DarthBuzzard Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Yep. Now that it has basically served it's purpose as will it be better, maybe it's time for a lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marduke|Myth Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by [RNGD]Tyrant I do hope that LEC and Pandemic now allow the PC version of this game to have a life of its own. If all patches, updates, enhancements must be cross platform then I feel this game will never truly meet its true potential on the PC. True. True. Nicely put Tyrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoQ Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by sup3rsnail expansion packs are cash cows. free downloadable content in the form of bonus packs (Unreal Tournament) are way better. Absolutly no argument from me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{NJO} Pilo T Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by DarthBuzzard I will kill you 'till you die from it! Hot Shots Part Deux is one of the funniest movies in existance, and that's one of the most retarded, funny things said in the whole movie. I also was referring to Ghent's attitude that consoles should not get anything. He didn't outright say that EXACT thing, but I am always arguing with these types who think consoles shouldn't get anything. Consoles have influenced PC in good and bad ways even though Ghent, here, doesn't know or choses not to know. He's obviously just being an idiot, and it's uneeded. If this game was ported FROM the consoles and originally meant FOR the consoles, then I don't see how he can talk like that... cause without consoles, Battlefront would be another game that never mosied its way on over to PC. Ghent is one of the PCGamers that hasn't found the other edge of the knife yet, and he refuses to ackknowledge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gh3nt Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Originally posted by H0WARD Hot Shots Part Deux is one of the funniest movies in existance, and that's one of the most retarded, funny things said in the whole movie. I also was referring to Ghent's attitude that consoles should not get anything. He didn't outright say that EXACT thing, but I am always arguing with these types who think consoles shouldn't get anything. Consoles have influenced PC in good and bad ways even though Ghent, here, doesn't know or choses not to know. He's obviously just being an idiot, and it's uneeded. If this game was ported FROM the consoles and originally meant FOR the consoles, then I don't see how he can talk like that... cause without consoles, Battlefront would be another game that never mosied its way on over to PC. Ghent is one of the PCGamers that hasn't found the other edge of the knife yet, and he refuses to ackknowledge it. you my friend, need to wake up and take a closer look at the whole gaming industry. i don't like to flame, just stating the facts: 1. the point of my original reply was never meant to say console gamers shouldn't get anything. My point was that during that time period, ( pre PS2, xbox period ) PC games kept it's unique and good quality seperated from console games. During that time, you don't see game titles got simultaneous release for all platforms, PC games were only for PC, console titles were only for console. You can't argue with that, because we PC games didn't get to play your console games at that time either. So even during that time, we PC gamers, were not the ones to get everything. 2. " Consoles have influenced PC in good and bad ways even though Ghent, here, doesn't know or choses not to know. " i am well aware of the influence, both good and bad. but you have to admit that the bad is a lot more than the good. Mainly in terms of technology level, which unavoidably affects the quality of gameplay. Consoles gaming industry drags PC industry down. lets face it, consoles no matter how better they get, say it doesn't matter when xbox 2 comes out, even when xbox 10 comes out in the future, comtemporary PC hardware will always be superior. The sad truth is, nowadays, all these PC hardware superiority is going to waste because many devs are turning into console market, because that's where the money is. The result is, for all the cross platform releases, PC version got shafted the most ( dumbed down ), in terms of both at tech level and at gameplay level. This is what irks me and a lot of PC gamers. it's just like a devolution, instead of going forward, we are going backward, going for inferior technology and worse gameplay. Theif 3, SWBF, and the upcoming Man of Valor... there are so many titles out there that has this disgusting tendancy, that makes me want to puke. 3. i don't mind cross platform releases, but it should be done in a PROPER way, not the way like these days. it should be done like Doom 3 and half life 2, they will both have console versions, but those versions are designed around the console, to suit the tech limitation. NOT to dumb down the PC version and make all platform version exactly the same. PCs deserve a lot more than dumb down. ( not an opinion, but a fact. ) 4. And don't even get me started on the SWBF. IT IS A STRAIGHT PORT, period. the dev just didn't say it out loud. "we are gonna use a sperate team to dev the PC version to make it unique. " what a disgusting lie !! for all of you ppl who thinks this is not a port, you need to wake up. the whole game is designed around the console, in terms of both gameplay and tech limitation. Mediocre graphics; tiny maps; in game comms; low tickets number; abysmal controls ( i don't even want to touch all the aircraft, i will play my space dogfights in GC mod for bf1942, thank you very much ). What more do you want to