What Jedi Class should Revan really be?

[Char Ell]

Alrighty then. I'm ready for the next round...

 

Correct me if I'm wrong here fellow forum members but I thought we were discussing what class of Jedi Revan most likely was in KotOR, further limiting that to the exclusion of TSL with its Prestige classes.

None of the above. Revan's in a class of his own!

While I agree that Revan is a uniquely powerful Force-sensitive even among Jedi and Dark Jedi, I don't recall the game providing an option for "own class" after completion of the Jedi training sequence on Dantooine. I would ask you to consider that if you think Revan was neither a Consular, Guardian, or Sentinel then it wouldn't make much sense to vote in this poll since those were the only three choices available here and in the game.

 

But at this point, you can be anything you want. So it doesn't prove anything

Of course at that point in the game you can choose the Jedi class you want to play the PC as. I make reference to that in the starting post of this thread. The question is what class do you think Revan most likely was based off the information presented in the game, not what class you want to play. My favorite combination to play is Scout/Guardian however that is obviously not what class I think Revan most likely is in the KotOR storyline. But if you don't think that Revan's having Sentinels for a master and a training partner has any real significance...

 

No does it say that a Consular seeks harmony and peace.

To which I respond with the following quote taken straight from KotOR's dialog files (dan13_dorak.dlg):

Master Dorak: Green is the color of the Jedi Consular. This Jedi seeks to bring balance to the universe. They mediate between other groups, using their powers to end conflict and preserve peace.

 

Why would he seek justice and not be a protector and defender? Sounds more like a Guardian reaction, according to your example.

I agree that Revan's action in this situation does seem more Guardian-like. But since you and I both don't think Revan was a Guardian... I guess the only point I have to make here is how Revan exhibits characteristics of both Guardian and Consular classes which to me more strongly cements Revan's being a Sentinel since I perceive the Sentinel class as lying somewhere in between Guardian and Consular.

 

If anything, a tactician and inspiring leader should be a Consular. Afterall, they work well with others (according to the questions asked by Master Dorak) and could be good strategists.

If anything, Sentinels only have one of those abilities, being good strategists but no where does it indicate that Sentinels work well with others. If anything, from their scouts roots, they should be loners who explore space.

Consulars work well with others yes but I don't agree with your equating Sentinels as having scout roots. I don't see any real correlation between Scoundrel/Scout/Soldier and any of the Jedi classes. I think Consulars generally have the ability to work well with others but I don't see why a Sentinel couldn't either.

 

And I don't care about statistics, my reason to believe people voted Sentinel, is only because they don't have the choice of a multiclass character and want to vote for something balanced as a compromise.

That seems like a very logical choice to me. Revan was strong in the Force and in battle. Sentinels study both the force and combat but are usually not strong in either, correct? But as we know Revan excelled in both areas. I'm not sure what you're saying with the multiclass character reference since the game only allows us to choose one Jedi class (unless you mod the game). To be completely honest, I think the same reasoning influenced my decision for Revan's being a Sentinel.

 

Master Dorak's questions.

It was something about a duel with a dark Jedi. There's a pause in the duel. You had three choices.

1- Attack him again (Guardian)

2- Question him about the reasons he fell to the Dark Side and try to save him (Consular)

3- Find a weakness in his technique (Sentinel)

 

I am impressed how well you remembered that question. I looked it up in the dialog files and you're almost dead on. If you recall my original question was: (in effect and because I'm getting tired of direct quoting ) how did you support the statement you made about Sentinels being reputed for precise strikes? So based off your response you equate finding weakness in an opponent's technique to a profound abillty for precision attacks?

 

*in the voice of Austin Powers* and I'm spent!!!

[lukeiamyourdad]

Of course at that point in the game you can choose the Jedi class you want to play the PC as. I make reference to that in the starting post of this thread. The question is what class do you think Revan most likely was based off the information presented in the game, not what class you want to play. My favorite combination to play is Scout/Guardian however that is obviously not what class I think Revan most likely is in the KotOR storyline. But if you don't think that Revan's having Sentinels for a master and a training partner has any real significance...

 

Well, Obi-Wan is considered to be a Sentinel, yet Anakin obviously isn't.

 

 

To which I respond with the following quote taken straight from KotOR's dialog files (dan13_dorak.dlg):

 

I don't doubt that. However, if he was already a Dark Sider, would he be a Consular, seeker of peace?

 

TSL spoiler:

 

Kreia questions Revan's allegiance from the beginning. You ask her why he fell to the Dark Side. Kreia answers by saying that he might never have fallen, that he was a Dark Sider all along, a bit like Palpatine, hiding himself from the Jedi.

 

 

 

 

I agree that Revan's action in this situation does seem more Guardian-like. But since you and I both don't think Revan was a Guardian... I guess the only point I have to make here is how Revan exhibits characteristics of both Guardian and Consular classes which to me more strongly cements Revan's being a Sentinel since I perceive the Sentinel class as lying somewhere in between Guardian and Consular.

