DK_Viceroy Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 May I remind you an Expansion pack is just that an Expansion. A NJO Expansion Pack would not make the entire game focus around the NJO it would merely add a NJO facet to the jewel that would be our Beloved and long awaited Star Wars RTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I know what you said and I know what an Expansion's purpose is. You just fail to see that LEC has to make $$$ If for example, Battlefront had an NJO ex-pac, do you think the sales of that ex-pac will be great? I don't think so. Their target market will be a lot smaller. You have to think realistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Well Kotor was pure EU and it is there biggest game they have ever released. I don't mind a EU RTS but not as an expansion give it a home of its own but not the 2005 release maybe 2008. I think LA will slowly bring people away from the movies in the coming years with there games seeing as theres only so much you can make from the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 KOTOR developped its own story and took what was good about the movies and put it into a game. An NJO x-pac will put what was crappy about it into an x-pac. And by what was crappy, I mean everything about the NJO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 You fail to see that they can only pump out so many games based on the movies. Once they have tried every angle they are going to need something new and as it stands there running out of angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Once it's going to be over, it's going to be over. You fail to see that they're going to have such a small market it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I don't see the problem with a NJO game most games that come out now are EU. They try new things out if they fail they learn from there mistakes. Just because you don't like EU doesn't mean others agree with you. The only game based on the movies in the mainstream atm is battlefront. I don't want it mixed in with a RTS based on the movies but on its own is ok. Nothing in Kotor is from the movies. It was based 4000 years before the Republic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Originally posted by FroZticles Nothing in Kotor is from the movies. It was based 4000 years before the Republic.... You don't understand. Kotor took the spirit of the movies, the way it touches your heart and put it in a game. In the same way, just because you like EU doesn't mean a majority like EU or even the average fan will like EU. It would be LEC trying to satisfy the few NJO fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Whats to say they cannot make NJO the same spirit as the movies? If the game is good people will buy. I'm not a huge fan of EU but I accept it because thats all thats out there right now. Also I question why you believe so many people hate NJO when you don't speak for all of us. Most people except 2 or 3 on the forums have no problem with it. Also I love the way you spin what I say to back your arugment..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 The NJO already has a big backstory. A game about it would have to be based around that. Now, we know the NJO is almost nothing like the movies. This is not whether or not people have a problem with it. It's whether or not they'll consider buying a game based around the NJO. To take KOTOR as an example. When the average fan picks up the box he sees: "You get to be a Jedi, wield a lightsaber and fight the Sith!" When they're going to pick up an NJO game: "You get to be a Jedi, wield a lightsaber and fight the Yuuzhan Vong, a nasty bunch of aliens from outer space!" Gamer: What the hell? Is this really Star Wars? Also note that all the mainstream SW games out there have a pretty big link to the movies. First KOTOR with its Jedi vs. Sith, JA with you slicing stormtroopers, Battlefront is obvious and the soon to be Republic Commando will feature Clone troopers fighting CIS droids and one of the Ep3 villain. Not weird aliens from outer space. Now, I might sound a purist but I enjoy some EU books and stories. I really liked the Thrawn Trilogy and the EU pre-Ep1. Sure it might contradict the movies but the stories are a lot more Star Wars-ish then the NJO will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I think as soon as they see the lightsaber they will realise its Star Wars. Unless they are mentally disabled. Yes there all mainstream but only one of them is true to the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 You're missing the point. There's a light sword in Halo 2 and it isn't Star wars at all. Why? Because it's about humans fighting aliens. Was Star Wars ever about humans fighting aliens? No. In fact, I can almost say that Star Wars is one of the only sci-fi story involving humans fighting humans, not aliens. This is what really killed the NJO IMO. Mars invades the Earth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 You don't like them fighting aliens..... wow I thought it was something huge. The movies are focusing on one timeline Republic vs Confed, Empire vs Rebels, Jedi vs Sith..... I don't see the problem with them fighting an invading galaxy of aliens. If it was based on Jedi vs Wookiees would you have the same beef? Well Mars cannot invade Earth theres nothing living on Mars.... well not now anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Jedi vs. Wookiees: It depends. If that's the main focus of the story, yes I would