U.S. --2007 Military Draft--

[TK-8252]

This I do take issue with. Sometimes the price of freedom is having to fight for it.

 

Would you say that same thing to the Palestinians? Hmm...

 

Nah, let's not go there.

[Point Man]

Gladly, although the main subject of debate here is whether drafts are acceptable or not.

Oh, I'm sorry. I must have misread the original post.

U.S. --2007 Military Draft--

I just got word that there may be a military draft. Does anyone else have more intel?

[Emperor Devon]

Oh, I'm sorry. I must have misread the original post.

 

That's the original topic, though it looks to have evolved since then.

 

(I'm surprised you've not done anything about me debating your wife's views so srongly. )

[Mace MacLeod]

Would you say that same thing to the Palestinians? Hmm...

 

Nah, let's not go there.

Well, I'm not opening the can of worms that would come from trying to defend some of the Israeli military's actions, just that being surrounded on all sides by enemies who deny Israel's right to even exist and having a limited population base to work with, conscription and mandatory military service are necessary negatives.

[Samnmax221]

As for smoking bans in public places... your right to wave your arm around ends at the tip of my nose. You can do what you like as long as it doesn't affect me adversely. Passive smoking affects people so smoking bans are the only moral solution.

I'm more bothered by the fact that I cannot open up a restaurant that allows smoking within itself. If it's my property it's my right to allow smoking inside. There is also some debate whether or not passive smoking really affects other people (Asthmatics aside)

Hitler also had a dog. I say we ban all canines.

Conscription was one of the many evils of Nazi Germany.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Take it to the "Why Socialism is Evil and All Bums Are Lazy" thread.

Considering you live in a non-voting member of the EU, I wouldn't be talking. You are subject to all the regulations of the EU without any representation, not a fair trade if you ask me. TO finish off I'll make myself clear, I don't give a damn about people who refuse to crawl out of the gutter.

Uh, if you're willingly joining the Air Guard to pay for your college tuition, you're also volunteering to serve your country. That's the whole reason why they're willing to pay for your schooling, remember? If their money's good enough for you, so are their service requirements. Especially as you turn around and say things like this:

Theres a big difference there, I volunteered, nobody is telling me I have to. As for using the GI benefits, it's not a hand out. I put myself in possible harm and give up my 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year, and possible deployment to who knows where.

But everyone else's taxes can pay for your education though, right? Health care and social security are funded from the same source as the military: everyone's taxes. You decry having to pay anything to fund those "incompetent" people who can't make their own way, but you're quite happy to suck at the same public purse when it suits you. Why would you need to do that if you're such a "successful" guy? Just a teensy bit hypocritical.

I'd also like to privatize the Schools. I've had far too many lazy ass Teachers who were being paid too much, and too many good Teachers that weren't being paid enough. Considering I still have to pay for the Schools I might as well attend them, at least I've paid, there are many attending Public Schools whose parents have never paid taxes and never plan on it.

@Samnmax: The last draft was during the Nixon administration, almost 10 years before Reagan.

For some reason I was thinking that it was during Reagan's administration.

[Mace MacLeod]

^^Sam, I think I may have misread or misinterpreted your post that I quoted. Please clarify: If called for military service in Iraq or anywhere else after having joined the reserves, would you willingly go to fight?

[Samnmax221]

^^Sam, I think I may have misread or misinterpreted your post that I quoted. Please clarify: If called for military service in Iraq or anywhere else after having joined the reserves, would you willingly go to fight?

I made a commitment, so yes. The difference is they have my consent, they didn't make a fallacious claim against me.

[Spider AL]

I'm more bothered by the fact that I cannot open up a restaurant that allows smoking within itself. If it's my property it's my right to allow smoking inside. There is also some debate whether or not passive smoking really affects other people (Asthmatics aside)

See, I see nothing wrong with the idea of having a private restaurant that allows smoking, nor a smoking club that happens to also serve food. If the legislation blocks these rarified establishments, perhaps it should be reviewed.

 

As for the idea that there's a debate on the subject of whether passive smoking has adverse effects on people in general... yes there is technically a debate, but only insofar as there will ALWAYS be a debate on this issue, just as there will always be a "debate" on the issue of global warming and evolution, no matter how much evidence one presents. Suffice it to say that the broad consensus is leaning towards "Yes, passive smoking is dangerous".

 

I made a commitment, so yes. The difference is they have my consent, they didn't make a fallacious claim against me.

I posted my reasons for disagreeing with conscription above... I'm curious to hear (read) a more detailed explanation of your reasoning for disagreeing with it, as my reasons tend to revolve around the basic principle that our governments simply cannot be trusted to use the troops morally. If the troops were always used for good, I'd be in favour of conscription, I'm sure.

 

So how about you?

[Mace MacLeod]

I made a commitment, so yes.

Okay, my bad. I misinterpreted your remarks as being that you would be unwilling to participate in active service after having been educated on the military's tab. I must have been drunk...oh well, I usually am anyway. My apologies.

[Jae Onasi]

Okay, my bad. I misinterpreted your remarks as being that you would be unwilling to participate in active service after having been educated on the military's tab.

 

If you don't fulfill your commitment after they pay for your school, they make you pay the entire thing back. That's on top of the dishonorable discharge and probably jail time at Chez Leavenworth.