Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I read in another thread that there were some people who think that pornography isn't evil...I would like to discuss why pornography takes away ALL respect for women and men. How it leads to a pathetic life style. And how it effects the brain. Ave Maria, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlt Coranier Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 So.... discuss. :rolleyes:You're supposed to put up an argument why it's evil. I don't think it's evil because it doesn't injure or kill anyone. What is wrong with it? It's just watching a natural thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Andy ,yu Catholic ,i am ,and im dang proud of it .welcome to the forum ,and by the way ,great thread ,porn is intrinsiccally evil. andy whats your phatmass screename ,mine is the same as it is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlt Coranier Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 porn is intrinsiccally evil. What the hell does 'intrinsiccally' mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadisticmonkey Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Intrinsic knowledge is when you have knowledge by a personal experience, or so my english teacher says if that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 Revlt Coranier, you say it isn't evil because it doesn't injure or kill someone...That isn't a very good arguement, here is why. Well if everything that didn't injure or kill someone wasn't evil then stealing must not be evil, then greed must not be evil, then lying must not be evil. The list can go on and on. And when you said that It's just watching a natural thing. A natural thing that is solely for the purpose of reproduction, procreation. Not for entertainment. Sex is beautiful because it produces life. It produces daughters, sons, cousins, brothers, sisters, friends. Pornography gradually cripples a man's ability to love. It is impossible to love a fantasy, but living in a world of fantasy allows a guy to escape from reality and evade the demands of authentic love. In a way, the fact that pornography allows men to indulge their lust without having to worry about pregnancy or STDs is part of the problem. It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust. No one suffers from the sexual activities of others and the men, at least, are always carefree, unrestrained. . . . The priority of lovingly protecting one's partner is of little concern in pornography because no harm seems possible...Pornography distorts love...The viewer is searching for love, but all they are getting is an obsession and a false view of love. Pornography drives a man/woman to value a woman only for what she gives him rather than for the person she is. Thus causing the viewer to lose respect for the person. They view the opposite sex as an object rather than a person. Love requires sacrifice...(For all the Christians look at Christ's love for you; for atheist's look at your friends love for you.) Ave Maria, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 couldnt have said it any better andy .yu go man !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlt Coranier Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 In a way, the fact that pornography allows men to indulge their lust without having to worry about pregnancy or STDs is part of the problem. It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust. No one suffers from the sexual activities of others and the men, at least, are always carefree, unrestrained. . . . The priority of lovingly protecting one's partner is of little concern in pornography because no harm seems possible Those are all good things about porn. And you are right about just because it doesn't injure or kill it doesn't mean it's not evil. I should have explained. Those are SOME of the reasons it's not evil. My quote of you above lists a lot of great things about porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 Those are all good things about porn. Great Things???? So it is now great to distort Love. It is a great thing to have an fake illusion of love. It is great to fool yourself in thinking that is satisfying? It is great to view women as objects ? I sure hope you aren't married, and if you aren't I sure hope that when/if you do get married your wife knows you view her as an object of self-pleasure. She is nothing more than fullfilling your pictures you see. You idea of love becomes a woman's body...rather than a woman's soul. Ave Maria, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 and ur only 14, revlt coranier? does ur momma know you look at porn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obaraljamar Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 well fiat, your points are really good, but i think you're describing what happens to people who are addicted to porn. i look at porn accasionally (in my lower times i admit) but i dont regard women as objects, or treat them that way. but porn does degrade women and does push that message, so it becomes a problem of people not being able to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and if that's the case, anything could be potentially dangerous -Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 Obarljamar...you are partially right. But the amount of times you view it doesn't chage what it is. I do agree that it may change the way you feel about it or the way you view it, but it does not change what it is. It is like if you are addicted to eating cookies. (Follow me here) When you are addicted to eating cookies you become very fat. However, if you occasionally eat cookies you still become fat, but at a slower rate and to a lesser degree. You may not think you are getting fat, but it add up and you suddenly find yourself 5 lbs. overweight...then 10 lbs. overweight...then you find yourself addicted to pornography...I mean cookies. I agree anything could be potientialy dangerous, it's not the danger that is evil. It is what it is...what it does...and where it leads that is evil. Ave Maria, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 Fantasy kills Reality...Lust kills Love. Ave Maria, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 It encourages him to live in a world in which sexuality offers only pleasure without meaning or consequences, in which no one gets pregnant, no one catches a disease, no one shows signs of guilt, fear, remorse, embarrassment, or distrust. So....jerking off in general is evil too? Even if you're not looking at porn? And having sex with a condom is evil because you're not going to have a kid or contract diseases from it? Sex is only okay if you might have a baby or get an illness and DIE? That is BIZARRE and ur only 14, revlt coranier? does ur momma know you look at porn? Oh noes! He looks at porn and is only 14, his mother is angerful! Honestly, I have more respect for my girlfriend than almost any man I've ever