Prime Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Greetings, Everyone wants to have fun playing games online. This can only be achieved by applying rules to dictate that players will play with honour. The huge success of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy can be attributed to the honourable code of conduct with which its players play. I think people will agree that this trend should continue with Battlefront so that the game can reach it's full potential. The last thing we need is lamers in this game as well. Here is an honourable code of conduct that should be enforced to allow fun to be had by all: 1. A player won't attack a person who doesn't have a weapon drawn, and won't attack a person who signals for non-agression. This talks only about "ON PURPOSE". If you attack someone and they put away their gun while you attacked, it's not your fault. 2. A person who doesn't want to fight will put his gun away and stay out of fighting zones. 3. A person looking to fight honourably one on one will also holster his weapon. The difference is, that if a person challenges you, you may look left-right, as in No, to show you are only spectating. 4. Definition of "duel" in Battlefront: A duel is when 2 or 3 players agree that they want to fight, one vs one and attack eachother and eachother only. They are simply fighting only themselves. 5. A person will never interrupt one on one fighting. 6. Definition of "lamer": Anyone who doesn't act by the concepts above OR abuses them. That means, you may not attack someone and then when they retaliate, you holster your weapon and call them lame. This is very bad. 7. A group of people going by the code are in a certain place, without their weapons raised, or when dueling. If a "lamer" comes and attacks these fighting players or the unarmed person, they should note it and all together or one-by-one kill him or at least make him leave. This concept is very important since it's the only way to fight "lamers". This also includes vehicle combat. If a "lamer" attacks two players fighting one against the other, if you are spectating you should kill him in any means, even if it would otherwise be considered laming. This sort of laming is honourable, since you are laming a lamer. 8. Also, should a vote be cast against a certain lamer, all players in the code should vote. 9. A person who is armed but not attacking, should be regarded as one looking for a one on one duel. Therefore, you may not attack them until you both agree you want to fight, either by taunting or showing an aggressive move. 10. These ideas apply only when the number of followers of the code exceeds the number of lamers/unlightened people on the server. This is since you can't force the code on anyone. 11. Anyone who hasn't been marked as a lamer should be regarded as neutral. 12. If you follow the code and want to note it to the server, place the tag HC in the end of your nickname. For example: Prime -HC- Note: that this only shows you ARE following the code. Should a person hold the tag without following the code, he should be noted and dealt with. Anyone who doesn't have HC will be regarded as neutral. I think you will agree that this will make Battlefront the funnest game ever! Comments are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 the first rule is lame. I've tried that rule in goldeneye for the n64. cause then they just put away thier guns, then gun your back. Full Metal jacket was a good movie. I better watch a pg rated movie before i get in trouble un public for repeating lines of the drill instructor. you sure aint no steer. alot of those rules are on the honore system, and not alot of people are honorable. I also just saw braveheart. FREEDOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idei Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 This is a different game than the Jedi series where combat has the possibility of ending up as a duel or a lightsaber fight. Battlefront scoring is based upon inflicting massive casualties on the other team and/or completing objectives. Based upon the team's ability to perform effectively, the team survives. Where in this equation does personal dueling belong? If a person doesn't want to fight they should be offline rather than having a set of rules to honorably fight them. If a player goes away from keyboard (afk) and takes up a slot on the server they should have a sense of fairplay to players that WANT to play and open up the slot rather than stay online in afk mode for hours at a time. afk players shouldn't be out-of-bounds, they should be clearing that slot up so other people can play. Being considerate on a server is great, that part i agree with. As for the rules, they need some serious revision in order to be applicable in a team based game like Battlefront. Idei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 yeah, and its a battle. If hitler wanted to duel with me, I'd say 'no' and shoot his little mustace face. You dont duel with your enemy. cause it'd be easier just to shoot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcoast2895 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 the atmosphere in battlefront will hopefully be what it is suppose to be, a large battle. in large battles, duels would be annoying. the no guns rule would be abused even though the idea seems to be good. i could see many people choosing to not have a gun and then go try to get a waypoint, flag, etc. having a set of unofficial rules is good idea for some games like jedi academy where it can become more one on one, but i don't see it helping gameplay for a battlefront type game. kinda like how it is not needed in seige for jedi academy. also the HC tag is a good idea, but it would be unfair for one person to have to follow the no gun rule while another person is shooting anything that moves. if people really want these types of rules, then they should note that in their server where they