO mp is still greater than JA mp.

 

thanks for ur time and efforts

 

disgruntled jedi, Remij

[=AX=Katalyst]

Well i agree with traj, the SO FF/CTF has gone to the dogs. I for 1 will not play if that stays. All the gay fancy saber moves make me mad. JK2 FF SO CTF was the most competitive and most played by hardcore gamers. Its still quite large today. I think raven madea mistake creating the game for dueling. who cares what some site rates the game? make ur own decision.

[majin_buu.pt]

ok here's what i think about jk:ja. sp is much easier than jk2 sp.. but it's more cool. now mp. i hate mp. u just need 2 put single saber blue stance and press attack and foward and u kill a lot of people.. i never saw that on jk2. the defense of lightsaber just sucks, it doesn't protect u frow anything. and this is what i am going 2 say: Portuguese community probably will stay on jk2 since we play ctf ff/so mostly and ctf jk:ja sucks. US ctf ff/so community won't play this by the same reasons. so if the game stays like this the ctf ff/so community won't play it. and just 1 thing us and portuguese community got the best jk2 ctf ff/so clans and players.hopefully the maker of xmod for jk2(the best ctf mod) master hex, is already planning 2 do xmod 2 that will put jk:ja has we like 2 play , kicks , no force taking with special moves, dfa like it was on jk2... this way both communitys will play jk:ja. go go go hex.

[majin_buu.pt]

since i can't edit my post and i forgotten some stuff.. all the reviews only cares about graphics and single play.. we don't care about that we care about multiplayer and the best reviewers are the players, i am right? and if the top community of ctf/tffa ff so are saying that u made this game for n00bs and duelers something most be wrong right? oh wait the guys who post on this foruns are best players than all off us... even some of the best duelers of the world are saying that the game sucks. they prefer jk2...

[SuperNub]

That being said, any time you change anything, you're going to piss off people who are used to something a specific way. If they're not willing to try something new, then I guess that's their prerogative. If we didn't try to improve the game, there would have been no point in making a new game. Whatever people think, we don't try to make a game suck and release it. We make the games the way we think are fun. If people like them (as they usually seem to do), great. If not, that's life!

 

I think everyone who gave this game a chance and a play were willing to try something new. All we received was a version of JO with force being rendered to a point of weakness and new saber animations that are more flashy then useful. This game is nothing that an experienced modder couldnt've added onto JO. All I see are force combos deterierated and newbish gameplay my dog could dominate with.

 

Hell, I'm sure the Tenebrae team who worked on the Quake remake and the like could've made JKA in their free time with the same exact quality.

 

But what you're basically saying is you guys make games that you find entertaining, regardless of what other people are going to think and then you release it? ..are you sure you aren't the same team who worked with Squaresoft in making such "classics" as Saga Frontier or Final fantasy 8-10?

 

With an attitude like that, I'll be surprised if Raven isn't withered away in five years to come. And I wouldn't say people usually like all your games, does SoF2 ring a bell?

 

Maybe you should've listened to all those who got a hold of the leaked beta and were complaining from the get go that this game is going to be a complete online bore. Then you release this final version, which in complete irony, is even WORSE then the buggy beta that was out and about.

 

You might've pleased the uber optimistic star wars fanboys, and people who cried about getting beat constantly in JO, but for most of us experienced players who came to love JO online this is nothing short then an utter disappointment.