Darth Alec Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 How can one large side = balance? Balance is when both sides are = (can't spell it ). And Luke had to use his hate to defeat Vader, then returned to the lite side. And no sith= balance was what the jedi thought, not what it actually was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 How can one large side = balance? Balance is when both sides are = (can't spell it ). You're using balance in the literal sense of the word. Balance in the prophecy refers more to stability; the Sith are a force of instability and must be eliminated in order to maintain balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What does balance mean then? Why would who let Anakin be trained? The Jedi trained him because they thought he would destroy the Sith. Also remember that the Jedi council did not want to train Anakin. Obi took it upon himself to train him and did not let Anakin go through the proper steps of first being trained by Yoda. Every step of Anakin's training did not follow the proper steps set by the council. The Sith wanted him trained because they knew that the Jedi had misread the prophecy and that by them training him they were sealing their own fate. They also knew that if the force were in balance that would mean less Jedi. Which would mean it would be easier to take over, which they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 What does balance mean then? Why would who let Anakin be trained? The Jedi trained him because they thought he would destroy the Sith. Also remember that the Jedi council did not want to train Anakin. Obi took it upon himself to train him and did not let Anakin go through the proper steps of first being trained by Yoda. Every step of Anakin's training did not follow the proper steps set by the council. The Sith wanted him trained because they knew that the Jedi had misread the prophecy and that by them training him they were sealing their own fate. They also knew that if the force were in balance that would mean less Jedi. Which would mean it would be easier to take over, which they did. You obviously don't understand. The word "balance" in the prophecy is not to be taken literally, the force is in balance when there is only light, like TK said. The Jedi did want Anakin to be trained in the end. Yoda to Obi-wan: "Agree with you the council does..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 But that's from the jedi point of wiew, the sith might have the part that balance was without jedi's, and together meaning no jedi and no sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 But that's from the jedi point of wiew, the sith might have the part that balance was without jedi's, and together meaning no jedi and no sith. It was a JEDI prophecy of course its from their view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Yeah, Darth Alec there is no Sith prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 For all we know yeah, but I did say might. I still beleve that the force is like YIN-YANG, that all sides must be equall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted March 24, 2006 Author Share Posted March 24, 2006 My thread is getting quite populair. Plagues is the master of sidious. I think it's useless to keep discussing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMAS Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 hehe... I always thought "balance" was a inappropriate term. When something is balanced, you have equal propoertions of opposing entities/amounts .. If there are no sith, it surely isnt a balance. A word like "cleanse" the force is more appropriate, though perhaps not very PC Not necessarily. When a person has a mental disorder they are considered "unbalanced" and once they get help, whether through medicine or counceling help they are considered a well-balanced individual again. The healthy community says we should eat a balanced diet. This doesn't meant equal parts of each food group. It means the proper amount of each. They Jedi were in harmony with the Force. They were guided by it, and they used it's power only when necessary. They respected life which creates the Force. The Sith however were not so. They drew on the force, they had no respect for life and the simbiosis of life and the Force. They were like a cancer on the force, which thinking in terms of health, threw the Force out of balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted March 26, 2006 Share Posted March 26, 2006 Of course, this is from the Jedi point of view! I mean, Cancers actually "survive" better than the host organism. But that's biology for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Ah, but when the host dies... so does the cancer, right? They're just malfunctioning cells, after all, not like a virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Ah, but when the host dies... so does the cancer, right? They're just malfunctioning cells, after all, not like a virus. Pretty much the same way that a fetus will die if the mother does first. I don't really see as cancer cells as being "malfunctioning," more like "no one's told you to gain immortality!" Viruses are alien "cells" that don't really care for the welbeing of the host although some do have mechanisms to prevent it from dying when it's not convenient. In a force sense, referring to the dark side literally like a cancer would mean that you'd have "Yurzon Vonged" the force out of existance by destroying the Sith. One view I thought was interesting is that Luke is not really a true Jedi so he's more of a well-balanced individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 he's not really a jedi, he does use both sides of the force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 <The Oracle> Bingo! </The Oracle> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Balance is when both sides are = (can't spell it ).The Force is not a teeter totter. I still beleve that the force is like YIN-YANG, that all sides must be equall. You can believe that if you want, but we already know that it isn't true from the movies and other sources. The yin-yang theory causes the moveis to not make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Valarian Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Is darth Sidious/Palpatine/The Emperor the apprentice of Darth Plageus ??? According to the databank at starwars.com he was... Behind a curtain of secrecy lurked Darth Sidious, a mysterious Sith Lord and puppet-master of the tumultuous events that brought an end to the Republic. The Sith order had been extinct for a millennium, yet somehow, two survived -- the Master Darth Plagueis and his apprentice, Darth Sidious. Plagueis, the wise, was an adept of some of the most arcane and unnatural applications of the Force. As Sidious described, Plagueis had uncovered a path to immortality through the manipulation of the dark side of the Force. Plagueis could, it was said, coax the midi-chlorians present in all living cells to create life from nothingness. But for a Sith, immortality was a futile pursuit. The secretive Sith order counted upon the death of a master and the rise of an apprentice to further itself. True to tradition, Sidious killed Plagueis upon learning his Master's secrets. It was then that Sidious took an apprentice, who would eventually become Darth Maul. Maul would be Sidious' blunt instrument, his deadly weapon to carry out his plans while he remained in the shadows, conspiring to take over the Republic in its waning years. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/ It would seem to me that when he was talking about him in the movie, he was telling the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Valarian, I hope you read the thread before posting, because if you did then you'd know we've already established that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 How does that make the movies make no sence? With both sides of the force exterminated, only luke was left, and he used both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 How does that make the movies make no sence? With both sides of the force exterminated, only luke was left, and he used both sides. Was Luke a Jedi or a Sith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted March 30, 2006 Author Share Posted March 30, 2006 Luke didn't use anything of the dark side, only light side. You mean Kyle Katarn who used both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 No, he did use the dark side, just watch ROTJ. But he does not go down the extreme path of jedi and sith. He also called the academy for a jedi academy bcause sith were evil. Luke is able to balance the two sides, and they are therefor in harmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 No, he did use the dark side, just watch ROTJ. But he does not go down the extreme path of jedi and sith. He also called the academy for a jedi academy bcause sith were evil. Luke is able to balance the two sides, and they are therefor in harmony. Huh? Luke only used briefly flirted with the darkside when he got angry agaisnt palpatine but then i wouldnt say he used the darkside by getting angry though. Also "He also called the academy for a jedi academy bcause sith were evil." doesnt make sense?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 How does that make the movies make no sence?For example, why would the Jedi attempt to bring about the prophecy when they know they are the most prominent? i.e. why would they want to destroy themselves? Why would they seek to also destroy the Sith if they know that means their numbers will also be zero? For starters... And the creators have already said this isn't correct, so it isn't really worth arguing... With both sides of the force exterminated, only luke was left, and he used both sides.He started using both sides (anger and hate) while fighting Vader, but then turned back to the light, whereas Vader had chosen darkness. The whole point of the trilogies was to show how the son choose differently from that father. No, he did use the dark side, just watch ROTJ. But he does not go down the extreme path of jedi and sith. Ok, so you are saying "Return of the Jedi" is actually a poor title and should actually should be "Return of the Force Using Guy Who Is Neither Sith Nor Jedi". He also called the academy for a jedi academy bcause sith were evil. Luke is able to balance the two sides, and they are therefor in harmony.Uh, what? Where on earth did you come up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Bah, I get a headach just by thinking on this topic now, so in right of superior numbers and more mature-ness, I'll back down. I hate when this happens....... But I will continue to search for more proof, and then defeat you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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