Nintendo Revolution Controller...WTF

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

What are the chances that someone could photoshop an image of NRevolution, and be right?

 

Probably not good, but that doesn't mean they were absolutely wrong. You don't KNOW they were wrong, you just can make an educated guess that they won't be right.

[TiE23]

Secret plans 'liberated' from top secret Nintendo building.

 

Great for certain people who already have their hands doing other things..... Dirty things Like doing dishes or taking out the trash!

 

 

(Im not trying to bash, Im sure it will turnout to be a fine system)

 

TiE

[Lynk Former]

Here's what we know about the Revolution

 

• Backward compatible, able to play GameCube games
  
• WiFi enabled out of the box
  
• May use same WiFi network as the NintendoDS
  
• Will have a feature or features that will come standard which will be fundamentally different from anything we've seen before
  
• Will NOT feature touch screens
  
• Will be around the same power as the PS3 and Xbox 2. If you're all gonna bitch if that it's not going to be the most powerful system, remember that the PS2 isn't as powerful as the GameCuibe and definately not as powerful as the Xbox.
  
• Due to the fact that it can play GameCube games, don't think it's going to abandon traditional gaming.
  

[Astrotoy7]

Originally posted by Lynk Former

[*]Will be around the same power as the PS3 and Xbox 2. If you're all gonna bitch if that it's not going to be the most powerful system, remember that the PS2 isn't as powerful as the GameCuibe and definately not as powerful as the Xbox.

 

he he...havin all that power and potentially the smallest catalogue of games makes it like having a ferrari that can only fit 1 midget in it...

 

lets hope more game devs out of japan have faith/patience in the N-Rev

 

*sounds trumpet fanfare*

I now declare you the LFNs Official Nintendo Uber Fanboi

 

mtfbwya

[Lynk Former]

Originally posted by Astrotoy7 he he...havin all that power and potentially the smallest catalogue of games makes it like having a ferrari that can only fit 1 midget in it...

I'm sure Nintendo will be opting for the cheapest yet most effective method to build their next console just as they built the GameCube. Just remember this one fact, in this period of 8 years which company has come last in the console race? Nintendo... and which company has made the most profit in the last 8 years? Nintendo. Ironic huh. They made double the profit of Sony's gaming division yet they're dead last.

 

lets hope more game devs out of japan have faith/patience in the N-Rev

You know there is one factor that is stopping Nintendo from claiming most 3rd party exclusive titles... it's the fact that Sony pays developers NOT to make games for Nintendo. And they're not hiding that fact either, just in case you want to argue it. The most blunt example so far is Sony paying off Namco for Soul Calibur 3. Funny how that occurs after the GameCube sold twice as many copies of SC2 than the PS2 and Xbox combined.

 

*sounds trumpet fanfare*

I now declare you the LFNs Official Nintendo Uber Fanboi

I'm not a fanboy, I'm just here to give people the reliable information cause obviously there are a few people who want to know.

[coupes.]

Originally posted by Astrotoy7

*sounds trumpet fanfare*

I now declare you the LFNs Official Nintendo Uber Fanboi

If ther's a fanboy here I doubt it's Lynk...

 

 

edit : I almost forgot...

[lukeskywalker1]

You know there is one factor that is stopping Nintendo from claiming most 3rd party exclusive titles... it's the fact that Sony pays developers NOT to make games for Nintendo. And they're not hiding that fact either, just in case you want to argue it. The most blunt example so far is Sony paying off Namco for Soul Calibur 3. Funny how that occurs after the GameCube sold twice as many copies of SC2 than the PS2 and Xbox combined.

 

 

Your joking right? That sucks... so baaaad. I love SC2! I can't believe I won't be getting SC3 now!

 

The only good things I have seen on PS1(2) are:

 

Metal Gear Solid

Tekkin

Dino Crisis

 

Xbox:

 

Halo

Star Wars

 

Other than that, Nintendo has everything else I want. MGS TS is on GCN... and I love that game (I just beat it!)... so other than dino crisis and tekken (which is in arcades), I have no reason to get any soney system. Halo and Star Wars games are on PC.. so.. Xbox is also irrelevent. How often do you see Zelda on PC? You don't. Thats why I have a GCN, those classics are only on Nintendo Consoles, no where else.

