Iraqi prisoner abuse

[Ray Jones]

arent austrians like french anyways? i mean.. they stole like the half from autralians.. tse.

[Zoom Rabbit]

Originally posted by SuicidalXWing

and btw Zoom, Arnold is Austrian, not French, if he were French he wouldn't be so popular.

 

Oh, be quiet. You're french.

 

 

Ray: The only facet of australian culture brought to Austria is dingoes. And they seem french as well.

 

I agree that the Nick Berg beheading was atrocious, but it's only its coincidence as retribution for the Abu Ghraib pictures that draws the comparison. Of course, we already knew Al Qaeda were capable of such things (and the knife wielder was a known henchman), so we should not be surprised. Nor should we compare what they do to what we do--apples and oranges.

 

Here's my problem with what happened at Abu Ghraib: the US administration decided to treat prisoners of war in Iraq as *enemy combatants* in order to skirt the Geneva Convention. I suppose one could argue that it's necessary to do so in order to deal with the Al Qaeda monsters, but the logic in then applying the same rules to the civilians of Iraq fails me, many of whom are rounded up off the streets because of neighbors who accuse them in order to settle old scores and such. We are an occupying army in Iraq, and we need to be giving these people the full accord of prisoners of war as covered in the Geneva Convention.

 

We are better than that. I think.

[Nitro]

I vote you guys shoot anyone not wearing a uniform, claim they were all spies, and repopulate the area with our dangerous criminals, like the brits did with Australia.

 

Or you could napalm it into a sheet of glass, then charge outrageous prices for tours...

 

But I'm being contumelious.

[Kjølen]

I do not believe in judging, so I will not vote, however I do beleive I know WHY this all happened.

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hey say that some of the people that did this to the Iraqis were the nicest he military process known as dehumanilization might be to blame. The soldiers are subconsiously taught that the enemy is less than human. Animals and savages. "Gooks, chinks, japs." :-/ The nice people couldn't kill another human. But when they see their own friends fighting next to them being killed, and they see these "Less than humans", they are ready to do whatever. It's sad really, this whole war thing.

[Lynk Former]

Originally posted by Jared

I say give them medals.

and that's why i think you're an idiot

[Kuuki]

Originally posted by Lynk Former

and that's why i think you're an idiot

 

even though i'd be violating such and bringing myself to a position where i'd be described as such

 

but you'd say that to anyone who even voiced any sort of verbal (or in this case, visual) bit of conversational input

 

 

 

 

 

or just random little noises...

[Dr Edison 007]

Does anybody know how the story got out it the first place, I really don't pay attention to CNN or anything else for that matter.

[Lynk Former]

@ Scar: No I said what I said because what those soldiers did was inexcusable. Just because “the enemy” tortures your soldiers doesn’t mean you have to sink down to that level. Remember this is a multinational force, it’s not just the US who are in Iraq, other countries are getting **** over this too. From these events we’ve basically shown we’re no better than “they” are, and Jared says, “I say give them medals.” Is just absolute bull****. It’s the equivelant of us setting up concentration camps and putting captured Nazi into them just because they did the same thing to the Jews. Just because they did it to one group doesn’t make it right for the supposed side of good to do it to them now does it.

[Nitro]

I don't see a problem with it.

 

Muslim law states an eye for an eye, and when in Rome...

[Lynk Former]

that doesn't make it right.

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Lynk Former

It’s the equivelant of us setting up concentration camps and putting captured Nazi into them just because they did the same thing to the Jews.

 

Most of the time the US and British simply shot the surrendering Nazis so they didn't have to deal with prisoners.

[Zoom Rabbit]

Nute, I believe you're thinking of the Japanese. We did not as a matter of policy execute German soldiers.

 

Nitro: Your opinion doesn't count. You're wearing panties on your head RIGHT NOW, aren't you?

[Lynk Former]

A group of my friends were discussing this ages ago and we all agreed that no one is liking Americans at the moment... Everywhere I go down here in Australia it seems people all have the same opinion when it comes to American's these days and our Prime Minister backdooring Bush isn't doing him any good either.

[Ray Jones]

there are americans and there is america.

 

a difference not to put aside.

[Lynk Former]

that's true, sorry i mean America itself.

[edlib]

Originally posted by Lynk Former

... and our Prime Minister backdooring Bush isn't doing him any good either.

Is there any footage of this activity taking place?!??.. 'Cuz we could make a KILLING on the internet with that tape!!!!

 

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit

Nute, I believe you're thinking of the Japanese. We did not as a matter of policy execute German soldiers.

 

"Policy" and "what actually happens" are two very different things. Of course, as the war wound down, there were less Germans that 'attacked' or 'attempted to escape' because there was a capacity to deal with them. A guy I know that was on the ground in Kosovo said they had been given orders not to take prisoners, which meant they shot a lot of surrendering Serbs.

[Nitro]

Originally posted by edlib

Is there any footage of this activity taking place?!??.. 'Cuz we could make a KILLING on the internet with that tape!!!!

 

 

I thought that myself...

 

Pulp Fiction anyone?