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[Joshi]

Okay, sfirst of all, Matrix and Matrix Reloaded. Did anyone else notice a huge overhaul of slow motion in the second one. After one little move, it goes fast, and then slow again, and then fast again, and then slow again, it's remedial and looks shoddy, I swear, Keanu Reeves was taught all this really fast martial arts, and they slow it down, if it was kept at normal speed, it would have been a lot better (and shaved a whole lot off of the movie time). Saying that, I would hope that the wachowski bros have learnt their lesson and produce an even better film for revoluitions, but considering they're basically making one movie and cutting it in half, that's not probably, so i'm guessing it's going to be the same shoddy work. Also, Neo's innocence is lost, and that was one of the defining points of the matrix, so bugger that.

 

I'm also looking forward to Kill Bill Volume II. I saw the first volume on saturday and whilst it was a bit over the top at times (who doesn't love a fountain of blood?) it was one hell of a great film, Tarentino should shoot himself, lest he make another film which isn't as good. Actually, he should shoot himself just so we see his head explode and blood fly out of his neck (see the movie).

 

Scary Movie 3. Well, no more wayans bros, but that might be a good thing considering the crappiness of scary movie 2. It looks funny, i'll say that.

 

Punisher. Some comic book movies are good, some aren't, don'y be a statistic, that's all I say.

 

ROTK: Well, it's meant to be better than the second, depends on what you like about the second, but it was hellishly good, no matter how you look at it. Apparently, helms deep was the pre battle skirmish of 10,000 uru kai things, and in ROTK, it'll be about 50,000 with a well thought out battle. Hey, they've already done 2 great movies, can't see why this one shouldn't kick serious dark lord arse.

 

Indy3.

Dunno too much about it, only that ford will be playing indy, it'll take place in the 50's, sean connery may make a small cameo along with all of indies past girlfriends (spielbergs wife and karen allen), spielberg is on board as director, tom hanks son may be playing the son of indy, and after many decades in storage, the bull whip will make a return in full working form. I thing the whip says it all really "*whip sound*"

 

Groovy, the resident evil 2 movie does not confirm that very little thought process goes into making moves... Gigli does:cool: . But yeah, the first was a load of **** and quite possibly the worst movie i've ever seen (maybe with the exception of tomb raider)

[RicardoLuigi...]

Okay, sfirst of all, Matrix and Matrix Reloaded. Did anyone else notice a huge overhaul of slow motion in the second one. After one little move, it goes fast, and then slow again, and then fast again, and then slow again, it's remedial and looks shoddy, I swear, Keanu Reeves was taught all this really fast martial arts, and they slow it down, if it was kept at normal speed, it would have been a lot better (and shaved a whole lot off of the movie time). Saying that, I would hope that the wachowski bros have learnt their lesson and produce an even better film for revoluitions, but considering they're basically making one movie and cutting it in half, that's not probably, so i'm guessing it's going to be the same shoddy work. Also, Neo's innocence is lost, and that was one of the defining points of the matrix, so bugger that.

 

plus, reloaded and revolutions were filmed at the same time, so there wasn't really a lesson to learn anyway. and i do agree that there was excessive slow motion. i mean, in some parts i can understand why they'd put it in, like the beginning scene where trinity jumps off the bike and stuff, but other than that, like all the jumping up and doing one kick thing...

[scabb]

I saw Kill Bill on Saturday, and I like Quentin Tarintino. It's a shame that they split it into two parts, I'd much prefer to watch the full flick in a single three-hour sitting. The only other major criticism I'd make is the lack of snappy dialogue.

 

Still, great film! The soundtrack was excellent as usual, and the final fight scene sends the Wachowski brothers to the land of shame.

 

On another note, the Indy box set hit my doorstep Monday. Hurray.

[Mort-Hog]

Matrix

I think of the whole series, including the animatrices (and also enter the matrix, but I haven't played that) all as different chapters to one big story.

