Uberman Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Its assumed in the movie that only Obi-Wan and Yoda survived but in the world of books quite a few Jedi survived. Its easy to assume that some Jedi were on far away planets in the Outer Rim when Palpatine made his move. Its possible they heard about it and went into hiding from the empire. Its hard to imagine that every Jedi execpt for 2 died in the purge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranre Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Originally posted by Doomie If we go by EU, we see that some jedi are able to severe their connection to the force (Like Kyle Katarn, and I believe some others, even.) That'd make them a lot harder to detect, I think. So maybe some Jedi did that and then hoped to be able to retrain when the dark times would pass. Wich they are. If they're there. Kyle is doused with Jedi powers becuase he goes to (im not quite sure) the forbidden valley of the jedi. If you play Jedi outcast 2 it gives u the low down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I can't picture padme dieing. GRRR.. spelling. Supposidly Jedi do survive in EU, but they didn't actually follow the Jedi Order. "Im just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions." -Kyle Katarn You know, something like that, just some force sensative people with sabers. Luke mopped the floor with 5 of them in the book I, Jedi. I think even Luke said some were hidden in dark cornors of the galaxy. To answere your questions about Kyle: If you consider saving the Galaxy 2 or 3 times important, then yeah. Hes the dude who got the Death Star plans in ANH. Most of his story takes place after the death of Vader though. Kyle's Story: Katarn once served the empire, but then became a republic mercenary after meeting Jan Ores. Soon after the murder of his father he became a Jedi. He fought and defeated the man who killed his father, Jerec, in the Valley of the Jedi; a mystical place that holds mysterious power. After nearly falling to the dark side, Kyle hands his lightsaber over to Luke Skywalker and vows to never use the force again. A few years later, a Dark Jedi named Desann tricks Kyle into going to the Valley to regain his lost Jedi powers, so he could get the location and start a supierior Jedi Race. Kyle then hunts down and kills Desann and his Reborn Jedi Warriors. Soon after Kyle joins the Jedi Academy as a teacher. Of course, thats a breif summary, barley scratching the details. To get the whole story: play Dark Forces, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast, and then finally Jedi Academy. Most of the games are about $10 if you can find them. Jedi Academy is currently $20 at Wal-Mart. Trust me, its a good investment, the story is as epic as it is legendary... right. Not to mention you get to chop some stormies up with a lightsaber! EDIT: More info on Kyle: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kylekatarn/eu.html Its kinda 3 or 4 years outdated though, a lot has been added onto his story within the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 So what happens to Mace and Mundi??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberman Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Death Happens. At least thats what we are led to believe. = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 i think their will still be a lot of jedi alive after episode 3 but then vader is unleashed and over the next 19 or so years until ANH he presumably could have killed a lot of them if not all except of course for obi and yoda. not to mention that yoda did not say that line until ROTJ which was about 3 years after ANH so even more could have been killed then. it's plausible for yoda and obi to not be the last of the jedi however by ROTJ i think they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 most of the Jedi that survive Episode three (Maybe because they're on a mission, or foresaw that they would be slaughtered, or they're just cool enough to escape or something) will be hunted down by Vader and killed. But since they have cloning technology on their side, surely some jedi would've clones themselves. I think if Sifo-dyas was smart enough to foresee the war, he must've foreseen his own death as well. It'd be more than reasonable that he would order a clone of himself, when he's going to Kamino anyway... And maybe some other Jedi got the same idea. And if that was true, these clones would probably outlive the clone wars (especially if they're not growth-accelerated) and maybe even survive the 'dark times'. While the original Jedi will die out, the Jedi order will survive. Provided the Jedi-clones won't go darkside on you. Ofcourse, this is all rampant speculation... but a pretty good possibility, i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 weren't the jedi completely oblivious of the cloning facility until ep.2, so by the time a mature jedi clone could be made wouldn't it be too late seeing as how palpatine knows of the facility and wouldn't let anything of that nature happen (that is the growth of jedi clones)? now the fact that he could grow a clone of himself is very possible i think though GL is probably too gay to use that as a plot point or even consider it as a logical idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Originally posted by dark jedi 8 weren't the jedi completely oblivious of the cloning facility until ep.2, so by the time a mature jedi clone could be made wouldn't it be too late seeing as how palpatine knows of the facility and wouldn't let anything of that nature happen (that is the growth of jedi clones)? Obviously, there are more thant one place in the galaxy where clones can be made. Kamino was, however, a very big facility. And I don't see why a jedi would even want to clone himself, what good would it do, (even if we assume the clones will also be force sensible) ? it's not like he could create an army of jedi clones instantly. First it would take several years for the clones to mature and the jedi in question would have to individually train them so they become jedi. And as we've seen, padawans are trained by their masters for years before they are are considered jedi, so even with growth acceleration it would take the same time to have a cloned jedi (except he'd be older by the time he becomes one ), not to mention he could only train 1 (perhaps 2 max) at the time. If the "jedi clone" isn't trained properly, he might go wrong fail his training, so it couldn't be rushed. now the fact that he could grow a clone of himself is very possible i think though GL is probably too gay to use that as a plot point or even consider it as a logical idea. You