neon_git Posted August 27, 2004 Posted August 27, 2004 I'm sure this has probably been debated quite a lot before but you'll have to forgive me because i'm new to the forums. So... Manny doesn't seem to have been a bad soul in life judging by his actions in death so why was he made to be a reaper? My theories are that maybe when you die it might change your outlook on "life". Or possibly you are made to forget so you don't spend your time looking back and cursing your actions instead of helping other souls. i don't find either of these ideas really satisfying so if there are any other theories out there i'd like to hear them
Shuz Posted August 28, 2004 Posted August 28, 2004 I think Manny has a good soul but his circumstances in his life may have caused him to do some bad things. He may have had to steal to survive or he accidently killed someone, I dont know. Life is very complex and the motives and circumstances of a persons actions can be even more complex.
Captain Gonzo Posted August 28, 2004 Posted August 28, 2004 It's mentioned a few times that Manny is working off a 'debt' at the DOD. I think one of the most interesting unanswered questions in Grim is, what exactly did Manny do wrong in his life to deserve this debt? The story is cooler for never telling us and maintaining the mystery really. A similar thing that springs to mind is in the film Pulp Fiction, we never see what's in the briefcase. Leaving little things like that to the imagination is always neat.
Ck Posted August 30, 2004 Posted August 30, 2004 I reckon manny was a hell raiser! lol He probably seemed a better soul in the game because he'd been working a the DOD for ages! learnt the error of his ways, if ya like lol
JawaJoey Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 I think it's a great mystery, and I like it just the way it is: Mysterious. He says in the game that he doesn't know what he did. That's interesting, as it implies that he didn't really do anything blatantly wrong. Plus his conduct in the Land of the Dead shows that he's a good guy, he's just seems sad, yet accepting, that he's stuck paying off a debt. But it's not only that I like the mystery that I don't want to guess why, it's also that it's ridiculous to even attempt to theorize on. Think about it. What would we be guessing? His entire life? What do we have to go on? He's in moral debt, he doesn't even know why, and it would have been different if he had had a car like the bone wagon when he was alive. The possibilities are endless! And there is no way to validate anything.
Ck Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Originally posted by JawaJoey The possibilities are endless! And there is no way to validate anything. Which is just why we all love it! as it's said somewhere above it maintains the mystery of the game. I don't think it would of worked if they explained manny's whole story.
Sally Limones Posted September 1, 2004 Posted September 1, 2004 I like to think that he didn't actually do anything wrong, he was sent to the DOD for a reason. Ie, perhaps, rooting out the corruption? Who knows, this is the higher powers we're talking about here. ~Sal
neon_git Posted September 2, 2004 Author Posted September 2, 2004 Y'know, upon reflection i think i do like it better as a mystery. but that doesn't mean i'm going to stop asking dumb questions like ... uh .. so whos got a theory on why Glottis is orange? anyone?
EmTeeZ Posted September 2, 2004 Posted September 2, 2004 What? Weren't you guys paying attention to the story? The villains were taking away easy passage through the Land of the Dead from innocent people. Manny was one of those people who received a fate that was undeserved. He didn't know what he had done wrong because he didn't do anything wrong- the evil bureaucracy screwed him over.
Sally Limones Posted September 2, 2004 Posted September 2, 2004 No, that doesn't work because Manny was at once a star salesman. It doesn't make sense that later he isn't getting any sales if he was screwed over from day one. ~Sal
VampireNaomi Posted September 3, 2004 Posted September 3, 2004 I always got the impression that Manny actually did something bad, and then redeemed himself by fighting against corruption. I like him a lot better that way.
Sally Limones Posted September 3, 2004 Posted September 3, 2004 Manny says he doesn't know how he screwed up. He could have done nothing true, but as in, he did nothing with his life. He seems the drab and beaten down type at the beginning, maybe that's what he was like in life?? Theories, theories... ~Sal
VampireNaomi Posted September 3, 2004 Posted September 3, 2004 Or maybe he did something, but didn't know it. Like... maybe he was in a helicopter and accidentaly dropped a really heavy rock which hit someone and killed that person. In a way it was a murder, even if Manny didn't mean it and never heard about it. The DOD could have decided to be bureaucratic and make him a Reaper because of an accident he didn't know about. That sounds... silly.
Kloreep Posted September 6, 2004 Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by EmTeeZ What? Weren't you guys paying attention to the story? The villains were taking away easy passage through the Land of the Dead from innocent people. Manny was one of those people who received a fate that was undeserved. He didn't know what he had done wrong because he didn't do anything wrong- the evil bureaucracy screwed him over. But... until Hector came along, one would assume people did get their Double-N Tickets, if perhaps with bureacratic, glacial slowness. Late in the game in year 4, it's revealed that once Hector came along, he hoarded all the tickets he had in the vain hope that would help him weasel his way in to the Ninth Underworld. The tickets he sold were fakes. So, one would assume that if Manny had had a real ticket that was stolen from him, it would have been in that briefcase along with the others... but, no ticket jumped out at him as it would have. So I think we can conclude he indeed didn't earn a Double-N ticket while in this life.
Sally Limones Posted September 7, 2004 Posted September 7, 2004 -_- Why didn't I think of that? Grr. ~Sal
El Virus Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 I don't know why but I like to believe it had something to do about ripping off clients on a really big corporate scheme, I think he was what on the FBI they call a "white collar criminal". So I believe that is why he is helping Salva on his cause (subconsciously)
VampireNaomi Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 I am stupid. What's a "white collar criminal"?
El Virus Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 A person who creats a scheme to get people's money, goods, etc.(called like that due to ther corporate outfit). PS: you are not stupid, it is not a common term.
VampireNaomi Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 Ah, now I see. Maybe Manny was like that, I could see him doing it.
Murray the Chao Posted September 26, 2004 Posted September 26, 2004 Manny served the Zombie Pirate LeChuck in CMI, remember?
El Virus Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 I also believe he killed someone, I was playing the game again, and I noticed that (on the spanish translation, I don't if on others it does), while Manny is speaking to Meche, he asked her if he had never killed someone, on a tone that makes you believe he did.
VampireNaomi Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 Originally posted by El Virus I also believe he killed someone, I was playing the game again, and I noticed that (on the sapnish translation, I don't if on others it does), while Manny is speaking to Meche, he asked her if he had never killed someone, on a tone that makes you believe he did. Really? I never noticed that in the English version. What we have to keep in mind though, is that the English version is the original one. But anyway, I wouldn't put it past Manny. He was able to destroy Hector without a thought, and didn't he kind of trick Chepito into being captured by the octopus?
El Virus Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 You're right, the english is the original one. The only problem is that when you talk to Domino, Manny asks him about his past, and so does Domino, but Manny says he doesen´t know what he did to get stuck on El Marrow.
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