can enforce whatever they want. in any server without the HC tag, then there should not be any complaining, unlike jedi academy where sometimes you have to observe the game for a while to understand what type of server it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountainforest Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I don't have the idea such a code exitsts in jedi knight. Most time's there's a teamkiller in the game (on servers where voting is off). All to one doesn't help, because dying doesn't matter them (it happens ateamkiller picks a airplane in destroyer siege, flyingh around with it in the hangar until it exploded, and pick another one after respawning, you can't stop those guys). I think the only thing thta would stop teamkillers is a long time punishment, like being unable to join a server for a week, because you had too much teamkilles in the last game. That's one of the reasons I'm in a clan, and why I like to fight clan battles mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idei Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I agree with that statement eastcoast2895. yaebinn, as usual, comes up with a statement that means nothing. from out of nowhere he starts talking about hitler and how he wants to shoot him. all i sense in young yaebinn is anger. Idei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishlore Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 LOL!!! Am I on the right forum? This is for Star Wars BattleFront right? The game that will play similarly to Battlefield 1942? I couldn't imagine a single person from that community obeying one of those nonsensical rules. You guys are talking about duels and not shooting unarmed combatants? This has to be one of the most asinine things I've ever heard. We're talking about a war themed first person shooter here. Why would you duel someone? Unless you can run much faster, why would someone not use a weapon? What happened to playing games by the rules provided by the game? What's with the need to apply more rules to people. I promise I will never, ever follow a rule like that. How about a rule like this. If you don't want to fight, get off the server, boot up the sims and play something more your speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax64 Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I also agree with eastcoast2895. In a battle with up to 64 people fighting with each other, it is almost impossible to get everyone to follow the honor code. Someone will abuse it, and some people will get confused. Let's say a newbie comes upon a duel and decides to help his teammate out. He gets tagged a lamer just for not understanding the rules. It's even worse when someone has a microphone he can use to talk to someone, and the other player doesn't. Just trying to figure out if he wants to duel or not is really confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountainforest Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Originally posted by fishlore LOL!!! Am I on the right forum? This is for Star Wars BattleFront right? The game that will play similarly to Battlefield 1942? I couldn't imagine a single person from that community obeying one of those nonsensical rules. You guys are talking about duels and not shooting unarmed combatants? This has to be one of the most asinine things I've ever heard. We're talking about a war themed first person shooter here. Why would you duel someone? Unless you can run much faster, why would someone not use a weapon? What happened to playing games by the rules provided by the game? What's with the need to apply more rules to people. I promise I will never, ever follow a rule like that. How about a rule like this. If you don't want to fight, get off the server, boot up the sims and play something more your speed. The rules the game provides? Games don't oftne provide rules reagrding teamkilling, and I don't like it (I guess there are more people who think the same). It might be a little to much honour code, but not shooting people with a "I'm currentley not after my computer"-symbol on their head is not what should be the case. Teamkilling is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishlore Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I would never team kill. Some games have rules to prevent it (when you shoot someone, you take damage instead), some games don't have those rules. Either way I wouldn't do it. Asking someone not to team kill is different from asking people to be on the lookout for unarmed people on a battlefield in a war game, and then penalizing them for shooting first and asking questions later. My question is why you would want to duel in a game like this? Why would you go on a server then go AFK? Why would you be unarmed unless it meant getting to the enemy quicker? If you are AFK and someone kills you, so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idei Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 What happens is people want to stay on a popular server so they go afk instead of logging out and opening up a slot on the server. During that time, people can't join because the server is filled, and the teams are usually uneven due to the fact afkers aren't playing. Idei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountainforest Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Originally posted by Idei What happens is people want to stay on a popular server so they go afk instead of logging out and opening up a slot on the server. During that time, people can't join because the server is filled, and the teams are usually uneven due to the fact afkers aren't playing. Idei If I see my jumoing button is configured wrong, I'd really apreciate it if people don't shoot me while I set it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 No, the hitler analogy is valid. If your enemy (hitler) wants to duel you. You say no and shoot him because he is your