 

 

[quote\he he...havin all that power and potentially the smallest catalogue of games makes it like having a ferrari that can only fit 1 midget in it...

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Quality is better than quantity. While GCN only has maybe 400 games (100 coming out this year, I think) Nintendo games are normally really good.

[TiE23]

Originally posted by Lynk Former

I'm not a fanboy, I'm just here to give people the reliable information cause obviously there are a few people who want to know.

 

Sounds like a fan boy to me, cause people who aren't fanboys wouldn't battle to the 'death' to 'make sure' that people are informed that the console they are talking about could be better on different terms than the opposing consoles.

 

There.

 

You're a fanboy of Nintendo in denial. Just because you use your words like a big boy doesn't mean you will always win, m'kay?

 

TiE

[ET Warrior]

No, being a fanboy of Nintendo would be involve him making baseless putdowns of OTHER consoles in addition to him pointing out the information about the Revolution

[Lynk Former]

You want an example of fanboyism? Aright let's see...

 

NINTENDO 15 teh AWSOME! S0ny SuXX0rZ cause tehy don't have teh Zelda n Teh Metr0id!!!

 

 

Now finger pointing aside, I like the Gran Turismo series, I don't play it as much as I'd like to cause I don't have a PS2. There are a lot of anime games on the PS2 I really like too and I've played and enjoyed Halo and Halo 2.

 

Do I need to go into more depth about my history with other consoles or do people still want to point fingures and pat themselves on the back cause they apparantly spotted another fanboy?

[toms]

He didn't come across as too fanboyish to me.

 

I'm interested to hear where it was confirmed that the revolution WON'T have a touchscreen though?

I'm quite happy to believe it won't ONLY have a touchscreen, but i still reckon the touchscreen will be the "unique feature!".

 

Several other games sold better on the GC than other systems, but the sequel didn't come out on the GC. Not sure why, but Sony and MS paying more (and charging less commission) must be a factor.

 

Nintendo really needs to create some NEW franchises though, not rely on EVERYTHING being zelda or mario or pokemon.

 

Making a US friendly design might help them shed their "cute" image (though i thought the GC was the best looking of this generation, but i'm in the minority). Playing DVDs would help too. I don't know many people who actually use their PS2 or XBOX to play dvds as they aren't that great at it and dvd players are so cheap now. But back when people were deciding what to buy the lure of a "free dvd player" was quite powerful.

 

I still think nintendo needs to set up as an "art house" console. Give good deals to small, innovative developers where they charge them no commission and give them free dev kits for their first game, but get 2 more games as part of the deal. Or something like that.

 

But basically, nintendo needs to lure some of the big japanese publishers back from sony and some of the big US publishers back from MS.

[Lynk Former]

Originally posted by toms

He didn't come across as too fanboyish to me.

Everyone accuses me of being the fanboy because I'm the only one with enough guts to speak up in a forum full of PS2, Xbox and PC gaming fans.

 

 

Several other games sold better on the GC than other systems, but the sequel didn't come out on the GC. Not sure why, but Sony and MS paying more (and charging less commission) must be a factor.

Actually Nintendo and Namco supposedly have a good relationship and have been working together on many games so Namco is favoured over other developers because of the relationship. Commission wouldn't be a factor, the fact that Namco and Nintendo have this relationship yet the PS3 is getting an exclusive title that was selling so well on a Nintendo console means on one thing. Sony is up to its old tricks again.

 

And don't think that Sony isn't doing this on purpose. It's general understanding that Sony came into the market to crush Nintendo. It's also general understanding that Microsoft came into the market so they could take a slice of a market they've never gotten their teeth into and to also take a large slice out of Sony.

 

 

Nintendo really needs to create some NEW franchises though, not rely on EVERYTHING being zelda or mario or pokemon.