 

But he was already a Dark Sider, he would react the same way, Guardian or not. If he's indeed a Dark Sider, then yes, he would exhibit a LS Guardian characteristic, however, that is not an assurance.

 

 

Consulars work well with others yes but I don't agree with your equating Sentinels as having scout roots. I don't see any real correlation between Scoundrel/Scout/Soldier and any of the Jedi classes. I think Consulars generally have the ability to work well with others but I don't see why a Sentinel couldn't either.

 

Actually, the game was built so that:

 

Soldier=Guardian

Scout=Sentinel

Scoundrel=Consular

 

Soldiers are specialist at combat, Scouts are the jack-of-all-trades with good skills and Scoundrels are the weaker combatants but rely on other abilities.

TSL messed things up a bit, turning the Sentinel into a stealth assassin with good skills.

 

That seems like a very logical choice to me. Revan was strong in the Force and in battle. Sentinels study both the force and combat but are usually not strong in either, correct? But as we know Revan excelled in both areas. I'm not sure what you're saying with the multiclass character reference since the game only allows us to choose one Jedi class (unless you mod the game). To be completely honest, I think the same reasoning influenced my decision for Revan's being a Sentinel.

 

So can a Consular be capable in combat.

I'm talking about a hypothetical multiclass character because people do not want to see Revan lean one way or another. They "think" he's a jack-of-all-trades, but there is no evidence of it. But no where does it say that he excels in any particular area or if excels in both. The conclusion is therefore ours to make.

 

 

I am impressed how well you remembered that question. I looked it up in the dialog files and you're almost dead on. If you recall my original question was: (in effect and because I'm getting tired of direct quoting ) how did you support the statement you made about Sentinels being reputed for precise strikes? So based off your response you equate finding weakness in an opponent's technique to a profound abillty for precision attacks?

 

Thanks Doing it 18 times does help you remember it.

 

Yes I do equate it. A precise strike would normally target an enemy's weak point in order to cripple him with a simple strike.

[Char Ell]

We've come to the end of the second week of this poll and the voting still has Jedi Sentinel with a significant lead but Jedi Consular is holding its ground...

 

Jedi Sentinel - 15 votes (+4 votes since last week)

Jedi Consular - 7 votes (+4 votes since last week)

Jedi Guardian - 3 votes (+2 votes since last week)

 

For those that haven't voted yet, why haven't you? Don't you have an opinion on these things? So make your choice already!!!

[witchfinder]

I haven't voted because I still think Revan's in a class of his own!

[Char Ell]

^^^

Well then, I guess I didn't need to say anything after all

 

I thought about asking a mod to add "Revan's own class" as an additional choice on this poll after reading your first post. After further consideration though I decided against because (1) people who already voted may have wanted to change their vote and wouldn't have been able to and (2) I felt that those are the only 3 choices the game offers. Trying to establish a class outside of the game's parameters seems like going way out in left field to me.

[Rok_stoned]

maybe revan spent time as all three classes you know how in d&d you can change your class at different levels after you got a skill you want so your character can be truly customized

[Char Ell]

And so the end of this poll's third week has arrived. Considering the activity of this poll post has diminished to its current level, it would seem that Jedi Sentinel has an unsurmountable 13 vote lead over Jedi Consular. Or is there anyone out there who still hasn't voted yet?

 

Jedi Sentinel - 20 votes(+5 votes since last week)

Jedi Consular - 7 votes (0 votes since last week)

Jedi Guardian - 5 votes (+2 votes since last week)

[lukeiamyourdad]

26 persons out of 33 are illogical and senseless people

 

JK

[Char Ell]

There, there now, lukeiamyourdad. Just take a seat in this la-z-boy and take a load off your feet. How about some some milk and chocolate chip cookies? That should make you feel better.

*** Plays some nice relaxing music for lukeiamyourdad ***

 

[Lightsider]

I think he was a gaurdian simply because he was a general and very powerfull, Malak couldnt beat him one on one and it is apparent that he used to make fun of malak from what Hk says of him and where the term meatbag came from. Also in the second kotor on Koriban Kreia talks about the great lightsaber abilitys of the past dark lords and says that they were even greater than Revan. So this leads me to a conclusion that Revan had to be a gaurdian before, and after the council errased his mind he could become anything. Remember the dream seqeunce when bastilla was on board with the other Jedi, there were at least four of them to take on Revan.

Or am I just reading to much into the whole thing....LOL

[Emperor Devon]

I don't think Revan's regular class matters much, but his prestige class....

 

I would have to go with Sith Lord.

[lukeiamyourdad]

I think he was a gaurdian simply because he was a general and very powerfull, Malak couldnt beat him one on one and it is apparent that he used to make fun of malak from what Hk says of him and where the term meatbag came from.

