Aristotélēsticus Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 have you ever tried to answere this question, what is after death? does death mean end or its just a new beggining? in other words do you belive in Reincarnation? pls tell us your ideas? ps: only openminded persons, we dont want to get banned Comment by Darth333: this thread has started well. You may state that you believe or not believe in reincarnation, you may mention that you have religious beliefs or not and discuss but keep it civilized and respectful, keeping in mind that there are people from many different religions and cultures on these boards. If you have nothing relevant to say or can't refrain from flaming, then don't post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 If you mean reincarnation as a cycle of living, dying and coming back as something else then NO. You are born with Sin, if you accept Christ's gift of salvation, you are made clean, and are then able to spend eternity with the father, if you deny him, then you die in your sin, and cannot be with him and spend eternity in hell, Simple as that. (if you start saying something like what kind of evil, stupid god would do something like that, first ask yourself, what kind of person would want to reject him) And do you mean openminded as in, easily swayed and lacking in faith, or just not forcing others to believe what they believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotélēsticus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 well, you seem to get me wrong: first off all : i didnt say that i believe in riencarnation. second: i mean by openminded, those people who accept other's ideas like you did when you ansewer the question) i am a believer(i am muslem) and we dont believe in riencarnation just because no one talk about it before, so i am seeking the truth by knowing your ideas in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Yes I believe in reincarnation 1. there has to be some explaination for cell memory 2. there are things that occur with no explaintion like when someone close to you dies and then all of the sudden there is this cat that seems to be everywhere you are or go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 You are born with Sin, if you accept Christ's gift of salvation, you are made clean, and are then able to spend eternity with the father, if you deny him, then you die in your sin, and cannot be with him and spend eternity in hell, Well the MILLIONS of Jews, Muslems, etc. might disagree with you on that bud i am a believer(i am muslem) and we dont believe in riencarnation just because no one talk about it before, so i am seeking the truth by knowing your ideas in this thread. My opinion of the reincarnation issue is that you do not return from the dead. Dead is dead. The issue of hell or "sheol" is an issue for debate in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotélēsticus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 If you mean reincarnation as a cycle of living, dying and coming back as something else then NO. coming back as someone not something, although you may come back as something according to your deeds in your past life. You are born with Sin i agree that we are born with sin, otherwise there is no reason why we are living in this world of pain, but the Christ's descending was some kind of riencarnation as god must not look like humans so it we saw him like us for he is merciful and wanted us to see him as much as we can endure, and to make us choose whether we accept or deny him. if you accept Christ's gift of salvation, you are made clean, and are then able to spend eternity with the father, if you deny him, then you die in your sin, and cannot be with him and spend eternity in hell, if we agree with you, so the deads are now either in hell or in heaven, right? if so why there is a judgment day, we all know that after the judgment day where Jesus comback and lead the faith angains evil, after that the faiths joins heaven and the Infidels joins hell, so what about that? ps: remember i am just discussing in order to reach tha truth not to annoy you or anybody else, so if you get anoyed by some of my words then i am sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotélēsticus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by jedigoku Yes I believe in reincarnation 1. there has to be some explaination for cell memory 2. there are things that occur with no explaintion like when someone close to you dies and then all of the sudden there is this cat that seems to be everywhere you are or go. i agree, there are so many scientific theories that prove reincarnation , plus there are alot of religions that belives in it, in fact i believe that every religion based on reincarnation, because the idea of souls (from the world of light) and bodies( world of matter) are combined together is some kind of transporting from world to another, plus every relligion has a saviour who lived before and will return again to save his people which is some kind of reincarnation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Well this question is directed to the Muslem's please. I know this is off topic a bit from what we are discussing but may I ask "Do muslem's believe that Jesus was a "mere prophet like Matthew, Mark, etc." or does the muslem faith view him as they would Abraham and Moses? Again sorry for the off