Faaip De Oaid Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Well Lucas planned for him to die so they had to make him do something stupid enough that would get him killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 This link has a decent look at it. I think Sidious, with his vast abilities, let Mace "gain the advantage", when he had none all along. "In the Revenge of the Sith-video game, Windu has a slightly more alternative death. Instead of cutting off his hand, Anakin blocks Windu's attack on the Chancellor and the player ends up dueling the Jedi Master. In the end, Skywalker stabs Windu and kicks him out the same window from which he fell in the film." Anakin beating Mace??? haha I don't f***ing think so!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Uhhh, pretty sure he is the chosen one... Why does everyone think Mace Windu is some super-natural all-powerful being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Uhhh, pretty sure he is the chosen one... Why does everyone think Mace Windu is some super-natural all-powerful being? Yet he didn't beat Obi-Wan. And I think there's way too much fuss about the "chose one" thingy. Mace isn't a super powerful god, but neither is Anakin. They are both humans. As far as I am concerned, I strongly believe that Mace won. Yes, it was probably easier for Palpy to convert Anakin with the turn of event. But knowing how much he loves power (that's pretty much the only thing he loves), I don't think he would risk loosing everything only to convert Anakin. At that point, the future of the Sith rested solely on his shoulders. He wouldn't risk it. Anakin might have been his most powerful weapon, but it's not his only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 "In the Revenge of the Sith-video game, Windu has a slightly more alternative death. Instead of cutting off his hand, Anakin blocks Windu's attack on the Chancellor and the player ends up dueling the Jedi Master. In the end, Skywalker stabs Windu and kicks him out the same window from which he fell in the film." Anakin beating Mace??? haha I don't f***ing think so!!! Hmm how about Anakin beating Dooku? haha I don't f***ing think so!!! And btw. nobody willingly offers his hands to be cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai DD Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 I choose to believe that Windu won the lightsaber battle, and that Palpatine became aware that Anakin would come only after he was under Mace's blade. C'mon, Windu is impossible to beat in duel, as far as we know, but maybe Sidious could beat him, we don't know about his fighting style as much. But I only choose to believe that, as it is open to debate until George comes out and says this or that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Uhhh, pretty sure he is the chosen one... Why does everyone think Mace Windu is some super-natural all-powerful being? Chosen One or not, he couldn't beat Mace one his best day...Like it was said before, he couldn't beat Obi-Wan in a fair duel, what chance does he have against Mace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 it is open to debate until George comes out and says this or that. Yea, except that it has been said, on SW.com, which is exactly as GL wants it and has all the facts straight from him, that Windu won. There is no debate - its basically people who've read the official explination on SW.com and those who are completely dillusional in their observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 It says somewhere in the databank (couldn't find it anymore; perhaps they edited it) that Windu had only been beaten in a duel by two other Jedi: Yoda and Dooku. Since Anakin did beat Dooku, one can believe that he could also beat Windu. But then, it was a 2v1 on Dooku for some time, so it's not exactly a "fair duel". Same thing with Windu in the video game ("tired" of his duel against Palpy). EDIT: Found it. It's in the expended universe tab for Windu. In his day, Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. It was said only two opponents ever bested him -- Yoda, and Dooku. But then, that's technically from the EU. So it can obviously be considered as a heap of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Chosen One or not, he couldn't beat Mace one his best day...Like it was said before, he couldn't beat Obi-Wan in a fair duel, what chance does he have against Mace? Well, Vader did beat Obi-Wan eventually... That aside, there are rarely fair duels, unless its ... well... a duel. Even that is subject to debate, from mental condition to surprise factor to equipment to ... you got the idea. Usually good guys and bad guys don't stand around the raing and goes "Round One Fight!!!" as they jump apart from each other and start their moves., and Jedi Power Battles does not count. So Technically Mace/Sidious is not a fair fight, nor did Anakin/ObiWan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negative Sun Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Good point...but Anakin is still a wimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well, Vader did beat Obi-Wan eventually... Only because he LET him beat him. And Obi-Wan probably hadn't picked up a lightsaber in years... Vader, however, trained regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pho3nix Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Only because he LET him beat him. And Obi-Wan probably hadn't picked up a lightsaber in years... Vader, however, trained regularly. And not to mention the age difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 And not to mention