Kanye has Snapped

[ForceFightWMe12]

Hey all,

Did anyone else see Kanye West's explosion about the hurricane relief effort during the concert a few night's ago? I don't know about you, but I find that completely uncalled for.

Before I go any further, what do you guys think?

[Darth333]

A link would be better for those who didn't heard about this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html

 

 

edit: more complete link with video + transcript: http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/001133.html

[Killwithhonor]

wait, so let me get this straight, west is standing up for the people in the hurricane? right? and he is right about bush, hopefully he will be impeached SOON! About 2months ago he gave a speach on what he will do with gas, hydrogen he said was the solution, hmm well lets see, has any effort been put into this matter? no, gas prices here have been going up about 5cents a day and its $3.29 here, my god, also the economy is the worst its ever been in years hopefully if and when Bush does get impeached, that in about 4 years the economy will be able to get stable, but for Kanye, what he said was true, and the media was saying that wat he said was bad, but its the truth and the media cant handle the truth, they always have to manipluate us, i hate it, no disregard for us, they just want to make money, i wish we could take them down but we cant, but back on the matter of kanye, the red cross are the only people actual helping the people down in New Orleans and some fire fighters and such, but i dont see people like kanye making donations to anything yet they have all that frigging money and all they want to do is just make more and rub it in our faces, for some thats not the case but for most, it is, im done

[Achilles]

I know that many members of the African-American community feel as though Washington has dragged it's feet to help. I also know that state and city officials are waving around paperwork that documents Federal money for levy repair being appropriated for the war in Iraq and setting up the Department of Homeland Security. Lastly, I know that the US has a long history of free speech which means that even people with unpopular views are allowed their time in the limelight.

 

What do I think personally? I think that if I were a disadvantaged minority living in the Deep South right now, I might hope that the recent natural disaster that destroyed my community would get the same care and attention that New York saw after the September 11th attacks.

[Killwithhonor]

I know that many members of the African-American community feel as though Washington has dragged it's feet to help. I also know that state and city officials are waving around paperwork that documents Federal money for levy repair being appropriated for the war in Iraq and setting up the Department of Homeland Security. Lastly, I know that the US has a long history of free speech which means that even people with unpopular views are allowed their time in the limelight.

 

What do I think personally? I think that if I were a disadvantaged minority living in the Deep South right now, I might hope that the recent natural disaster that destroyed my community would get the same care and attention that New York saw after the September 11th attacks.

i couldnt have said it any better

[ForceFightWMe12]

I understand all that you are saying. Indeed, Bush really has done nothing but destroy this country and it has taken a while for rescuers ect to get there, but you have to look at what the people are doing down there as well. They're not exactly making things better. 80% of the city is under water, and the people are setting what's left of the city on fire as well as shooting at rescue helicopters. So that isn't really helping either.

While West did have some points, all I'm saying is that it was totally inappropriate for him to say that at that time. It was a concert to help the victims of the Hurricane. Let me tell you, whatever profits they made probably weren't as high as they would like after that. I just don't understand why he did that. Sorry, but I'm not sure that even 50 Cent or someone would be bold/stupid enough to say something like that at that point in time.

Its not like we're not helping them at all. I mean, even just from my home town and the areas around us, we were able to send ten semi-trucks full of water down south. So they are getting some help...

[Aash Li]

Black people arent a minority, especially in Lousiana... they might have been a minority at one time, but they arent now. Some areas in the US, they could be considered a minority... in some areas of the US, the white people would be the minority.. Some are "disadvantaged" because they want to be, some arent.

 

It was the governors responsibility to fix and make the levies better, hes the one in charge of the state, not the president. From what I heard, he knew months ago that the levies wouldnt last through another hurricane, but did nothing to fix them.

 

Sending semitrucks full of water to a city thats half-submerged under water just gives me the giggles. I know its fresh drinkable water, unlike the stuff on the ground down there, but its still kinda funny.

 

Oh and I too dont think that rappers political rant was at all appropriate. If you want to bash the president and the republicans, thats fine, you have every right to do so. But during such a disaster, and during a benefit concert, keep your blasted opinions to yourself! There will be more than enough time afterwards to rant and belly-ache.

