No Punkbuster? No Cheat Prevention?

[[RNGD]Tyrant]

The following is the answer from the Develop Interview on AV about Cheats

Our server-based structure will help with cheating from the client side. You will learn which servers you can trust and will have a tendency to play on those. In addition, we will be hosting a number of our own servers that we hope will be more secure. But we know that the cheaters will do whatever they can to try to break the game somehow, so we have a Live Team that will be dedicated to supporting the title after launch. As exploits come along, we hope to be able to address them as quickly as possible. I don't think any of us are naïve enough to think we will completely prevent cheaters, we just want to make it as difficult as possible for them.

 

Basically he is saying "figure it out yourself" and "we will try but those darn cheaters are so resourcefull"

 

He is admitting that the game will be rife with cheaters, and the promiss for updates is rather lame as those tend to come every 1-3 months, so if their is a cheat out in the world it could be there for months before they do anything. Why didnt they just incorporate Punkbuster, if this game is a copy of BF1942 why didnt they copy that feature too!?!

 

 

This is very dissapointing, I am now considering cancelling my preorder.

[S31 Apoc]

if PB isnt in 1.0.. then will will be in later if they support the game anything like they should.. I think i read that PB would be in, but im not sure read to much

[twruhl]

god i hope they have something

[JediCrow]

They said there is a "Live Team", which means they will probably be on the ball with it. And they do have a point. People will probably be able to kick cheaters off their servers, too.

[=HR=Meltdown]

Yeah, didn't they say something in the german interview about support for PB being included post release?

[[RNGD]Tyrant]

I am a server admin, I cant be on the server 24/7, and how do you spot cheaters anyway, they just might be very good players.

 

This of course will create a firestorm on every server that every good player is called a 'cheat'

 

and the 'LiveTeam' is bull****. Game releases/updates/fixes are months apart, they arent going to release a new version every week as new cheats are coming out

 

this is complete bull****

 

BF has two features to prevent cheats

1. PURE/UNPURE setting (which dissalows client side mods)

2. Punkbuster

 

 

they copied BF...why on earth didnt they copy the cheat prevention

[Mountainforest]

I don't like this anymore then you do, but I guess we can only wait for the game. I can't imagine they don't put any anti lam prevention in the game.

[Alegis]

Hey, if they will do a good job, why not let them. PB has caused a lot of troubles for people in the past (non cheaters), in terms of compatibility etc and if this works well, why not letthem?

 

I saw this one coming because evenbalance announces everytime whenever they signed a deal with a game (thats in development or already out), SW:BF never had this so i figured it wouldnt have PB.

 

Also note that LEC doesnt work with cd keys, and PB is based on cd keys after all. But who knows?

 

remember, PB isnt god at all. because its so popular, many exploits for it exist. (its like windows)

[S31 Apoc]

it would just be gay not to have PB or something.. as a bfv admin i can say its a MUST HAVE.... PB kinda sucks in all but it does keep "common" cheats off "just" the common ones...

[twruhl]

yeh but at least have somehting to act as a deturrent at a minumum, we just cant have the game open like that.

[jdtech]

I will play MP, but I mainly be bashing up bots as I'm not brilliant on these games (I'll admit it now)...

 

But I do think PB should be there, hopes for a V1.1 soon after game with PB & the scrapped units, I wonder what they had devised for the Clones & Droids? We had Bothan & Officer, maybe Clone Commando (to advertise Rep Commando) & Geonosian or something?

 

Cheers,

John

[Jan Gaarni]

Originally posted by JediCrow

They said there is a "Live Team", which means they will probably be on the ball with it. And they do have a point. People will probably be able to kick cheaters off their servers, too.

Yeah, but who is to judge who's a cheater and who's not?

 

I never cheat, but I've been accused of cheating multiple times since 1998.

 

I think they should add something like PunkBuster, otherwise, people like myself, or even better than myself (by far actually, I'm just an average player mind you, who has his good days from time to time ) are gonna get kicked or banned left and right.

[S31 Apoc]

yea cutting stuff to make teh DVD deadline is GAY.. "if that be the case" This is a big title for them I would hate to see it turned to **** because of some movies we ALL have already seen 100 times

[Alegis]

They didn't cut stuff for the deadline. the units were scrapped in like, december last year, and they were gold in begin of september, 20 days before release. They were scrapped for balancing issues.