the age difference. Age matters not! as Yoda would say if he had read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 And not to mention the age difference. Well, Vader can DEFINITELY get "accessability parking space" but the same cannot be said for ObiWan. And, I do think that ObiWan cannot beat Vader even if he tried, or he might actually try to "beat some sense into him" or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terran I Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 My vote for the Emperor, You don't live that long unless you are strong and smart, and by the way Palpy knew that Padme is going to die so if he knew that he could know about the outcome of his battle with Mace, and he could predict that Vader will be there to aid him, and officially become his apprentice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 My vote for the Emperor, You don't live that long unless you are strong and smart, and by the way Palpy knew that Padme is going to die so if he knew that he could know about the outcome of his battle with Mace, and he could predict that Vader will be there to aid him, and officially become his apprentice! Did you read the thread? If you did, you'd know that we've already established that the Emperor DID lose the fight to Mace and what you posted is inaccurate. Please read the thread first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terran I Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I read it the first time, I say what I think, I watch the movie and understand it my way. I don't watch a film and than ask the director or the writers what they wanted to say, if that was not clearly explained than it is their problem not mine. Don't get mad just because I say what I think even if it is wrong. Palpy knew that Jedi are coming to get so he was ready to fight, and I think that he planed everything in that battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I read it the first time, I say what I think, I watch the movie and understand it my way. I don't watch a film and than ask the director or the writers what they wanted to say, if that was not clearly explained than it is their problem not mine. Don't get mad just because I say what I think even if it is wrong. Palpy knew that Jedi are coming to get so he was ready to fight, and I think that he planed everything in that battle. So you're saying that you think that's how the scene SHOULD have been. But it wasn't. I get what you're saying; that's what I thought too when I saw the movie, but George makes the movies, and that's how it is... I wish Han would have shot first... but too bad for me, that's not how it is. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 So you're saying that you think that's how the scene SHOULD have been. But it wasn't. I get what you're saying; that's what I thought too when I saw the movie, but George makes the movies, and that's how it is... I wish Han would have shot first... but too bad for me, that's not how it is. Oh well. Well, at least now Han didn't shoot second... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I think that he planed everything in that battle. Precisely. But don't you think that counting on Anakin to save his butt is a bit risky? Knowing that he does plan everything, do you think he would really rely on such an uncertainty to achieve his goal? He would *never* risk his life, his dreams of power and the future of the sith only to have Anakin on his side. Palpy only cares about himself; Anakin is a mere tool for him to use in order to achieve the power he wants. Palpy planed everything. The goal of this plan is to become Emperor and eradicate the Jedi. Ultimately, it wasn't to turn Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Then why did he use the force to give birth to Anakin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Then why did he use the force to give birth to Anakin?He didn't <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Scott! Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 The ROTS novel says he did... doesn't it? Oh, and if you're replying to the person right above you, there's no reason to quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoiuyWired Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Precisely. But don't you think that counting on Anakin to save his butt is a bit risky? Knowing that he does plan everything, do you think he would really rely on such an uncertainty to achieve his goal? He would *never* risk his life, his dreams of power and the future of the sith only to have Anakin on his side. Palpy only cares about himself; Anakin is a mere tool for him to use in order to achieve the power he wants. Palpy planed everything. The goal of this plan is to become Emperor and eradicate the Jedi. Ultimately, it wasn't to turn Anakin. Well, for one, Palpy always THINKS he had control of everything, and it wouldn't be a surprice that sometimes things did slip out of his control. I am pretty sure he did not plan for Vader to give him a free trip down the DeathStar core. So underestimating Mace won't be improbable. ALSO, where did ROTS novel say that Anakin is Palpy's "son" ?? If there is any indication of that, I would really love to see a quote or two for the line in the novel. :3 Well I suppose Palpy's master may have such ability (still waiting for novel) and the more infinite SWT mention a resurrected Maul. But mind you that is definitely an infinite episode, w/o the time tag of a canon label, unlike the last few SWTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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