Agreed, and there is a new Nintendo made game called Another Code that's coming out on the Nintendo DS. It may not be a franchise but it's nice to see Nintendo is going with something new.

 

 

Making a US friendly design might help them shed their "cute" image (though i though the GC was the best looking of this generation, but i'm in the minority). Playing DVDs would help too. I don't know many people who actually use their PS2 or XBOX to play dvds as they aren't that great at it and dvd players are so cheap now. But back when people were deciding what to buy the lure of a "free dvd player" was quite powerful.

Like I said, Nintendo will always go the cheapest way to make a gaming console, the whole DVD playback thing is doubtful since it costs more money to implement the technology required.

 

 

I still think nintendo needs to set up as an "art house" console. Give good deals to small, innovative developers where they charge them no commission and give them free dev kits for their first game, but get 2 more games as part of the deal. Or something like that.

That's a good idea, if not seeming a little desperate. But yeah, they need to pull in developers fast.

 

 

But basically, nintendo needs to lure some of the big japanese publishers back from sony and some of the big US publishers back from MS.

How can they? They all sold out to Sony a long time ago in the days of the PS1. Remember, Square used to make games for Nintendo, the Final Fantasy series started on a Nintendo machine but as Sony entered they bought part of Square and Final Fantasy then moved over to Sony. It wasn't until Square and Enix combined was Square able to start making games for other consoles again but ironically Sony still has enough force within Square to stop them from giving away the A grade material. Basically every big developer has told Nintendo to go to hell. But why? If you think about it rationally there really is NO reason not to release a lot of the games that are being released on other console, on the GameCube. I'm serious too, none of this "Nintendo is kiddy" crap. If you really think about it, it doesn't make sense why all those games out there aren't on the GameCube.

[lukeskywalker1]

Since GCN is considered the little kids console, Devs don't want to take a chance releasing something on it, only to find out that the kids can't handle it, and it doesn't sell.

 

I blame it all on Windwaker. Why? Because, SpaceWorld 2000 we see and epic realistic fight between Ganondorf and Link, then we get little kid link in a cartoon world, for little kids. The game was good, storyline was descent, but when Halo fanatics saw it had no blood and looked like a Saturday morning cartoon, Nintendo instantly lossed those costumers. Therefore, only kids were left (and a few of us, who actually enjoy the quality of the games)

[TiE23]

Lynk, I like the GC, I really do. I still want to get it, and its possible cause its so cheap. And they have great games: Sunshine, Zelda, Resident Evil, Animal Crossing, etc. I want to get all of them, but I played Halo one day with my bro at someones house, and almost shat my pants. Getting plowed over by a warthog at Bloodgulch bought me over. GC never really wowed me. And the only 'good games' coming out for it lately are stupid Astroboy and stupid 11 yearold cartoon games from Japan games. No real killing games. No fun! And I did always want to get an extra DVD player.

 

I hate PS2, cause its old, generic, and every game is the same.

 

Edit: Costs a lot to have DVD capability? Pfft, they couldn't do it cause they were afraid they would loose a few thousand dollars from people who download games, so they made mini discs and made the mini disc tray, so the freaking disc can't fit.

 

TiE

[Lynk Former]

There are adult oriented games that have come out on the GCN and are about to come out, the problem is that most of them are on other consoles as well so they're ignored as anything significant. However there is an exclusive to GameCube game coming out that is adult oriented called Geist (http://cube.ign.com/objects/566/566897.html?ui=gamefinder). Halo and Halo 2 are both great games, they're the GoldenEye and Perfect Dark of this generation and both good reasons to get an Xbox. And yeah, I do agree with the fact that it was a BAAAAAAAAD idea to have Wind Waker celshaded in terms of attracting the generic casual gamer. My personal view on Wind Waker is that the graphics are absolutely brilliant. The celshading effects are done so damn well. But to a casual gamer, it's kiddy and stupid and I'm glad that Nintendo woke up to that fact and is releasing this next Zelda game in all its realistic goodness.