enemy. I dont want to duel with an iraqui, cause then it'd be easier for him to kill me. I'd fight guerilla war fare and hide behind bushes and pop out to snapshoot. Not duel like a bloody englishman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idei Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 If you had to reconfigure your keyboard while in a tournament would you expect the tournament match to stop? There will be players that play that hard, and unless it's a private server amongst friends they should have the right to play hard. Idei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishlore Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 I'm not trying to tell people how to play their game that they buy with their money. I'm not a greifer or someone who acts jerk-like. But to be honest if you want to duel or whatnot, you'd be best off if you created your own 2 to 4 person server with "DUELS ONLY" in the title. Whether you like it or not the gameplay will resemble Battlefield 1942 more than any other war themed FPS. If you've ever played a game of Battlefield 1942 or one of it's mods you understand that the following scenario is completely normal. You're flying high speed and high altitude over the battlefield. You have a fighter on your tail and you make a sharp turn, see a few colored pixels you know represents an enemy and you let loose a bomb. You don't stop to think, hmmm he might have been unarmed. In fact he might have been trying to duel someone. If everyone was face to face with a lightsaber, that is perfectly understandable to have codes of ethics or whatever. But having large scale combined arms battles you don't have time to worry about things like people being unarmed or dueling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jed Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Prime, you're kidding, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sounds Risky Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Of course he is, this is way too hysterical to be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre9 Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Originally posted by Sounds Risky Of course he is, this is way too hysterical to be serious. Tell me about it. It's nonsense like that that damaged the online community for JO/JA. It's the reason the original -ASC- clan was formed. What utter crap. We do *NOT* need this *BS* in another Star Wars game. It infected JO/JA, lets contain the pathogen there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler_Durden Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Umm, actually there are no duels in this game so these rules do not apply as you always have a gun drawn and if you don't you probably have a thermal detonator in your hand in which case you are a lot more likely to be shot at. I don't know if anyone has played a battlefield game like 1942 or vietnam but there are no such duels or rules such as honor, it's pretty much shoot the guy with the red or blue name Also, trust me, if there are servers even half as much as vietnam, you'll have very little trouble finding a good one with cool admins, also i'm sure the game will be monitored for lamers and what not. Vietnam and 1942 had punkbuster, so i'm sure Pandemic has seen that and has implemented a lamer resistant feature of their own, at least i hope. But really when i play vietnam, there really aren't a whole lot of lamers anyway, and the ones that are out there get kicked pretty quick, by either admin or vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted June 6, 2004 Author Share Posted June 6, 2004 Originally posted by Jed Prime, you're kidding, right? OMG thank you Jed. It took 15 posts before someone clued in that I was joking. I guess I sounded too serious. Or are you guys to nice? Like Sounds Risky, Sabre9, and fishlore said, the whole idea is assinine. Isn't every one of these rules not obviously ridiculously enough to be a joke? I was hoping someone would notice, but I pretty much cut and pasted the JO saberist code "honour rules" word for word. The point I am trying to make is that if they are foolish in Battlefront, why aren't they just as foolish in JO and JA? Just because there are Jedi and sabers? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_night Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 As I've said many times, many ways. No one, and I mean NO-god-d***ed-ONE has the right to stop anyone from playing the game how they choose.* *I'm not supporting honourz or anti-honourz, I'm supporting "play the game how YOU want to, and F*** anyone who tries to keep you from doing so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre9 Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Originally posted by Prime OMG thank you Jed. ... The point I am trying to make is that if they are foolish in Battlefront, why aren't they just as foolish in JO and JA? Just because there are Jedi and sabers? Discuss. You needed to change your avatar to Megatron for that. Much more fitting. Anyway, I was hoping it was a joke, but after seeing 2 good games practically go down in flames in part because of it, I'm not taking chances with it infecting a brand new game, with this much potential. I'll admit, jokes like this'll get me everytime. I'd rather fall for a joke than risk the chance of not alerting everyone to a possible disaster-in-the-making... I'm so noble... sniff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 It's hilarious how many people actually took this seriously. MOD MAKERS: DO NOT GET ANY IDEAS ABOUT ADMIN MODS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Jack Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 The way you are supposed to play Battlefront is going to be how Jk2 & JKA should be played now.. If this crap was to spread to that game it would truly be dead. Good thing your joking, but it will happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.