 

Because only Guardians can defeat their enemies? What does making fun of Malak have anything to do with anything?

 

Also in the second kotor on Koriban Kreia talks about the great lightsaber abilitys of the past dark lords and says that they were even greater than Revan.

 

So the fact that ancient Sith Lords were better then Revan at the lightsaber means that he's a Guardian? He at least could be a Sentinel and be an excellent saberist. Even a Consular isn't half bad with a saber.

 

Remember the dream seqeunce when bastilla was on board with the other Jedi, there were at least four of them to take on Revan.

Or am I just reading to much into the whole thing....LOL

 

Because only Guardians can take on more then one enemy at once? Force Storm anyone?

[MdKnightR]

MdKnightR wonders when lukeiamyourdad will admit defeat...

[lukeiamyourdad]

No capitulation. Only death!

 

Besides, I accept Sentinel having more votes but Guardian? Why Guardian? It makes absolutely no sense!

[Emperor Devon]

You guys all seem to be determining Revan's power based on his class rather than himself. He could be a consular and still be one of the best lightsaber duelists in the galaxy.

[Mono_Giganto]

Conselor just means that your force powers are better than your saber abilities, it doesn't specifically require that one of them be at a low standard. They could both be excellent, just FP would be better.

[Char Ell]

Yes, Revan could have been a Consular or a Guardian. But I still think Revan most likely a Sentinel. I know LIAYD doesn't think so though

 

I too am surprised that Guardian has overtaken Consular in the voting. In my estimation Consular is the next most likely class, after Sentinel that is...

[Rok_stoned]

MdKnightR wonders when lukeiamyourdad will admit defeat...

 

*plays ride of the valkyries over luke's whimpering of fear.

 

 

j/k

[BattleDog]

You know I see a lot of talk here about abilities but very little about what the role of the classes is.

 

Consular: Seeks to bring balance to the force, is a mediator a diplomat and a teacher. They eek to solve mistories of the universe through the force.

 

Sentinal: Ferrits out deciet, looks for the hidden enemies. Sentinals are self reliant and used to working alone, behind the scenes.

 

Gaudians: Seek out the dark side and destroy it, direct confrontation. They focus on the martial arts, use of the light sabre and tactics.

 

The key to determining Reven's class is to ask what his reaction was the Mandalorian Invasion.

 

A. Direct action, confront and destroy. This strongly suggests Reven was a Guardian. Added to this is his obvious flare for strategy and tactics. The fact that he built assassin droids for a hobby and discovered the Star Forge doesn't change the fact that at the core he is a warrior.

[Analia]

Sentiel

[Sabretooth]

I picked Sentinel, because he is too slim and smart to be a Guardian and too cool to be a Consular.

 

<_<

>_>

[Char Ell]

You know I see a lot of talk here about abilities but very little about what the role of the classes is.

Eh? What's that you say? Um, have you read all the posts on this thread? Each class has been brought up and many have presented their arguments for Revan's class based off what we know about Revan's actions. Significant debate has occurred already. The whole point of this thread is to provide arguments to support your opinion on Revan's Jedi class.

 

If you feel that Revan is a Guardian then OK, but I'm not convinced. You base your argument off of one decision in Revan's life, to go and fight the Mandalorian invasion, and seem to ignore all of Revan's other actions. I've already argued that action could be reasonably expected from a Guardian or Sentinel.

 

If you're interested, review my argument posted on 08-02-2005 10:53 PM in this thread. Then if you care to refute my arguments with your own, go right ahead. But if you're just going to traipse in and say "Revan was a Guardian because Revan decided to fight the Mandalorians" then you can do just that. I'm not one to give much consideration to simple and understated arguments though.

[SITHSLAYER133]

gaurdians rush headlong into any conflict

sentinals may use a force power or 2

consulars are the major tactiacions

[SITHSLAYER133]

i mean none of these classes really suit him because he was in reality everything rolled into one

[Char Ell]

^^^

I think you and BattleDog take a much too simplistic view of matters. Your argument that Revan was everything rolled into one has essentially already been made. If that's where you imagination takes you then I understand but I don't agree with this idea that Revan was a multi-class or all-classes individual. If you will refer to a post I made to this thread on 08-04-2005 @ 11:42 PM...

 

Originally posted by witchfinder

None of the above. Revan's in a class of his own!

 

Originally posted by Hai Wan

While I agree that Revan is a uniquely powerful Force-sensitive even among Jedi and Dark Jedi, I don't recall the game providing an option for "own class" after completion of the Jedi training sequence on Dantooine. I would ask you to consider that if you think Revan was neither a Consular, Guardian, or Sentinel then it wouldn't make much sense to vote in this poll since those were the only three choices available here and in the game.

 

gaurdians rush headlong into any conflict

sentinals may use a force power or 2

consulars are the major tactiacions

What is your factual basis for these statements? I don't recall anything from the game that would support what you've said.