prove that it's a straight port!!!??? Or maybe you ppl only define the word "port" in terms of release date, ie, first console, than PC, not in terms of what counts here, ie, tech level and gameplay. the reason i bought this game is because i'm a die hard SW fan and hoping that patches and mods in teh future will improve this game. So recap, all i am saying here is not about PC gamers should get everything. ( Ironically it's you console gamers that got everything, not us. You guys have typical console games to play , which won't appear on PCs, and now you have a fair share of PC games that would only be available to PC exclusively if it was a few years ago. ) MY POINT IS THAT PC GAMES SHOULD BE SEPERATED FROM CONSOLE GAMES, TO PRESERVE IT'S OWN UNIQUE QUALITY. WE, PC GAMERS, ARE DEFENDING WHAT'S RIGHTFULLY OURS, WHICH IS SLOWLY BEING ROBBED AWAY FROM US because of the cashcow console market. if a company wants to do crossplatforms, fine, but do it seperately instead of making exact same copies across all platforms and take good advantage of PCs hardware superiority. oh, btw, next time H0WARD, instead of using words like bitches, idiots in your post, grow a brain, and back up your posts with facts or intelligent arguements. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoQ Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 YES!!!!! very well put! 2xxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegis Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 If you got less things to worry about (PS2 and XBOX netcode etc) you do everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[RNGD]Tyrant Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Mr Ghent is totally right. From all the interviews and comments before this game was released the developers said all the things that PC gamers wanted to hear: - seperate development team - mod support and tools - punkbuster - large 32-64 player maps ...plus the fact that the game is essentially based on a PC game (Battlefield) Therefore all us PC gamers bought the game assuming that they were building a PC game (essentially as rich as BF with SW content) and then simplifiying it for the consoles....what we got was a console game with a straight port to the PC. This is why the complaints and problems for the PC are running 20 to 1 vs the Xbox at Lucas Arts Support. There are two possibilities: 1. It was their intention to make the PC game properly but they ran out of time 2. It was never their intention to make the PC properly but they lied in interviews so people would preorder/buy it in the first week lots of people here are giving LEC/Pandemic the benefit of the doubt and assuming #1...but as of now that is just 'hope', irregardless their comments before release were entirely misleading. This thread, like many others on this forum, makes it perfectly clear that PC gamers are having a totally different experience with this game than consolers. It might even be worth seperating the main Forums here to PC and Console since many comments, discussions are totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italegion Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Chances are, it would be done much better without the consoles and i agree with many "free to speak" reviews like those: "those unfortunate enough to have purchased the PC version will quickly see that the game was really only made with the console player in mind, with little effort having been made to make a proper conversion to PC, although one can only experience 32-player online games with the PC version." "I appreciate the need to cater for the console crowd with this game, which may explain the ickle levels, but why why WHY do the PC users have to put up with the same thing? If I want to play a console game, let me decide that for myself and go and buy a console. When I buy a PC game I expect, nay DEMAND, that what I'm getting is going to use the strengths of the PC platform, instead of just being a copy and paste of the console version. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoQ Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 If the upcoming patch(es) don't save the PC version of the game, then we are going to have to depend on the fans to do it right by creating mods. That's of course if some of these neglected features can even be remedied by even the best of the best modders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vezner Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Originally posted by Marduke|Myth Nice post Lt. Havoc. Very good points. lukeiamyourmomma - just think whats ahead for battlefield 2. Yeah, let's think about it for a minute. Road to Rome sucked. Secret Weapons sucked. BFV sucked. Hmmm...so far Dice only can really brag about the original BF1942, and it took them over 6 patches to really make it a polished game. Yeah, I don't hold out a lot of hope that BF2 will be any good. As far as Battlefront is concerned, I for one have it on the x-box and I personally love it. Since I got Battlefront I have played it as much as I play BF1942 (and that's saying a lot since BF1942 is about the only game I have played on a regular basis for over a year now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Originally posted by Dave Grohl People will make their own menus when modding tools are released. Did they say there were going to be modding tools released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Originally posted by Vezner Yeah, let's think about it for a minute. Road to Rome sucked. Secret Weapons sucked. BFV sucked. Hmmm...so far Dice only can really brag about the original BF1942, and it took them over 6 patches to really make it a polished game. BFV: made by DICE Canada BF1942: made by DICE