met, and I look at porn all the time. It doesn't devalue women at all in my idea, it's just pictures of people having sex that's fun to watch. ANd your analogy about cookies is completely wrong Voluntas. It's a magical thing called metabolism. If you only eat a few cookies every now and then your body will burn off the calories during your everyday activities, especially if you exercise. You'll only end up obese if you eat a LOT of cookies every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by Fiat_Voluntas_T Pornography drives a man/woman to value a woman only for what she gives him rather than for the person she is. Thus causing the viewer to lose respect for the person. They view the opposite sex as an object rather than a person. baseless generalizations. I look at porn a lot, I have a loving, lasting relationship with my gf, I don't see her as a sex object, I see her as someone I can spend the rest of my life with talking to, holding, and sharing my problems and life with, and I can see myself listening to her problems, and having a family with her. I am willing to comprimise my dreams for her. Porn has never effected my ability to have sex, the only thing that has ever really done that was a 7 shot of vodka. and I don't get some falsified love when I look at porn, I get an erection and I masturbate to release my sexual tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 ET Warrior... You sure do have a sense of humor. What is the main purpose of sex...what is the outcome...not the side effects. It is procreation incase you aren't sure. (And if you want to talk about why masterbation and contraceptives are wrong we can, but not in this topic...let's stick to why pornography is evil.) Let me get this straight ETwarrior...you think you respect you girlfriend more than anyone you know...(I wasn't just talking about your girlfriend in my earlier post, I was talking about women in general) So you say you respect all women...You respect them by looking at them naked...By watching them have sex...So this is respect? Let's say your mom was in those picture's. Let's say your sister was in those pictures. Let's say in a few years your daughter was in those pictures. Some guy is viewing them, probably masterbating over your mom/daughter/sister...but then again... It doesn't devalue women at all in my idea, it's just pictures of people having sex that's fun to watch. With Charity, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuosis Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I believe porn is what you make of it. Like anything in life. If you really believe every girl acts like a porn star, you are mistaken. Though there are the occasional that want to be a porn star. But as long as you don't think of them as objects than they never will become them. I've watched porn for years, and not once have I ever though of women as a tool to just use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Originally posted by Fiat_Voluntas_T Let's say your mom was in those picture's. Let's say your sister was in those pictures. Let's say in a few years your daughter was in those pictures. Some guy is viewing them, probably masterbating over your mom/daughter/sister...but then again... so someone finds my mother/sister/daughter attractive. Alright. I respect all women, doesn't mean I can't see them as the beautiful creatures they are. A naked body is wonderful and not dirty. And if my mother/sister/daughter wanted to do porn, that is their choice, not mine. I may not necessarily like them doing it, but it's their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I dont recall ever looking at all women naked, so that means I dont' disrespect them all by looking at porn apparently. Only the ones who are willing to show off their bodies to the camera. I think if they're willing to do it, who am I to say they're wrong? And I think talking about masturbation and contraceptives are fairly on topic in a thread about porn, so I'm just curious why contraceptives and masturbation are so wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 It is possible for you to respect one woman. But I am talking about what a woman is...what she deserves. Ask you mom or your sister or your girlfriend if they think pornography gives women the respect they deserve. See if they would like to have men watch them...masterbate over them. Because if pornography does give women respect then your mom, sister, grandma, girlfriend, and every girl you know should say yes. Tell me what they say... With Charity, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 ET warrior...let's finnish talking about pornography first. ET warrior...you don't care who you look at on-line, and even if you did you still don't know her...so you are basically saying you don't care about who you are looking at, you don't care about who they are, you don't care about them as a person...All you care about is what you see. Appearance only...thus resulting in disrespect. With Charity, andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 I think if they're willing to do it, who am I to say they're wrong? So if someone is willing to kill someone..."Who am I to say they are wrong?" So if someone is willing to steal something..."Who I am to say they are wrong?" So if someone is willing to rape someone..."Who am I to say they are wrong?" You are a man...You should tell people they are wrong even when they don't want you to...You should stand up for women even when they don't think they deserve it, or when they don't want it. With Charity, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 if the woman CHOSE the profession then why the hell would she complain and call it wrong? That's stupid. That's like someone becoming a waiter and complaining that they're being objectified as a food service drone and not as a human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_T Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Insanesith... With all respect that is a poor arguement...I am saying that that fact that you are looking at it is wrong...Because there are women out there willing to pose for pictures doesn't justify their acts. It is assinine to say that because the women do it they are wanting respect. There are many many many women who think they don't deserve respect because of the way they have been treated. Just because a woman says she doesn't want respect doesn't mean you shouldn't give her respect...Be a man...stand up for the dignity of women. With charity, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Exactly, all those other things you listed were HURTING other people. Porn hurts nobody. (unless it's bondage style, then somepeople get hurt ) And since you've never watched porn Voluntas, I'm going to tell you that there are, in fact, naked men in there aswell. So porn objectifies men just as much as women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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