 

Well you could at least give them a try right? In every game i played i have always hated cheaters and therefore always know what the enemy uses and what they can do. I probably might do some research on sw:bf as well when its out, its how i rate PB etc and can know better when someones a dirty cheatzor.

[Whoopknacker]

I wouldnt abandon the game because of the number of exploits that could exist. If I know someone is cheating I let others know and then I leave the server. Vote kick works.

 

I played Day of Defeat and unloaded an entire clip of a BAR rifle on a guy and nothing happened. I looked at the amount of times he died and it said 0. I told everyone. My teammates then realized it when they shot him too. He then gave in and took out the cheat after heckling and yelling at him.

 

Cheaters are the lowest form of player, theyre lower then teamkillers. All we can hope is that honest players will stick together.

[S31 Apoc]

there WILL BE PB, at least in some form.. look at question 4..

http://www.sw-bf.de/article.xhtml?id=14 It sounds as if at the very least PB will be on GSA master servers.. I hope its like the BF series myself...

[Jan Gaarni]

DoD came with penalties for Team Killers, but they just changed tactics to Team Wounding.

 

Funny story really, after they added the penalty, I had been away for a time, started playing the game again, encountered a TK'er who got on my nerves eventually, so I made his time in game equally worse by trimming him with my gun.

Unfortunatly I didn't notice the auto warnings and got banned from the servers.

[[RNGD]Tyrant]

dont you see how insane that is?

 

They are admitting that they have put the burden of cheat prevention on the players themselves. That means you have to constantly be on the lookout. And of course it will create chaos in servers with people accusing eachother of cheating (which was the case in BF before PB and PURE Servers)

 

 

what is sad is that they know it and are releasing the game anyway...here is an except from an old interview on a German Site before (it seems) they abandoned cheat prevention:

 

All of us here think that cheating effectively ruins online games. How much fun can it really be to get automatic kills through walls, anyways? As such, we're using a host of methods in-code to prevent such hacks and cheats. Also, as an added layer of protection, we will be supporting PunkBuster through GameSpy's service.

Source: http://www.sw-bf.de/article.xhtml?id=14

 

Clearly both of these interview answers cant be the same, I am assuming the more recent is the more accurate.

 

 

God I hope I am wrong, but as of now I have cancelled my preorder and we will see next week if they dropped PB and Cheat prevention (for god knows what reason)

[Jan Gaarni]

Originally posted by S31 Apoc

there WILL BE PB, at least in some form.. look at question 4..

http://www.sw-bf.de/article.xhtml?id=14

Hmmm, I might be wrong, but it sounds to me that only GameSpy servers will have them. :shrug:

[JediCrow]

Well I just play for fun, and if I see a server become unfun due to blatant cheating losers, I'll just get off that server for a while and find another. It's not like the game is going to be a 24/7 100% of players cheatfest.

[Cpt. Bannon]

they did say that there would be in-code preventions...like a more integrated PB, minus them having to pay for PB. besides, i've never had any problems with cheating in recent SW games anyways.

[Stingray]

Have a little trust in pandemic!

 

the place where it's being developed is one big collection proffesional and experienced game creators. Surely they don't underestimate the power of cheats and surely they won't neglect taking care of cheaters.

 

I would have liked to see PB too, but if they say that they have an alternative, I don't pretend to be a know-it-all and give them guys a shot. Perhaps it won't work, but don't you think it's a little early to entirely give up the game just because you THINK it might be cheaters heaven?

 

Have a little trust; they are likely to know what they are doing. The created an enormous hype around SW:BF and they would be stupid to dissapoint us in a way like this.

[SITH_ShadowCat]

All I have is this to say:

 

If you think the game will suck that much because of cheating, don't get it! Its a really simple consept that will save your breath and our sanatiy from your constant whining.

 

Cheats won't be going through out the game near launch, so may as well enjoy it then then never.

[S31 Apoc]

cheating is horrible for any kind of clan game.. period... you never ran a server or did any serious competing with that attitude

[SITH_ShadowCat]

Originally posted by S31 Apoc

cheating is horrible for any kind of clan game.. period... you never ran a server or did any serious competing with that attitude

 

Propably cause its a game and should be treated that way, not like a school sport. And LucasArts is already hosting its own servers, so why should I worry about running a server when the official company can do it for me?

 

I agree cheating is bad, but you people are WAY too pasamistic. Wait to complain when first signs of cheating surface, until then, enjoy the game while its fresh.