Sweden And BF1942 is far from being a polished game. Too many game exploits and unbalances that have never been addressed and never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subs0nic Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Getting back to the original question, yes SWBF would undoubtedly have been a better game had it been developed solely for the PC. Saying this game wouldn't have existed without the consoles is pretty clueless; look at how successful other similar PC games such as Battlefield 1942 have been (despite its many problems), it was only a matter of time until someone took the framework and dumped a major franchise such as Star Wars on it. Nobody can deny the fact that if you develop a game to work on ALL platforms and directly port it to each, the most powerful platform will be getting 'held back' by the less powerful platforms. Clearly, the most powerful platform is the PC, and the 'holding back' is pretty evident in the host of features that the PC can easily support (and are expected by PC players these days) that didn't make it into the game. Fortunately I hear word that modding tools WILL be available in the future (check the editing forum), so that the PC version can expand beyond the restrictions of the inferior hardware it was developed for. P.S. Anyone not sure about buying the PC version because of what they've read, definitely go for it. Sure, it could have been better and probably will be once modding tools are released, but it's still an excellent and VERY fun game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by subs0nic Fortunately I hear word that modding tools WILL be available in the future (check the editing forum), so that the PC version can expand beyond the restrictions of the inferior hardware it was developed for. But this can be a double edged sword. Modding tools are nice, but they can lead to many comflicting mods and version hell. They can destroy a community as much as help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fragster Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I'm as big a PC fan as any of you guys...guess what? The PC version of swbf isn't any good so get over it. Play it on PS2 like most pc gamers are doing anyways. It's more fun. Play CS on your PC, SWBF is for consoles, and it's pretty damn obvious. The day is rapidly appraoching...Pc online gaming is getting less and less attractive as more advanced consoles come out and better games are released for them online. My computer is one hell of a machine, runs FPS games perfectly (I bought it for the sole purpose of gaming) and I havnt used it since I bought the ps2 version of SWBF. Laying on your couch with a controller and your feet up beats the hell out of pc gaming any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoQ Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by Prime But this can be a double edged sword. Modding tools are nice, but they can lead to many comflicting mods and version hell. They can destroy a community as much as help it. True, but take a look at the posts. The PS2 and X box users seem to be satisfied while most of the PC users are quite unhappy with this game. The pc community for SWBF is nowhere as strong as communities for games such as BF42, Half Life, UT, Jedi Academy, etc. In my opinion (and it is just MY opinion so don't bother flaming me if you all don't agree with it), chances are the pc version of the battlefront community probably won't survive nearly as long as the others without these modding tools. If it wasn't for news of an upcoming patch a lot of players (including myself) would have moved on to other more exciting and much better built online multiplayer games for the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatelull Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by Mr. Fragster I'm as big a PC fan as any of you guys...guess what? The PC version of swbf isn't any good so get over it. Play it on PS2 like most pc gamers are doing anyways. It's more fun. Play CS on your PC, SWBF is for consoles, and it's pretty damn obvious. The day is rapidly appraoching...Pc online gaming is getting less and less attractive as more advanced consoles come out and better games are released for them online. My computer is one hell of a machine, runs FPS games perfectly (I bought it for the sole purpose of gaming) and I havnt used it since I bought the ps2 version of SWBF. Laying on your couch with a controller and your feet up beats the hell out of pc gaming any day. Hi. Do you actually think before posting or just close your eyes and mash some buttons? Aside from the fact that as evidenced here and the lucasarts forums a great number of PC players are NOT playing the game on a console, your suggestion of "play it on the ps2" is utterly ridiculous. Under your logic, I am to go out and purchase a $200 console just so I can play title that should be play correctly (and arguably with more depth) on the PC? As for your preference of "sitting on the couch with a controller and your feet up" over playing a game on the PC ... well we all have our vices and dillemmas to overcome. Keyboard + Mouse is a difficult skill to master, to be sure. PC Online gaming getting less and less attractive? Did you come up with this information through statistics researched and created on your "hell of a machine" or is this further padding of your fantasy? Lots of machines run FPS games perfectly, however you're not commenting on performance much are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatelull Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by LoQ True, but take a look at the posts. The PS2 and X box users seem to be satisfied while most of the PC users are quite unhappy with this