Char Ell Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 It seems like the Republic Newsfeed needs a little more posting action. KotOR is such a good game it shouldn't be ignored just because its sequel came out. Please excuse me if this topic has been covered in the past. My cursory search of the General Discussion boards didn't reveal anything that seemed to be along these lines but it may have been in "The Lost Threads." So what is the deal with Bastila and her choice of lightsaber types? In the "visions" that occur in the game Bastila uses a single bladed lightsaber when with the other Jedi she confronts Darth Revan on his ship. On Taris however she recovers her double-bladed lightsaber after dispatching Brejik. And of course she starts with the basic two-weapon feat as opposed to the basic dueling feat when she joins the group on Taris. So was this something that got changed during development or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 23, 2005 Share Posted July 23, 2005 Hint 1: There is a very significant event that occurs between the time we first see her with a single saber and when we see her later with a double-bladed saber. Hint 2: Double-bladed sabers are traditionally associated with Dark Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted July 23, 2005 Author Share Posted July 23, 2005 @ Achilles Would that significant event be revealed in TSL? If so then I guess the cat is out of the bag. Nope, I haven't played TSL yet. Not that I haven't wanted to. KotOR played marginally well on my current PC and I just want to wait and play it when I have the finances to purchase a system that will do TSL justice. No more compromising the gameplaying experience for me. I do understand and accept your reference to double sabers being more commonly associated with Dark Jedi. You wouldn't happen to be referring to Bastila using the Force to maintain the flicker of life in Revan after Malak attacked Revan's ship, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 I, too, noticed this change. I never knew what to think of it. Still don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 From what the story infers/tells us, Bastila is changed after meeting and saving Revan, not only did she become connected to Revan, she became more succeptable to the Darkside because she touched the Darkside through Revan, and secretly liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Kudos to Redhawke Not sure if I agree with the "secretly liked it" part though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Originally posted by Achilles Not sure if I agree with the "secretly liked it" part though. Perhaps I worded it incorrectly (trying to save some keystrokes), a better wording might be; As a result of her touching the DS through Revan, Bastila secretly has a desire to explore the DS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilodon Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Bastila also mentions when you are strong aligned to the light side that how hard she finds it to stay on the path of the light, also a slight indication of her tendency to the dark side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastila Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Or maybe she just thourght i want a double blanded lightsaber as i think i can handle it as i thourght Revan (kind of), to show more skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom750 Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 I know its only in the Vision but i've always wonder how she was able to take the Dark Jedi she was fighting. Because she not really that good and plus she says "You can't win Revan" when the other 3 Jedi join her and i'm always thinking YOU CAN'T BEAT REVAN HAHAHA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted July 24, 2005 Share Posted July 24, 2005 Originally posted by Venom750 I know its only in the Vision but i've always wonder how she was able to take the Dark Jedi she was fighting. Because she not really that good and plus she says "You can't win Revan" when the other 3 Jedi join her and i'm always thinking YOU CAN'T BEAT REVAN HAHAHA. Much the way that Palpatine dispatched all of those Jedi that came to put him under arrest, I think that Revan would have likely done the same against Bastila's team had it not been for an ambitious and cowardly apprentice! As for why she later chose to wield a doubleblade, who cares! I know everyone says that they are usually associated with the dark side. Perhaps she woke up the morning before the Endar Spire was shot out of the sky and said, "You know, I feel like carrying this doubleblade today." You know how women can be with accessories! Maybe Bastilla took lessons from Zez-Kai Ell. Ever think of that? Noone is questioning the Jedi Master's reasons for wielding such a weapon. Besides, I know that when I first played KOTOR that I started using one as soon as I found one, and I almost always play Light Side characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 So let me get this straight, Achilles and RedHawke. You're saying that because Bastila used the Force to save Revan's life and thus created the bond between herself and Revan, she gained insight into Revan's mind and the power of the dark side, then she decided to switch from the Jedi standard lightsaber to a double-bladed saber? (was that a run-on sentence ) Hmmm... while I can see that interpretation of events I have a difficult time fully embracing it. Imagine when Bastila shows up at the Jedi enclave on Dantooine, packing a double-bladed lightsaber... Master Zhar: Greetings, Padawan Bastila. I could not help but notice that you carry a dual-bladed lightsaber now. I find that strange and of concern. Why have you decided to forego the Jedi's single bladed lightsaber? Bastila: Uhhh, mmmm, well... I just thought I would try it out and see what these double sabers are all about, Master Zhar. Master Zhar: Surely, Padawan Bastila, there's more to it than that. A Jedi does not simply change her lightsaber merely because she "wants to try it out." The lightsaber a Jedi wields is much too important