 

They've sort of raped Plato's Cave from Republic (which is a fascinating take on society's perception of reality), but I guess it'd make your average Joe start to think about society, start to think 'the things I take for granted, these 'morals', these 'norms' ... why are they?' and perhaps even read Plato's Cave, which will totally change your perception of all you think is 'real'.

I won't go into any depth, you can google it if you want, but the basic philosophy is that everything you think is reality is actually a shadow of reality, a partial reality, put forward by 'puppeteers' but you follow this shadow of reality because it is a reality that you like, and the 'real' reality is much more unpleasant, so you prefer the deceptions and lies. We are all our own prisonkeepers in the prison of society! I found that totally fascinating, and that's the philosophy that the Washsadhgsavosky brothers tried to present in The Matrix.

 

(Reloaded presents a further twist to this.. In The Matrix, Neo and Morpheus and all that lot would represent the people that DIDN'T accept that shadow reality and that seeked the 'real' reality .. but in Reloaded, it appears that those 'rebels' are in fact controlled by the puppetteers as well! that those truth-seekers are part of that false reality as well! that's really interesting, and has lots of fascinating connotations for people that we'd consider rebels, like Che Guevera or Mao Tsetung, that they too are just part of the 'system' as well ...)

 

Lord of the Rings

 

I think that the combined works of Tolkien is the best literature of the 20th century. Tolkien wrote his works as if they actually happened, in some imaginary time in the past, and so reading them feels like you are researching historical data on actual events.

 

Tolkien always wrote as if he were simply a translator, and that each of the works were in fact written by someone else; The Hobbit was written by Bilbo, The Lord of the Rings was written by Frodo, The Silmarillion was written by various elves. This helps to explain certain things.

- obviously, the hobbits wouldn't have spoken English, and so Tolkien 'translated' the original hobbit-language into English, and the hobbits would have called this 'common speech' or something like that. Hobbits and Men would speak similar languages, but certain words and the formation of words would be alien to them, though they'd understand the majority of it; Tolkien would 'translate' this into the reader's equivlant, Anglo Saxon English. The hobbits wouldn't've understood any of the Elvish, so that was left untranslated. This makes the reader follow the same linguistic journey that the hobbits did, encountering archaic words that they never used, and also completely foreign languages.

- this also explains why there might be some bias, some errors, or sometimes even blatant lies. Any reader of LOTR will have noticed that there'd be a LOT of anti-orc propaganda throughout, as would be expected from Frodo. It'd be interesting to read about the same events written by an orc, but no such documents have been 'discovered'. :-(

 

And the meticulous detail and pedantic changes that Tolkien put all of his works through can't go without respect. Readers of The History of Middle Earth series will know how Tolkien's son goes through all the changes and crosses out that Tolkien made on his papers.

Reading any work of Tolkien is fantastic, but it is like to reading a history text book; it isn't just a storybook you can pick up and put down again. You don't 'read' Tolkien, you 'research' Tolkien. :-) and I can understand that some people that don't enjoy literature as much wouldn't get as much enjoyment from that. but oh well!

 

as for the films ...

FOTR was good enough. I had some niggles with the cinema version but the extended DVD covered all of those major problems, and I was very happy with that. it's just a shame they took it out. As for TTT ...

I can understand that they'd have to take things out from the book, that's perfectly understandable ... but adding things in that WEREN'T in the book really does annoy me. it's wasting time that should otherwise go to bits of the book, and it'd also confuse and complicate things for people that haven't read the books (like with Aragorn falling into the river for some reason, and Faramir being all evil for some reason). I'm looking forward to the extended edition (or the proper edition as I call it), but I don't think it'd cover the many many niggles I had with TTT. I'm not really looking forward to ROTK, I wasn't really looking forward to TTT after FOTR; I know what's going to happen. The only question is what ISN'T going to happen; what will they take out (or put in, grr).