topic question but I do not get the opportunity to educate myself much on the muslem faith where I live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristotélēsticus Posted July 21, 2005 Author Share Posted July 21, 2005 Originally posted by General Kenobi Well this question is directed to the Muslem's please. I know this is off topic a bit from what we are discussing but may I ask "Do muslem's believe that Jesus was a "mere prophet like Matthew, Mark, etc." or does the muslem faith view him as they would Abraham and Moses? Again sorry for the off topic question but I do not get the opportunity to educate myself much on the muslem faith where I live. "well there is no need to be sorry, i have to thank you, i am very happy to see that someone is interested in kowing our faith, not just flaming us and call us evil without bothering themselves in trying to know the real islam9like you) not those terrorist who call themselves muslems, so thank you again:) " well back to your question,: in Islam Jesus is a special prophet, he is like Moses, Abraham,Jobe...etc he is even like Muhammad, coz in Islam we must believe in all of the prophets of god for they were sent to give us the same message, they are all tell us to love eachothers and live in peace but humans mind is the reason beyond this deference between religions, not the prophets, and for this we must love all of the prophets the same way we love and believe in Muhammad, the speciality of Muhamad is only that he is the last of the prophets, in other things he is like the others. about Jesus, as i told you ,he is special cos he is the "holy word of god, who was sent to the vergin mary" as the holy qouran says but the deference is that we say that god has saved him from the crossfying, thus his spirit ascended to join god in the kingdom of heavens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 " i mean by openminded, those people who accept other's ideas like you did when you ansewer the question) i am a believer(i am muslem) and we dont believe in riencarnation just because no one talk about it before, so i am seeking the truth by knowing your ideas in this thread." Well, I didn't "accept" your ideas, I just didn't force you to believe mine:) "there are things that occur with no explaintion like when someone close to you dies and then all of the sudden there is this cat that seems to be everywhere you are or go." That could also be all in your head, because when someone "close to you" dies, you miss them incredibly, and obviously want them back. ([light joke =1]My Great Grandpa just died, and now I see this Red Octagonal sign stalking me wherever I drive[/light joke]) kind of an odd way of putting it, but see what you come up with if you get to into the idea? "Well the MILLIONS of Jews, Muslems, etc. might disagree with you on that bud " And they will attempt to get me to agree with them and fail miserably:rolleyes: *starts humming Fireproof by Pillar* "i agree that we are born with sin, otherwise there is no reason why we are living in this world of pain, but the Christ's descending was some kind of riencarnation as god must not look like humans so it we saw him like us for he is merciful and wanted us to see him as much as we can endure, and to make us choose whether we accept or deny him." Absolutely no offense meant dude, But I don't really understand what you were saying there:confused: "if we agree with you, so the deads are now either in hell or in heaven," Death is like sleeping, the time between death and judgement is said to seem incredibly short, then comes the judgements. "ps: remember i am just discussing in order to reach tha truth not to annoy you or anybody else, so if you get anoyed by some of my words then i am sorry" Don't be sorry, people will usually be annoyed when you tell them your beliefs, TRUST ME:D, I'm not annoyed, it is always interesting to see others' beliefs:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 "but the deference is that we say that god has saved him from the crossfying, thus his spirit ascended to join god in the kingdom of heavens." Do you mean that you believe he didn't die on the cross? because that would nullify the whole point of him being there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 they are all tell us to love eachothers and live in peace but humans mind is the reason beyond this deference between religions Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for answering my question Some baby their threads they start and "play moderator" when someone doesn't agree. Glad to see you saw the eagerness to understand. I view Muslems as I would any other faith in god. Not as "satanists" not as "the enemy"; but as brothers who are trying to reach enlightenment like we all do at one time or another. How can you hate your own brother? I can't I just smile and feel a bit of pity for those who do hate for so little a reason. @Korfredonn Muslem faith believes that god CANNOT "die" right? Such as the death of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I think I hear devon comming:p and for the record I DON'T BELIEVE IN RELIGON because there have been to many wars about religous beliefs:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 The whole Christian belief in the crucifixion is that Christ is God in human flesh, who came to earth so that He could die and be the one final perfect sacrifice that can