Druid Bremen Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 I was wondering if it were possible to make a cliff without clipping, csg subtracting and all that? I doubt its possible but I need the cliff thingie as quick as possible...
EvilJedi Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Pretty sure the cliff is a model. But if you dont want to use clipper/cgs substract... well just make the brushes
Druid Bremen Posted June 2, 2004 Author Posted June 2, 2004 Ok, actually what I want is NOT a cliff. Its a large vertical piece of rock with ledges and nooks and crannies and all that. The models don't provide that.. Anybody have any good idea BESIDES USING BRUSHES?
Druid Bremen Posted June 2, 2004 Author Posted June 2, 2004 I said I needed it fast, and I don't know modeling, so it would take a long time to do so. Fine, I'll rephrase my question: Does anyone know where to find map models on the internet?
keshire Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 Does anyone know where to find map models on the internet? Why yes. Yes I do. Plenty of Map models.
Jedi_Vogel Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 You know, search engines are wonderful things, I don't understand why people don't think of them... hmmm...
Druid Bremen Posted June 2, 2004 Author Posted June 2, 2004 You speak as though I did not try using search engines. For your information, I've been googling the internet for quite some time already, to no avail.
Jedi_Vogel Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 I apologise, it wasn't meant to be a personal comment, so I'm sorry if I caused offence.
keshire Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 And no cliffs? Wow thats actually pretty surprising. I would help you out but I'm swamped with other projects at the moment. The request forum may yield decent results since its a simple request.
Druid Bremen Posted June 2, 2004 Author Posted June 2, 2004 Originally posted by Jedi_Vogel I apologise, it wasn't meant to be a personal comment, so I'm sorry if I caused offence. Lol no problem, I'm okay with it too. No hard feelings. Keshire, actually I did not mean to make anybody make a model of what I wanted. I only asked if there was a good way to make it myself besides wasting days of brushwork, or finding it from the Internet. I've tried asking some stuff on the requests forum, but I've given up hope on that, as people usually only work on popular skins and whatnot, instead of boring models like the one I need. Thanks anyway...
Kengo Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 How about trying gensurf, one of the plugins for GTK Radiant? It's a little bit of a pain to get to grips with at first, but it does offer up some interesting results if you play around with it. I spent a couple of days learning it and created a passable rocky canyon thingy, shortly after getting GTK. Its results are brush based, mind you. Rgoer wrote a really detailed tutorial on using EasyGen here , I don't know much about that program aside from the fact that it is used for terrain creation. I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of drawbacks to using model based terrain, big performance hits for one. Not that terrain generators don't have their problems.
wedge2211 Posted June 2, 2004 Posted June 2, 2004 How about these? All are default game models. models/map_objects/desert/t_swall_50.md3 models/map_objects/desert/t_swall_new_50.md3 models/map_objects/vjun/vcurve.md3 models/map_objects/vjun/vhub.md3 models/map_objects/vjun/vrock.md3
Druid Bremen Posted June 3, 2004 Author Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Kengo How about trying gensurf, one of the plugins for GTK Radiant? It's a little bit of a pain to get to grips with at first, but it does offer up some interesting results if you play around with it. I spent a couple of days learning it and created a passable rocky canyon thingy, shortly after getting GTK. Its results are brush based, mind you. Well, I tried Gensurf too, but all it seemed to do for me was create mountaineous terrain. What I need is not terrain, but a tall vertical rock block, something like those natural pillars. Wedge, those are pretty much what I need, but does anybody know how to re-texture the models?
Lil Killa Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 By the time you read this message you should have been able to have hand made your cliffs out of brushes or patch meshes with all the details you needed. See sometimes if you try you can achieve
Druid Bremen Posted June 3, 2004 Author Posted June 3, 2004 The reason why I am turning to models is because I do not have/do not know the techniques to make such a thing with brushes alone. How realistic would it look? Maybe it would look better with patch meshes, but once again, I'm not familiar with them. Mind giving me a few tips Killa?
Lil Killa Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 make alot of triangular brushes (make a square and clip it once diagonaly and the duplicate it a few times) and use vertex edit (select the brush and press V) to move the verts around till you get some smooth looking terrain. You can also use a shader that will add phong shading to your terrain for some slick looking smooth shadows) This does take a bit of practice to get used to but to tell you the truth..... Unless you use some of the models posted above you will have to use a brush or patch method as there is no other way unless you get a modeling program and make your own cliff stuff.
Jedi_Vogel Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Druid Bremen anybody know how to re-texture the models? I've never tried, but you could try replacing the default textures for these models with your own pics and see what happens. I think...
Druid Bremen Posted June 3, 2004 Author Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Lil Killa make alot of triangular brushes (make a square and clip it once diagonaly and the duplicate it a few times) and use vertex edit (select the brush and press V) to move the verts around till you get some smooth looking terrain. You can also use a shader that will add phong shading to your terrain for some slick looking smooth shadows) This does take a bit of practice to get used to but to tell you the truth..... Unless you use some of the models posted above you will have to use a brush or patch method as there is no other way unless you get a modeling program and make your own cliff stuff. Hmm okay.. I'm not sure about what you mean when you say "clip it once diagonally and then duplicate it a few times" though.. How do I place them? Could you clarify it? Edit: I think what you mean is the type of cliffs with triangular ledges and outcroppings? If so, actually what I want is a tall vertical stone rock thing, with cracks and such..
Jedi_Vogel Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by GothiX Use the _remap key on a misc_model.
wedge2211 Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 One other thing you can try, that achieves about the same effect as what killa's talking about, is to make a GenSurf ground surface and then flip it on its side. If you then, with the surface selected, press V, you can drag the green boxes (vertices) around to warp the terrain however you like. @GothiX: that _remap key could be useful to me...can you be a bit more explicit on its usage? Does it take a texture/shader as a parameter, or a set of them?
Druid Bremen Posted June 4, 2004 Author Posted June 4, 2004 That was very helpful Wedge, but how do I make it work on a circle/eight-sided pillar? (I know circle is unlikely to work, as as far as I know, its not possible to use gensurf on a curve)
GothiX Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 _remap is used to remap textures/shaders in the model. To remap all shaders to a given shader, use "*;models/mymodel/mytexture". To remap a specific shader, use "models/mymodel/old;models/mymodel/new". Take from the Q3A entity description.
lauser Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 Originally posted by Kengo I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of drawbacks to using model based terrain, big performance hits for one. Not that terrain generators don't have their problems. Kengo, mslaf recommends using models of objects and terrain as much as possible without going nuts. Well I went overboard with my 'MODEL' of the terrain I'm using for my current map. And thanks to GOTHIX I can now compile ASE models of terrain. Not only does it look better than any other available terrain gen program...it's so easy it's stupid. Once you have your terrain mapped out with some nice FAT patches, make a nicely blended terrain texture you can lay right over the top of it. You can adjust it according to your needs. When the final product is done, it looks remarkably real. Now sharp cliffs may be a bit harder because I have not tried those yet. But if I did I would most likely do straight brush work and just cut it up the way I want it. It's slow and tedious but so are a lot of programs. In the end I usually get what I want with patience.
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