However, the BBC radio version of Lord of the Rings sounds really good, though I've only heard the first chapter of it!

[Mort-Hog]

Hmm. I hate reading huge replies, but I seem to be good at writing them! Sorry everyone. :-)

[ptdc]

Very interesting. Even though I only skimmed over it. The problem with society and laws are I never agreed to live within them. You're born and you accept the laws and society and that's it. It's rather sad really. Makes me think of "Imagine"...

[Joshi]

Okay, so this thread is about upcoming movies, so I'm gonna go way into the future for these ones.

 

First of all, National Treasure. Basically, Nicolas Cage goes to find the treasure of the knights templar (sound familiar?) which seems to have some kind of relationship with the signing of the declaration of independance (guess not) and blah blah blah. Basically, it has one small historical referance and then the rest all seems to be bull ****. Broken Sword managed to come up with a pretty great storyline (eligable for movie status) by sticking to the actual story of the knights templar, so why couldn't these guys do it. Sounds crap to me.

 

Trucker/Diggers/Wings/Bromeliad

No, that's not the title of the film, it's possible titles, the first three being titles of 3 films if this were to be a trilogy and the last one a possible title if all three books were condensed into one. Basically, these 3 books (the Bromeliad Trilogy (Truckers, Digger and Wings)) were written by terry pratchett and were really good (I've read them and I can't be bothered to reveiw the books, so i'll just say that) Dreamworks (Shrek anyone?) bought the rights to the books and said they are going to make a film of it with CGI characters on a real life set (it makes sense considering the main characters are nomes) and basically, it should be pretty good as long as they stick with the story line. Saying that, they have had talks about condensing the entire thing into one film. I can see them condensing it into two films considering the two last books run simultaneously alongside each other, but the firts book is a whole other story altogether and couldn't fit into half of a film time (which would basically be 45 mintutes, fine, it's possible, but it would involve a 6 month break after the first story, and it just would feel right in one movie, the story seems to end after the first book and then a new story evolves in the second which has a lot to do with the first if you get my meaning). So at the end of the day, who knows. Might be good.

[Shivermetimbers]

Return of the King- If it doesn't stray too far from the books (which, sigh, I am still only in the process of reading) will be awesome.

Radio-Looks horrible and sappy and sickening

Matrix Revolutions- Carrying it a bit too far, I think two is enough

Scary Movie 3-Same as Matrix Revolutions, except that it at least has some new material to parody, whereas I cannot imagine the new Matrix movie will have anythign cool except for special effects, all of which we've seen before.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre-This is the second remake. It was funny the first time and vaugly scary in that bad horror movie way. I think the new one will be excessively gory and its just not worth making another time. (The original is a classic, however)

Other than that, I don't really know whats coming out... I saw School of Rock the other day, that was funny.

[Mort-Hog]

Dude, if there wasn't a sequel to Reloaded I'd kill someone!

Reloaded totally changed the entire perspective of how the matrix works and what it is, in the conversation with the architecht. If there wasn't some sort of conclusion to this, I'd go crazy. Reloaded and Revolutions aren't just random sequels churned out to make a load of money off The Matrix, they're additional chapters to the story! It'd be like saying 'damn that Tolkien. He wrote 'The Two Towers' and 'Return of the King' as sequels to make money off 'Felloship of the Ring'. If there's some plot twist in Revolutions like to that of Reloaded it'll be amazing. I can't wait to see the conclusion, as I have no idea how it could possibly end! I hope it's not a 'happy' ending. :-D

[Joshi]

I dunno, it'd seem kind of annoying if we had to sit through 3 matrix movies just to see Zion blown away and no progress at all. It would also be really crappy if they said that the real world is actually just another matrix of an even worse world that only a few people know about which is why neo is able to do those things to those machines in the real world (remember, supposedly, he's not magical or anything just able to manipulate the matrix which is a computer program). I find it annoying that we have to play enter the matrix in order to get the full story, I don't have an X-Box or PS2, so what the hell am I meant to do?