 

Nintendo are only protecting their investments when they do their anti-piracy moves. Don't blame them for that, cause piracy is a BIG problem no matter how you look at it's why the PS2 is so popular, you can chip it and play nothing but copied games. Also another thing that makes CGN disks unique is the fact that the laser reads from the outside first and then goes inward. There's an interesting fact for ya XD

 

Nintendo does need to change a lot, and I believe they are. They are also trying to give us things like free online gaming so don't count them out.

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by TiE 23

Costs a lot to have DVD capability? Pfft, they couldn't do it cause they were afraid they would loose a few thousand dollars from people who download games, so they made mini discs and made the mini disc tray, so the freaking disc can't fit.

 

You know nothing of which you speak. Don't try to pretend you understand Nintendos reasoning. even if it were to prevent piracy, your "few thousand dollar" estimate is WELL under the amount of money that piracy can cost a company.

 

 

Add in the fact that you have to install the software and hardware to recognize the completely different DVD format, and if you take into account losses from piracy you're talking at least millions of dollars. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it.

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by TiE 23

And the only 'good games' coming out for it lately are stupid Astroboy and stupid 11 yearold cartoon games from Japan games.

Astroboy isn't stupid.

 

Originally posted by TiE 23

No real killing games. No fun!

So you have to be able to kill people and blow them up to have fun?

 

 

Originally posted by TiE 23

I hate PS2, cause its old, generic, and every game is the same.

That could be said for a lot of things, even the PC.

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by TiE 23

Edit: Costs a lot to have DVD capability? Pfft, they couldn't do it cause they were afraid they would loose a few thousand dollars from people who download games, so they made mini discs and made the mini disc tray, so the freaking disc can't fit.

 

TiE

Like ET said, if you don't know what you speak of, don't speak at all.

[toms]

With nintendo a lot of it is to do with image not reality.

 

DVD players in consoles WERE mostly a waste of time... but they gave the IMAGE that those consoles were better value and multi-use items. And for the developers of thos consoles it can't have cost much to implement DVD and CD playback as they used the same size disks anyway.

(and you ca buy complete dvd players for £20 now, so the tech isn't expensive)

 

Wind walker WAS a great game, the graphics WERE great.... but they contributed to nintendo's already existing image of being "kiddy". The game mioght not have been as good if it had had realistic graphics, but many more people would have bought GCs to play it.

 

The GC did have a great design, small and stylish.... but again it played to the image of being kiddy. Especially the purple colour of the original units. They should have listened to consumers and released it in black first in the UK/US. (personally, i have a purple one an think it looks MILES better than my xbox, but thats just me)

 

Nintendo IS making money and selling a lot of some titles (often more than on other platforms)... but they give the impression of being last in the race, loosing money and titles etc...

 

Until I bought my xbox (mainly as a media centre, not for games) the only console i had was my GC and it was great, there were enough games to keep me happy, etc... But it was frustrating to see many more titles being released on other platforms... especially when games you liked the look of were releasedon every platform EXCEPT the GC.

 

And because of the low numbers of GC games they didn't drop in value. So 6 months later you could buy old PS2 and xbox titles for £7.99 and the same GC game still cost £29.99.

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I completely understand the reasons for nintendo going for their proprietory disk format:

 

-prevent piracy (successful!)

-faster loading times (successful!)

 

but it also meant:

 

-higher production costs (so, like carts less developers willing to pay them)

-system couldn't play CDs or DVDs

-less space for music and video (like carts)

 

And why didn't we get them in cool little cases like in japan to emphasise the unique little tiny disks? Putting them in dvd cases hides half their coolness...

[lukeskywalker1]

Do you have a pic of the little case?

 

Toms, you have all good points, except this one:

 

-less space for music and video (like carts)

 

High Compression allows you to add huge games to a tiny disk. Also, have you played Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes? Its on two GCN disks... so you can fit a ton of stuff on, and if appropriate switch disks.

 

But look, when you go from this --- to this:

 

 

Its obvious people won't be happy.