[RaV™]

Okay..I want to get something straight here..I dislike Bush as much as everyone elses job, and the hurricane hitting New Orleans was inevitable, but the US never had a plan for something like this in the first place, we all new this was going to happen, but we didn't know when and we didn't prepare for any of it and now look at all the casualties and people being drove insane over it, Bush spent more money in the war for more US soldiers to be killed over a senseless war for oil, but he didn't do a damn thing to help this country at all, he didn't pay a single dime to help improve the levies and dams. he SHOULD be impeached, and Kanye hasn't snapped he's speaking the truth.

[ForceFightWMe12]

Kanye hasn't snapped he's speaking the truth.

 

I never said that Kanye wasn't right. I only said that he didn't need to go and make a fool of himself by flipping out at a benifit concert.

 

Sending semitrucks full of water to a city thats half-submerged under water just gives me the giggles. I know its fresh drinkable water, unlike the stuff on the ground down there, but its still kinda funny

 

Okay, it wasn't all to the Super Dome. It was to all of the disaster zones around Louisiana or something, I can't remember exactly. But anyway...

 

look at all the casualties

 

Okay, many of those casualties are those who would not leave. Now I know that there are people that couldn't afford to leave or whatever, but there are also those who are being stuborn and stupid and refuse to leave their homes. Even now, rescuers are risking thier lives to get down into those houses to rescue those that are in them, and when they get down there, the people inside refuse to leave. They don't seem to understand that there is nothing left for them and they will die if they stay, but the rescuers cannot force them to leave.

[MdKnightR]

I think everyone needs to let up on Bush. He isn't the Messiah afterall. Cut him some slack. I doubt that anyone posting to these forums could do any better in the same situations that he has been presented with over the years.

 

As for Kanye's comments, that was nothing more than an ungrateful person with an inferiority (or, perhaps, a superiority) complex speaking what little mind he has in order to make people feel sorry for him and "his people." What can be done in New Orleans is being done and he shouldn't say divisive things when we need to be coming together to help.

[ET Warrior]

I think everyone needs to let up on Bush. He isn't the Messiah afterall. Cut him some slack. I doubt that anyone posting to these forums could do any bet

But none of the people posting on these forums ran for and was elected president of the United States either. He took on the role as leader of this country, and as such it is on his shoulders. He ****ed up. BIG time.

[Aash Li]

Bush hasnt really messed up any more than the last few presidents if you were honest with yourself...

 

*puts on fire-proof suit*

[ForceFightWMe12]

But none of the people posting on these forums ran for and was elected president of the United States either. He took on the role as leader of this country, and as such it is on his shoulders. He ****ed up. BIG time.

 

Aye, he wanted the position, he got it, he screwed up, he's gotta fix it.

 

Although the War wasn't all his fault. After all, only Congress can declare war, the President can only propose to do so.

 

But back on topic, Kanye did screw up big time too. I've noticed that many of the radio stations have decided to take 'Gold Digger', 'Diamonds from Sierra Lone', and 'Jesus Walks' off the air the past couple of days...

[ET Warrior]

I'm stealing this from another member who posted in another section of LF

How SHOULD a President Respond to Impending Disaster

 

In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd -- a category 3 -- was bearing down the Carolinas and Virginia.

 

President Clinton was in Christchurch, New Zealand - meeting with President Jiang of China (you know, actually working). He made the proclamation that

only Presidents can make and declared the areas affected by Floyd "Federal Disaster Areas" so the National Guard and Military can begin to mobilize. Then he cut short his meetings overseas and flew home to coordinate the rescue efforts. This all one day BEFORE a Cat-3 hit the coast. That is how you do it.

 

How about this dope's own father during Hurricane Andrew? Once again, President Bush (41) -- August, 1992 -- was in the midst of a brutal campaign

for re-election. Yet, he cut off his campaigning the day before and went to Washington where he martialed the largest military operation on US soil in history. He sent in 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military personnel, and all the gear to begin the clean up within hours after Andrew passed through Florida. 'Cause, you know, those people and their stuff was actually where it belonged, rather than being used for insurgent

target-practice halfway around the world in a vain effort to make Iraq safe for Iranian takeover.

