REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Agreed:) But what happened to fighting anakin, I think IS got a little crazy, and forgot to include quite a few posts;) aww he broke it an dunno how to fix it:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 But canon says otherwise. When we see Anakin again, but as Vader in the suit, he has effectively mastered the force. Revan's remastery and all that is merely a plot/game difficulty device. Anakin's power and potential is an essential part of Star Wars itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 But canon says otherwise. When we see Anakin again, but as Vader in the suit, he has effectively mastered the force. Revan's remastery and all that is merely a plot/game difficulty device. Anakin's power and potential is an essential part of Star Wars itself. but anakin != darth vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 A plot/film device, if you will;) As is Revans, and any other force user "all crap connected through the force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 but anakin != darth vader In mind only, physically they're one in the same. A plot/film device, if you will;) No, because Anakin/Vader's is the plot, not a device to move it along. In the end this is all that Canon is official, while EU is secondary. Trying to place EU on top of Canon is a foolhardy effort that, in the end, will have no reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Okaaay, one heck of a double standard there:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Okaaay, one heck of a double standard there:D Uhm... no. Perhaps if you have no comprehension of the english language. But a plot device is different from the plot. Plot being the story, plot device being something that moves the story along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 That's it, backpeddal faster:D I was simply editing what you wrote, to show that they are the same, if you think about it "Anakin's power and potential is an essential part of Star Wars itself." Reavan's power and potential is an essential part of Star Wars itself. Exile's power and potential is an essential part of Star Wars itself. the list goes on:) And if you want to say it that way, Anakin doesn't even matter, because it's all originally about Luke, and anakin then is to luke as you say revan is to anakin. It seems like you're saying all SW is about anakin simply because the most recently filmed canon focuses on him "In the end this is all that Canon is official, while EU is secondary. Trying to place EU on top of Canon is a foolhardy effort that, in the end, will have no reward." And as long as they mesh, one is just as important as the other. The differences are in your personal interpretation of Canon and Eu;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 well vader as we knew him before the new ones bearly had the same body as anakin. anakin could survive without the suit but vader couldn't so in essance they are two entirely different people so anakin is still learning when we were talking about anywho and wasn't at his peak so revan pwns anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The differences are that I recognize that Canon is taken over EU. And according to Canon, Anakin is the strongest force user to exist. And no EU is an essential part to Star Wars, because Star Wars can exist without EU, Star Wars however cannot exist without Anakin/Vader and his story. No backpedaling, merely further explaining myself since you seem to use your circular EU arguement. anakin could survive without the suit but vader couldn't so in essance they are two entirely different people So I lose my legs and burn to a crisp, I am no longer me but someone else? Hardly any logic to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Only a circular path caused by the gravity well of a huge circular reasoning object:D The events in the EU prequels (kotor) are the historical foundation of the "canon" six movies, without everyone in Kotor, Anakin wouldn't exist, it's simple timeline:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Different times = different powers. But personally, I think Exar Kun would own Revan and Anakin. It took a bunch of Jedi Masters to "defeat" Kun, and even then, he was not destroyed. It only took one half-trained Jedi to defeat Anakin/Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 So I lose my legs and burn to a crisp, I am no longer me but someone else? Hardly any logic to that. no vader is mostly machine now and barely human any more that coupled with the change in personality along with obi-wan and yoda saying that anakin is dead is the basis of my statement so still anakin != vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Only a circular path caused by the gravity well of a huge circular reasoning object:D The events in the EU prequels (kotor) are the historical foundation of the "canon" six movies, without everyone in Kotor, Anakin wouldn't exist, it's simple timeline:D Wrong. KOTOR's story could entirely change and nothing in the movies would be different. What you and Revan are saying is "EU character is stronger than anyone because his EU source says so", it's circular. Anakin is infact the strongest, not only because the movies clearly state this (and this alone makes it so) but Lucas himself says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 well by you logic we can't compare the two then and btw whats with all the mods and the like on here all of the sudden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsider Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Now everyone should know that Anakin was decieved and led to believe he wasnt ready for the trials...