to be subject to a whim. Bastila: Look Master Zhar, I want to use a double-bladed lightsaber now, OK! I've got the Battle Meditation so leave me alone or I won't use my BM to support the war anymore. Got it? Master Zhar: Indeed padawan. Perhaps I can escort you to our Jedi counseling center. It would seem that you require assistance with anger management. @MDKnightR: I care... otherwise I wouldn't have started this thread. I wanted to find out what other KotOR fans thought. I, like you, am still not sure what to make of it for reasons stated above. @Achilles and Redhawke - BTW and off-topic - thanks for the KotOR mods you guys make. They're great! I use Achilles' Knight Items and RedHawke's Item and Booster Packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 1st, thanks for the kudos. Nice to hear that not all my K1 stuff is gathering dust As for the rest, feel free to take whatever interpretation that you wish. Bastila mentions several times throughout the game that she's taken aback by how powerfully the bond has affected her. A powerful, but impressionable Jedi has an encounter with a powerful Sith Lord. The Jedi uses the Force to touch (and salvage) the mind of the Sith Lord, creating a strong Force bond. Said Jedi then begins using double-bladed lightsaber. Coincidence? Possibly, but it makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. I don't know if the encounter gave her any "insight" into Revan or the Dark Side, but I imagine that such an intimate use of the Force probably helped to fuel the seed of doubt in Bastila. If it helps, think of the double-bladed saber as physical representation of the beginning of Bastila's fall. That's how I assume the devs wanted us to see it and it would also seem to foreshadow the events that transpire later in the game. As for how the Counsel responded to the change; your theory sounds about as reasonable as any other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted July 26, 2005 Author Share Posted July 26, 2005 @ Achilles Well, I thought about it quite a bit at work today. My current job doesn't require my full attention so I can devote some brain cycles to non-work matters. In any case, the more I thought about it the more it came down to it's how you describe it or it was a cutscene that got created and then the dev team decided to change things after the cutscene was already done. At this point I think the former scenario more likely than the latter. Bioware did too good of a job with KotOR to have overlooked this. The only real sticking point I still have is the matter of none of the named Sith characters in the story (Revan and Malak) are depicted using a double-bladed lightsaber. So what exactly was it that inspired Bastila to make the change? I guess we'll never really know. Without further details your theory seems the most plausible. Thanks to all for their input. If anybody else has any ideas, please don't hesitate to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I think part of my previous post was ignored. What does anyone think about Master Zez-Kai Ell using the doublesaber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I'm more concerned about the choices he makes with is facial hair than I am what kind of saber he uses. Maybe it's normal for Jedi from Village People World to use double-bladed lightsabers. BTW, your previous msg regard Zez-Kai Ell seemed rather rhetorical. Maybe that's why no one responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Originally posted by Achilles I'm more concerned about the choices he makes with is facial hair than I am what kind of saber he uses. Maybe it's normal for Jedi from Village People World to use double-bladed lightsabers. BTW, your previous msg regard Zez-Kai Ell seemed rather rhetorical. Maybe that's why no one responded. Yes, you are probably right. It did sound a bit rhetorical. I was just curious about what others had to say about it. It seems that people in this thread are acting as if Bastila is the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Well for all intents and purposes, it seems like OE just wanted to make sure that each saber style was represented by the Counsel *shrug*. That's about as far as I got with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Originally posted by Hai Wan The only real sticking point I still have is the matter of none of the named Sith characters in the story (Revan and Malak) are depicted using a double-bladed lightsaber. Darth Bandon anyone? The devs have stated that they were trying for a Vader feel without being Vader for Malak which explains why he used a single blade. As for Revan, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Single saber is cooler anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted July 26, 2005 Author Share Posted July 26, 2005 Oh, uh, Darth Bandon, yeah... DOH!!! ***Hai Wan remembers he forgot to take his memory stimulants*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastila Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Ok, why does it make you kinda DS if you have a double blanded saber, also maybe Bastila just wanted one. People will asking next why's it yellow lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilodon Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Cause she's a Sentinel? :ugly: The double-bladed lightsaber is preferred by mostly Dark Jedi and it's more a offensive weapon. Jedi should only use the force and their lightsaber for defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Originally posted by Bastila Ok, why does it make you kinda DS if you have a double blanded saber, also maybe Bastila just wanted one. People will asking next why's it yellow lol. Well, ignoring Exar Kun and Darth Maul completely, I guess I just have to go with the item description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastila Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 on hear it mentions about her saber http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastila_Shan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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