[Lynk Former]

I like how people are totally forgetting about this:

 

[jokemaster]

Originally posted by STTCT

damn - now I'm going to have to bribe someone from work to go with me I don't want to go by myself

BUY ME A TICKET AND POSE AS MY MOM!

 

 

But it could go either way, like I said about online, connectivity, the DS, and the analog stick. It all depends on how it'll be implemented by the developers.

[toms]

Originally posted by jokemaster

BUY ME A TICKET AND POSE AS MY MOM!

 

Dude! Never tell a chick she's old enough to be your MOTHER!!!

 

Originally posted by

lukeskywalker1

Toms, you have all good points, except this one:

 

Aww! Shucks!

 

but...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=gamecube+version+compression

reveals:

 

There's quite a lot of compression artifacting in the GameCube videos. Perhaps this is to be expected given that Midway had to squeeze everything on a single GCN disc, but nevertheless it remains a disappointment.

 

Gamecube’s music/sound effects suffer a tiny bit from audio compression.

 

Visually, the GameCube version of Spider-Man falls right between the ...

in comparison to the Xbox and PS2 games, probably due to over-compression.

 

And i can't remember the specific games, but there have been at least two GC versions of cross platform games that have lost "making of" videos and other things because there wasn't enough space.

 

Now, i'm not saying decent compression can't overcome many of these problems... but as games and graphics get bigger the small capacity of the nintendo disks is another limiting factor.

 

It'll be interesting to see how they deal with this in the new system, as it will HAVE TO have much higher capacity disks, but still be backwards compatible and quick loading.

 

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This isn't a very good pic, but its the best i can find of the little japanese cases that compares the size to a dvd-size case.

 

Also note that if you look at the japanese GC range more than half of them (mainly the RPG type games) haven't even been released in the Uk:

http://www.lik-sang.com/list.php?category=79&sort=sales_rank&start=0&

[lukeskywalker1]

Oh yeah, I had noticed that almost all prerendered cutscenes were kinda low res... even Twin Snakes.

 

 

But still, they can put 2 CDs in the cases. No problem.

 

 

About the Revolution:

 

They could just have a slightly bigger version of the GCN disk. After all, you can fit a small disk in a big disk slot, so, it would still be backwords compatible and new games would fit more on them.

 

Just the backwards laser effect should do a lot to prevent copying. But after saying that, I got to note the Nintendo is one of the most pirated software companies, so I understand why they take more precaution.

 

Anyone know how much you can fit on a GCN disk?

 

And Lynk, when they showed Zelda SpaceWorld 2000, and WindWaker, they didn't show any Zelda 05 screens (cause they didn't exist)

 

Obviously they are making the new one because of the reaction to windwaker. Its what the fans want.

[toms]

A GCN disk is only 1.5Gb, which is a lot less than the dvd capacities that the PS2 and XBOX use (do they get dual layer disks at 9Gb or just single layer ones at 4.5gb?)

 

As far as i know no-one has managed to successfully pirate the GCN disks (unlike xbox and ps2)... so that plan has been sucessful. And the loading times ARE much better.... its just a shame they had to sacrifice space.

 

The main reason nintendo lost out to SOny in the first place was that Miyamoto didn't like the CD format because he didn't like loading times. So they stuck with the cartridges for the N64. Which meant the PS1 games had full motion video, cd quality audio and cost penise to manufacture... and the n64 carts had slideshow cutscenes, midi samples and cost a lot to make.

 

So even though the loading times were longer consumers and games makers flocked to the PS1 over the n64.

 

If nintendo had gone with CDs for the n64 then the odds are that sony's PS1 would have failed.

 

Then they did something similar with their disks for the GCN as well. sigh.

[toms]

 

Occasional internal bombast notwithstanding, I don't know where Nintendo's Revolution fits into this grim Main Event. Because the machine has features which are either unripe or outside the ordinary continuum of expectation, I have no mental scheme which can position it against their competitors. As a result, and you've no doubt seen this as well in other forms of media, a brawl that is between three parties is almost always depicted as one between only two, and Nintendo is marginalized further in this generation.

 

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