(B.S). The jedi feared him because he fed of emotion, darth sidious knew this and therefore even said he was more powerfull than he was. And when he embraced the dark side and trully fell, Revan and the Exile wouldnt have even been a pimple on his ass, he mrched through the acadamy on coruscant like an army of legioneers going through Gaul, and there were plenty of jedi masters there that were teaching the younglings. So Vader All the way !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 no vader is mostly machine now and barely human any more that coupled with the change in personality along with obi-wan and yoda saying that anakin is dead is the basis of my statement so still "From a certain point of view", but by all technical means, Anakin = Vader. Anakin's powers are effectively Vader's, seeing as they are the same body. Even if the mind is not the same, the body is, and that is where the ability to use the force is drawn from. well by you logic we can't compare the two then and btw whats with all the mods and the like on here all of the sudden I believe that was the original point Kain was making, and that saying such things that you did goes against the very soul of the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I'm here because I was linked here in IRC chat and I'm somehwat of an EU nutcase. I'd also like to point out that while Darth vader could never fully heal himself from his injuries, Exar Kun was able to fully heal himself with the Dark Side. And yes, EU/Canon, to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 but as true sw fans we have to consider more than just the movies since there is so much more than the movies now with eu and the games we can't be restricted to only what the movies say it just isn't possible to ignore the other info out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I'm here because I was linked here in IRC chat and I'm somehwat of an EU nutcase. I'd also like to point out that while Darth vader could never fully heal himself from his injuries, Exar Kun was able to fully heal himself with the Dark Side. And yes, EU/Canon, to each their own. Because there is no force regrow limbs. Kun just used the force to heal his crushed bones. Nothing special. but as true sw fans we have to consider more than just the movies since there is so much more than the movies now with eu and the games we can't be restricted to only what the movies say it just isn't possible to ignore the other info out there No, but no EU information can be taken over Canon. Fan-fiction that contradicts the source it's based on can't be taken over the source, it's just the same with Star Wars. Let's say I wrote a fan-fiction that said Luke was infact a woman, and had it published? Would you take that as fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 That depends on how hot you make her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I'll take this moment to direct people to old threads in the EU forum where Canon vs EU has been discussed and forgotten countless times before. At the moment, you people are arguing in circles and just increasing your post count. You'll never change your minds, kthx, moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 That depends on how hot you make her... who Revan? my revan == looks like bastila that count as hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDJOHNNYMIKE Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 "Anakin is infact the strongest, not only because the movies clearly state this (and this alone makes it so) but Lucas himself says so." Uh, in you're supporting information, you said Lucas said he was the "Chosen one" and like I said that can be interpreted in many ways...why didn't you just quote him saying "Anakin is, always was and always will be: the most powerfule force user, etc." @Lightsider, yeah, the masters who weren't sent into battle, for a reason "babysitters" "Even if the mind is not the same, the body is, and that is where the ability to use the force is drawn from." Since you support the "born-of-the-force-midi-whatevers" you also must know that midchlorians would've been cut off by Obi Wan Kenobi, thereby reducing his midichlorian count and reducing his force power. "I believe that was the original point Kain was making, and that saying such things that you did goes against the very soul of the movies." Could you clarify that statement? Revan has a point. "Because there is no force regrow limbs. Kun just used the force to heal his crushed bones. Nothing special." Not even for the "CHOSEN ONE";) "Fan-fiction that contradicts the source it's based on can't be taken over the source, it's just the same with Star Wars." And the canon can't be canon if it's not even sure of itself? Face it, KotOR is just as much a part of SW as the OT, if it wasn't, do you really think GL would've let Kotor officialy exist? duh, no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevanA4 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 *rights this day down and frames it* Holy **** rjm actaully made sense *runs to see if the sky is falling* it is well now that I got that out kotor doesn't go against canon so what point are you trying to make sithy it is just an addition on to what we know and love about the star wars universe but revan I still think would pwn anakin choosen one or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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