game. The pc community for SWBF is nowhere as strong as communities for games such as BF42, Half Life, UT, Jedi Academy, etc. In my opinion (and it is just MY opinion so don't bother flaming me if you all don't agree with it), chances are the pc version of the battlefront community probably won't survive nearly as long as the others without these modding tools. If it wasn't for news of an upcoming patch a lot of players (including myself) would have moved on to other more exciting and much better built online multiplayer games for the PC. The developers have to release the modding tools, or it's all just a pipe dream. Furthemore, there has to be serious groups willing to put in the time to get those projects up and off the ground. I dread the 20 million "HEY GUYZ I'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA FOR A BATTLEFRONT MOD. IT HAS TO DO WITH STORMTROOPERS AS PIRATES AND THE REBELS AS NINJAS. WE'LL PROBABLY DO SOMETHING COOL WITH VEHICLES AND HAVE CHINESE STARS AS A WEAPON TYPE!!!! NE1 INTERESTED SHOULD EMAIL ME. IF YOU HAVE CODING SKILLS THAT'S A PLUS BUT GRAPHIC ARTISTS AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GIVE INPUT LET ME KNOW!!!" posts that are bound to happen if and when the tools or source is released. Besides, to have people working a mod on non-finished product would just be a frustrating and horrid task. I'd rather Pandemic release a proper patch and THEN let the modders come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoQ Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by hatelull The developers have to release the modding tools, or it's all just a pipe dream. Furthemore, there has to be serious groups willing to put in the time to get those projects up and off the ground. I dread the 20 million "HEY GUYZ I'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA FOR A BATTLEFRONT MOD. IT HAS TO DO WITH STORMTROOPERS AS PIRATES AND THE REBELS AS NINJAS. WE'LL PROBABLY DO SOMETHING COOL WITH VEHICLES AND HAVE CHINESE STARS AS A WEAPON TYPE!!!! NE1 INTERESTED SHOULD EMAIL ME. IF YOU HAVE CODING SKILLS THAT'S A PLUS BUT GRAPHIC ARTISTS AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GIVE INPUT LET ME KNOW!!!" posts that are bound to happen if and when the tools or source is released. Not to worry. A good protion of Star Wars fans are perfectionists when it comes to stuff like this. I am willing to be that not only will we see maps and mods for this game done right, but maps and mods that will signifigantly improve the game to a point that the original battlefront never even aspired to be. So have faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I believe we will see more maps and a "realism" mod à la Forgotten Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by Mr. Fragster Laying on your couch with a controller and your feet up beats the hell out of pc gaming any day. Like hell it does. Originally posted by LoQ The pc community for SWBF is nowhere as strong as communities for games such as BF42, Half Life, UT, Jedi Academy, etc. In my opinion (and it is just MY opinion so don't bother flaming me if you all don't agree with it), chances are the pc version of the battlefront community probably won't survive nearly as long as the others without these modding tools. If it wasn't for news of an upcoming patch a lot of players (including myself) would have moved on to other more exciting and much better built online multiplayer games for the PC. I don't have the game, but I agree that it appears that the PC version at least needs either a patch or mod improvements for the community to last. I'm just saying that mod tools aren't going to magically fix all the problems, and it may introduce others as well. In essense, be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richcz3 Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Originally posted by hatelull EDIT...Besides, to have people working a mod on non-finished product would just be a frustrating and horrid task. I'd rather Pandemic release a proper patch and THEN let the modders come in. Very True Allot of people don't remember the problems BF:1942 had on its first release. That didn't stop people from modding though. Then after the first two patches some modders were thrown into spin. File structures were changed by the patches breaking some mods. With additional patches to help modders, more changes were made. So hatelull has a point about the current state of the game. It's better to get it patched and working proper than start working on something that may get broken as patches are released. richcz3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fragster Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 hatelull I'll school you on any pc game with a mouse and keyboard. You obviously aren't any good with a controller( and obviously havn't ever even played a console fps online) or you'd know exactly how difficult it is to master analog aiming. A mouse is pretty damn easy to point and click; as long as youre familiar with the engine of the game you should be good at whatever it is. I've played HL since the beggining, and still do, all the Quakes, Tribes, RTCW, BF1942 and i say youre wrong. You want to see skills?? Go play Socom 2. Better yet play me in any game of your choice. I'm serious you name it I'll win. We can even register the match if youd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Bullcrap. It depends on the person and is a question of adaptation. A lot of my friends play both console and PC FPS games and they're always better in one of the other. Just because what you say is good for you doesn't mean it's good for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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