[Remi]

Play it on the PC?

[Shivermetimbers]

Originally posted by Mort-Hog

It'd be like saying 'damn that Tolkien. He wrote 'The Two Towers' and 'Return of the King' as sequels to make money off 'Felloship of the Ring'.

 

 

Just so that you know, Tolkein wrote the Lord of the Rings triglogy because of the popularity of the Hobbit and demand for more. Just an interesting fact.

[Mort-Hog]

Rubbish.

Tolkien had already written much of the Silmarillion at that time, and many of the songs and poems that are in Lord of the Rings were written when he was in the trenches. I don't know whether he had decided to publish Lord of the Rings up until then, though, and it's possible he wouldn't've published it if The Hobbit hadn't been as successful. At his death, he had only published The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, and there was masses of work that he hadn't published, and was later published by his son, in the 8-book series The History of the Middle Earth. There is still a great deal of work that the Tolkien family hasn't published.

[Joshi]

Originally posted by RemiO

Play it on the PC?

if only it were that simple. If only I had something a bit more powerful than a a 501Mhz processor.

 

Oh, and it apparently took tolkien 15 years to write the entire trilogy. Don't know if that's an important factor or just a bit of useless knowledge, but whatever.

[Ernil]

Tolkien had already written much of the Silmarillion at that time, and many of the songs and poems that are in Lord of the Rings were written when he was in the trenches. I don't know whether he had decided to publish Lord of the Rings up until then, though, and it's possible he wouldn't've published it if The Hobbit hadn't been as successful. At his death, he had only published The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, and there was masses of work that he hadn't published, and was later published by his son, in the 8-book series The History of the Middle Earth. There is still a great deal of work that the Tolkien family hasn't published.

 

When Tolkien wrote the Hobbit, people demanded more. He then wrote "The Lord of the Rings," before the Silmarillion was put together, but during and after he wrote the works that make up the Silmarillion. After he died, most of the other things were published; including "The Silmarillion." Most of those were first published in the 80's, after Tolkiens death.

 

To recap: The Hobbit, Middle Earth Writings, Lord of the Rings, then he dies. "The writings" were published into different books, some with more emphasis on different time periods, etc. The one that covers the whole time period was the Silmarillion.

 

 

How'd we get on this subject, anyway?

[Darth Groovy]

Originally posted by Joshi

 

Groovy, the resident evil 2 movie does not confirm that very little thought process goes into making moves... Gigli does:cool: . But yeah, the first was a load of **** and quite possibly the worst movie i've ever seen (maybe with the exception of tomb raider)

 

LOL, yeah you have no argument there. Tomb Raider Was a complete failure of a movie. The Lara Croft series could have so EASILY picked up where Indianna Jones left off, but instead it became a redicoulous "soundtrack movie" as I call them these days, and the plot was looser than a gay bar at happy hour, hallujah....holy ****...where's the tylenol?

 

Edit- Even Resident Evil was better than Tomb Raider, becuase it totally bit from many Goerge Romero films which RE was based on to begin with. However, Tomb Raider, has about as much to do with Indianna Jones, as it does with Willy Wonka.

 

What a waist...

[Joshi]

True, there was a huge difference between Tomb Raider and Indie, I mean first of all, Indie kicked arse. I don't really thing RE was better though as whilst Tomb Raider was completely predictable, it actually had a storyline but RE was simply the game on the big screen. Did they even need real actors, or sets. It might as well have been someone playing the game for two hours.

[Joshi]

True, there was a huge difference between Tomb Raider and Indie, I mean first of all, Indie kicked arse. I don't really thing RE was better though as whilst Tomb Raider was completely predictable, it actually had a storyline but RE was simply the game on the big screen. Did they even need real actors, or sets. It might as well have been someone playing the game for two hours.