 

 

In August of 1969 when Cat-5 Hurricane Camille hit roughly the same area as Katrina, President Nixon had already readied the National Guard and ordered

all Gulf rescue vessels and equipment from Tampa and Houston to follow the Hurricane in. There were over 1,000 regular military with two dozen helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard within hours after the skies cleared.

 

Bush 43 - August 2005 - Cat-5 Hurricane Katrina bears down on New Orleans and the Mississippi gulf. Both states are down nearly 8,000 National Guard troops because they are in Iraq -- with most of the rescue gear needed. Bush is on vacation. The day before Katrina makes landfall, Bush rides his bike for two hours. The day she hits, he goes to Johnnie McCain's birthday party; and lies to old people about the multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical company welfare boondoggle. People are dying, the largest port of entry in the

United States (and fifth largest in the World) is under attack. Troops and supplies are desperately needed. The levees are cracking and the emergency

1-1/2 ton sandbags are ready, but there aren't enough helicopters or pilots to set them before the levees fail. The mayor of New Orleans begs for

Federal coordination, but there is none, and the sandbagging never gets done. So Bush -- naturally -- goes to San Diego to play guitar with country

singer and lie to the military about how Iraq is just exactly like WWII. The levees give way, filling New Orleans with water, sewage, oil and chemicals. Ten percent of all US exports, and 50% of all agricultural exports ordinarly go through this port. It is totally destroyed. Bush decides he'll end his vacation a couple of days early -- TOMORROW --BECAUSE HE HAS TICKETS TO A PADRES GAME! He goes back to the Fake Farm in Crawford, with every intention of doing something on WEDNESDAY about this disaster that happened starting last Sunday night

[ForceFightWMe12]

Who wrote that? Whoever did is my hero

[Aash Li]

Again, the sandbagging and the levvies is not the job of the president to take care of, its the govenors. The govenor screwed up. Im not saying that Bush isnt a halfwit and didnt screw up, but blaming him for everything thats happened because of the hurricane is just nonsense.

 

*applies a +2 enchantment to her flame-proof suit*

[ForceFightWMe12]

Again, the sandbagging and the levvies is not the job of the president to take care of, its the govenors. The govenor screwed up. Im not saying that Bush isnt a halfwit and didnt screw up, but blaming him for everything thats happened because of the hurricane is just nonsense.

 

I'm not blaming him for everything, I'm blaming him for everything that the government could do that they're not doing. And no, it wasn't the governor's fault, because he tried and did everything he could, but without federal help, then the sandbags would never have been in place before the levvis broke.

 

And I know this is a weird comparison because of the difference in magnitude, but:

When the tsunami hit, US forces were at disaster areas within three hours.

When the hurricane hit OUR OWN COUNTRY, its taken the government around 3 DAYS to even get off thier fat a$$e$ and DO something about it. Honestly, I think some of them are more worried about their paychecks than the disaster areas...

[ForceFightWMe12]

Oh, and I was just listening to the radio and they said that Bush is going in for his third look at the hurricane disaster area. Whoopdie-do. Maybe he can do something about it now.

[Aash Li]

The govenor knew about the levies and the sandbagging long before the hurricane hit and didnt do anything about it. He didnt need federal assistance then, he could have used state tax money to fix them, thats what its there for, besides filling his bank account. Again, Im not saying Bush isnt at fault here, but hes not the only person responsible for the mess.

[ET Warrior]

Nobody here is saying that the governor didn't ALSO **** it up. But the President did hardcore style.

[Aash Li]

Ok then we are agreed! And yes the pres is hardcore. lol

[El Sitherino]

Truth be told Bush is ON RECORD for saying he dislikes black people. You can look it up at your library. Records section and such.

[ForceFightWMe12]

He is?? Well that was a smooth move, with him being president and all...

[MdKnightR]

President Clinton was in Christchurch, New Zealand - meeting with President Jiang of China (you know, actually working).

 

I wonder if this was when Clinton gave nuclear secrets to China.

 

Again, I say cut the man (Bush) some slack. Besides, this isn't a thread to discuss the president. Lets get back to the simple-minded rapper that sparked this discussion.

[ForceFightWMe12]

Aye, we've gotten a bit off topic...