have. It makes no sense. And obviously, you didn't know what I meant by "Mars invades the Earth"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 What Luke is trying to say is that NJO is an entirely different genre to Star Wars. Star Wars is soft sci-fi, a space opera - the fact it is set in space is inconsequential. NJO is hard sci-fi - the space setting is essential to the story, because such a bizarre opponent as the Vong could only be aliens from outer space. This is not just Vostok the Purist being critical. The NJO authors themselves have intentionally made the NJO extraordinarily different so that it stands apart from the movies. This was there intention, so if you believe the NJO fits in perfectly well with the movies then the authors have failed. Star Wars games that feature EU either partially or fully still resemble the movies for the most part. KOTOR is a great space opera in that it is more of a swashbuckling adventure than science fiction. Jedi Outcast is less so; although the story is more hard sci-fi than space opera, the makers of the game intentionally went against some of the established EU to make it at least look like the movies. But the NJO is so intentionally different thematically and aesthetically that it would be extremely hard to make a decent game of it under the Star Wars title. KOTOR and JO resemble the movies, so people who have seen the movies will want to buy the game. NJO does not, and there are far, far less EU fans than movie fans. So it just isn't economically wise to make a game based on the NJO, as sales just won't match those of a game based on the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I can actually see NJO fitting in with the movies not as in the sense Vostok the predictable thinks but in the sense that it binds together all of the other stories created by the movies I consider it a Tie Together in preparation for another branch off that will keep Star Wars going after the films stop because it may pain all of us to admit it that unless GL commits himself to creating an EPs 7,8 and 9 or moviefiying all of the EU the movies will stop regardless of whether we want them to or not it's a straight forward fact. The NJO series I think is good because they were introduced a long time ago it's only know that they've manifested they came they saw they tried to conquer but they failed they continued on the Star Wars tradition that the jedi nearly always triumph even when they loose a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 How can NJO possibly tie together the movies when it is set decades after the movies and when the NJO authors themselves have intentionally moved away from the themes of the movies? That really makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I have never claimed to make sense. I think that's what the NJO actually does I think it ties up all of the loose storylines and prepares for aqnother round of EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Since JA left out some classic movie songs and did not have movie like cutscenes makes it not as close to the movies as Kotor....... GL already said this is the last one. So after that the only thing keeping Star Wars alive is EU so some purists here really need to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I wouldn't say that Vostok will go on with his Cliche Spiel about how the movies will endure because they are the Movies they'll always be popular blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Because nobody watches a classic like Casablanca anymore Classics are timeless. The Star Wars OT will be timeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 4,5,6 won't appeal to the next generation of kids as much as 1,2,3 will because of the technology side of things. Kids love light shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 So? Things come and go. One day, the Star Wars legacy will eventually end. but not now and not the next generation either. Something that has had such an impact on the pop culture up to this day is not easily forgotten. BTW, how does it make EU more appealing to future generations of kids? EU is mainly books and comics. The comics industry is in decline and kids don't read book anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 EU is basically everything star wars except the movies and a few games. So kids already love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Okay folks, this is why the NJO would not work as part of a game and yet other pure-EU like KotOR does. 1. KotOR, like the films, is Fantasy, whereas NJO is Sci-Fi. The difference here is that in Fantasy it is the story that matters and things just work, it doesnt matter how, whereas Sci-Fi it does matter and hence has a different feel because it is more 'technical' and less 'flighty' 2. KotOR didnt have any film stats to fit in with, the NJO has to work in the confines oif the films (to an extent) 3. KotOR's storyline was and is malleable, all other EU is not 4. The NJO goes against the films. such as - Films = the force is in everything - NJO = a planet can strip something of the force - Films = a lightsabre can cut anything - NJO = a snake can stop a lightsabre and there are more examples 5. Even if NJO was used in games, it wouldnt be the same as the books. For example, in JA Corran Horn is a Jedi teacher 3 years after the 'Academy Trilogy', and the Massassi Temple he destroyed in 'I, Jedi' still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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