should really stop using the word "gay" like you do, it's offensive and disrespectful. Besides, I think such an idea would make for a very crappy movie/story, I think GL is intelligent enough to stay away from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Originally posted by coupes. You should really stop using the word "gay" like you do, it's offensive and disrespectful. Besides, I think such an idea would make for a very crappy movie/story, I think GL is intelligent enough to stay away from this. Agreed, your word choices are poor, and that "plot point" is horrible. And it's been used already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 i apologize, i meant no harm to anyone. Just some of GL's decisions on how he directed his movies are not that logical to me. more so w/the prequals. i just think he could have done a better job in conveying his original idea through many takes instead of one cut. he is a good writer and created one hell of a fantasy but he just doesn't know how to show it properly. i was just argueing against the idea b/c it really makes no sense for a jedi to clone himself, i just said that if they ever decided to that it wouldn't happen and i gave a reason instead of a "no" answer. the reason wasn't all that logical i admit but it's what i could think of on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Though time might be a problem, I think that the Kaminoans could create clones that are inherently true to the light side. As a consequence, they need far less discipline training. Also, if that ins't possible, maybe they could let them grow for a year or two, and then have the jedi train the little six year old clones... Still, i wonder why Sifo-Dyas didn't clone himself. That way, he would've been around longer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Originally posted by Doomie Still, i wonder why Sifo-Dyas didn't clone himself. That way, he would've been around longer... Because there was no point, there's no reason to believe your clone would be like you. You can't have a cloned jedi, no reason to even think you could. Proper jedi training requires lots of time. More than would be capable from a jedi clone, especially during the clone wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Originally posted by Doomie Though time might be a problem, I think that the Kaminoans could create clones that are inherently true to the light side. As a consequence, they need far less discipline training. That is very doubtful, you can't make someone inherebtly good, or evil, everything depends on your chearecteristics, life experieces, etc. Still, i wonder why Sifo-Dyas didn't clone himself. That way, he would've been around longer... How so ? how could he have been around longer by cloning himself ? Sure, his clone could outlive him, but he wouldn't live longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Well, the battlefront Manual talked about the Jet troopers being able to fly, becuase they had a part of Jango Fett's genetic memory. And though battlefront isn't exactly G-level canon, it might be possible that his clones would remember everything he remembered, and so he'd survive, in a way. But forget it, now that you guys have shown me the downsides, it doesn't really sound like a possibility anymore anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberman Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 You Cant clone the Force. It doesnt work and if anyone talks about the guy from the Thrawn Trilogy Ill kill you. He was considered to be a rare exception to the rule and was insane. It would be very hard to have cloned Jedi because they would ahve to be tutored to raise their force abilities correctly. If all the other Jedi were dead think about who would trian the clones. You would have pyscho, Force wielding clones running rampant in the Galaxy. Think about that for a second... :lightning :lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I had thought about it, and as I said before, the Kaminoan Brain-tampering would prevent force-wielding clones from going rampant. About cloning the Force, we know from Episode 1 that the Force is 'caused' by midichlorians, which are small symbiotic creatures that live inside our cells, if I remember correctly. That would mean that they can be cloned. Maybe you'd need a special cloning technology, but it should work, in theory. Anyway, if it works, you'd have a kickass Jedi army in no time. But since so many downsides have been pointed out, and no Jedi has been cloned yet in the movies, there's no telling if it will work or fail horribly. (in wich case you'd have an army of Crazy Clones killing all the Jedi, ensuring their destruction anyway, should they survive the war.) I think, if the Jedi council considered it, that's why they didn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 No, midichlorians are a measurement for force POTENTIAL. Like an IQ test only measures your potential for knowledge, it doesn't automatically make you smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchise Posted March 11, 2005 Share Posted March 11, 2005 Sure it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Originally posted by InsaneSith yoda's presence was clouded by the dark energy that consumed Dagobah. that said, Aayla must survive, or I'll just cry. yeah, looks like we're gonna have to wait for the TV series to watch her die sithy mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legameboy Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I'm dreading the moment when I see Mace go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Originally posted by legameboy I'm dreading the moment when I see Mace go down. I fear I'll cry out in the theatre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Originally posted by InsaneSith I fear I'll cry out in the theatre. he he.... face it... mace gets pwned... sheet, even yoda gets pwned.... just coz Mace is "Shaft in Space" doesnt mean he's invincible... I have a friend who plans to do a "ha-ha" like Nelson from the simpsons when mace gets iced.... Im hoping an hyped up fanboy will start trouble with him over it, and we'll end up with a crazy "Geekfight on Premiere Night !" mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ockniel Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 ^ heheh hey, is it just the jedi fighting after the clones turn? is that why they fall so quickly? or do they have a few groupies helpin em' out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Do you think we see Vader hunt down the jedi and kill them in ep3?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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