Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 speed is what makes the winners faster than the losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 He was arrogant and impacient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch speed is what makes the winners faster than the losers and SKILL makes a winner. someone can be fast but lack skill and lose. Someone can be slow but have great skill and be a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith and SKILL makes a winner. someone can be fast but lack skill and lose. Someone can be slow but have great skill and be a winner. true, but my statement is no less true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Yoinked* Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I think that Obi-Wan is most definitely the better and more experienced Jedi, though Anakin's mere potential power is staggering, so I am not sure, though Anakin's arrogance demonstrated when he said "NO I WILL TAKE HIM NOW!" Instead of the obviously smarter choice of teamwork, and the fact that he is aggresive and reckless, "the slow and steady win therace..." -Adam G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Darth Vader pwns j00 alls!!!111oneone Obi-Wan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Originally posted by Adam G. I think that Obi-Wan is most definitely the better and more experienced Jedi, though Anakin's mere potential power is staggering, so I am not sure, though Anakin's arrogance demonstrated when he said "NO I WILL TAKE HIM NOW!" Instead of the obviously smarter choice of teamwork, and the fact that he is aggresive and reckless, "the slow and steady win therace..." -Adam G. the slow and steady get sniped yub yub, commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Obi wan is or was the most skilled Jedi ever. He beat General Grevious and his greatest win was defeating Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Shouldn't you put a spoiler tag on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted October 23, 2004 Author Share Posted October 23, 2004 Originally posted by Pho3nix Obi wan is or was the most skilled Jedi ever. He beat General Grevious and his greatest win was defeating Anakin I would say that it was a loss, since a padawan turning against his master and his master beating him, is, Sith-style. On defeating Anakin, Obi-Wan would have no one to blame but himself for Ani's conversion. Obi was the teacher, he was supposed to get Ani know the Force in and out and sheild him from the perils of the dark side. Obi-Wan failed in his duty. (Though Ani was stupid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 Hey, hey guys! Spoiler tags! Spoiler tags! This is a non spoiler forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 obi was victorious over ani, and we can't blame ani's acceptance of the dark side on Obi1. we can, however, blame ani's betrayal of the dark side on Obi1... however, none of this is evidence to which one was correct, we can only use clues from the movies and books to point us in the right direction. alas, Obi1 wanted Ani to stay in the hangar, yet, ani disobeyed obi1 and flew off into space to box with the TF... where would we be without Ani's clear disregard for the rules? without ani doing his stuff, obi1 would be dead...(he would have fallen to his death on coruscant) this would have happened if he had been able to better control ani at a younger age. and without anis recklessness, Zam wessel never would have been captured, etc. so we would all be in deep trouble without ani being reckless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 If Ani hadnt left the hangar then the Trade Federation would have slaughtered all the Gungans (not saying if thats good or bad). We dont know that Obi would have fallen to his death, there is a good chance he never would have been in that situation. And what good did capturing Zam do, give Palpatine his army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelScum! Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Prime Anakin is a punk... Obi-Wan was right... Yep you said it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin If Ani hadnt left the hangar then the Trade Federation would have slaughtered all the Gungans (not saying if thats good or bad). We dont know that Obi would have fallen to his death, there is a good chance he never would have been in that situation. And what good did capturing Zam do, give Palpatine his army? i'm not saying that obi1 would have fallen to his death, but i am sure that BFN would have ended up with Naboo losing. And giving palpy his army was a good thing that came of zam's capture,, and the death of jango, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 How would they have lost the Battle of Naboo? The Gungans were just a distraction, and the space battle was just to minimize the number of Gungan casualties. If they hadn't taken out the droid control ship, then they would still capture the viceroy and win the battle, but there would be a lot more Gungan deaths. How was giving Palpatine his army a good thing? What is so important about killing Jango? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 A) more gungans would have died, and i would have put my money on the viceroy not being captured B) Palpy needed his army to "defeat" the separatists, and in turn give us TIE Interceptors:D C) Because if jango didn't die, i don't think boba would be a bounty hunter of his sorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 A) What was going on with the Gungans in no way affected the capture of the viceroy. The destruction of the droid control ship did nothing to help in the capture of the viceroy. Simple deductive reasoning: P1. Nothing would have been different in capturing the viceroy without the destruction of the droid control ship. P2. They captured the viceroy under the condition that the droid control ship was destroyed. C. They would have captured the viceroy under the condition that the droid control ship was not destroyed. B) One way or another, Palpatine would have gotten his army. And if not, I highly doubt that Dooku would lead the Seperatists to defeat the Republic. That was against the whole point. The Seperatists would not attack unless the Republic could repel them. C) I'm sure Boba would still be as great of a bounty hunter if his dad was around longer. And if not, is that really the biggest deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 A)but without the droid ship, the movie wouldn't have been the same, so they would have had to make the story nteresting, so viceroy wouldn't have been captured:D B) dooku is crazy, who knows what he'd do C)yes, yes it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 A) You don't think the mass slaughter of Gungans would be interesting? There are plenty of other ways to make it interesting. And if there is a whole left in the story, that would not be an appropriate way to fill it. You don't substitute a major victory with a major failure, just because the story would feel wrong without the major victory. B) What makes you say Dooku is crazy? I can think of at least one reason that he wouldn't defy Sidious. C) As I said before, he would most likely not be a significantly different bounty hunter if Jango lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin B) What makes you say Dooku is crazy? I can think of at least one reason that he wouldn't defy Sidious. i won't bother arguing the other points, but dooku is crazy enough to try and fight yoda:smirk2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 He ran away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 true, or true not: he boxed for a little while?, then had to fight dirty to get away scott free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 He had to demonstrate his power, and cause more confusion in the Jedi Council. He made sure to get out before the fighting got serious. That sounds perfectly sane to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 no, a sane person would see yoda pull out a saber and run away screaming for mercy although, most sith don't seem sane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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