cleanse all sin (previously, forgiveness required the sacrifice of an animal) He died because He was human, which accomplishes the cleansing, and he rose again because He is God and can't remain dead. just thought you'd be interested in that side as well:) @JG, there have been wars over women too, do you believe in them;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 The whole Christian belief in the crucifixion is that Christ is God in human flesh, who came to earth so that He could die and be the one final perfect sacrifice that can cleanse all sin (previously, forgiveness required the sacrifice of an animal) Yeah I knew that (I've been a bapt. christian for over 10 yrs) But I agree that's what the bible says And the war issue is ALL christianity was about forever. The christians during the "crusades" killed thousands and thousands of Pagans simply becuase they refused to "turn." This was after Christians adopted December 25th as his birth and also adopted the "powerful god who had an offspring" theme for a birthday story. Christianity without a doubt has the bloodiest of all hands in the religous faiths. "Can't convert em' mass burn and kill em." That mindset never sat well with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I'm a comitted Christian. my religious beliefs are summed up there Though I believe that all religions contain some truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 "And the war issue is ALL christianity was about forever. The christians during the "crusades" killed thousands and thousands of Pagans simply becuase they refused to "turn." This was after Christians adopted December 25th as his birth and also adopted the "powerful god who had an offspring" theme for a birthday story. Christianity without a doubt has the bloodiest of all hands in the religous faiths. "Can't convert em' mass burn and kill em." That mindset never sat well with me." That also only refers to people who follow it a certain way, other religions have members with hands just as bloody. I personally believe the two laws that Christ layed down, Love the Father and Love your neighbor, All the laws are fulfilled in those two, and if you Love your neighbor, you have no choice but to try and convert them to save them from an eternity of torment (see how I stayed OT there;) ) But you also have to respect that God has given them the freedom to choose wether or not to accept him. And there are Muslim counterparts to those kill em and burn em guys, and if you say that they weren't truly Muslim, than neither were the others truly following the Word of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Korfredonn, May I ask another? In the Muslem faith are there different "sects" that radically differ in belief as there are present in christianity? see how I stayed OT there Hee hee hee I like you your a kewl dude Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Thanks dude, your rather interesting yourself:D It just looked like it was headed in a direction where somebody (probably Devon) would come in and freak out when seeing a discussion about death include religion:p (one of my favorites of his replies to one of my posts, "RELIGION *runs off and starts smashing random objects*" maybe not word for word, but that was the gist of it) Althoug as for the cool part, I WISH, it's hard for hot bloods to work in 100+ weather:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Mr revan oft he badger, Religion is just as much, if not more related to death than science. So don't start flaming, please, amd can we get a fire extinguisher for the dude in his post who is actually flaming:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 ^On JG's comments..... "But he asks the impossible...." "Then perhaps you can tell him that when he arrives!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth InSidious Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 What happened to tolerance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kenobi Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Well I was gonna make a long drippy "confessional" post but I'll bow out in "TERROR" and "Fear." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 "all my tolerance got used up at work today (stupid computers spite me at every turn)" At least you work in an air conditioned area, or at least that's what you said before;) So chill out, and don't be a jerk, that's not what this is about, and you know it, even Devon wouldn't be like that. I'm curious as to what the muslim beliefs are concerning the end times and the rapture Etc. P.S. it seems the only non religious person here is the one not taking it seriously:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE VIGILANTE Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 Originally posted by Korfredonn have you ever tried to answere this question, what is after death? does death mean end or its just a new beggining? in other words do you belive in Reincarnation? pls tell us your ideas? ps: only openminded persons, we dont want to get banned Well I believe in reincarnation. I think/feel that death is a new beginning since everytime someone dies, a new person is born to take his/her place (This is not entirely true). It's sort of hard to explain but there really is no reasoning behind my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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