Requesting Help[UK residences only]

[Hayden Kered]

This is for any one who lives in Lincolnshire, England or near by.

 

I have recently been doing some genealogy and have gone as far as I can go. My earliest known ancestor was Amaury Raoul D'Albetot born 1066 AD in Lincolnshire, England. Does any body know of some one, an organization, church, courts, etc, that would be able to help me go farther back? A mailing address or e-mail is all I would need.

 

Some one had told me that if I could contact a church, that they would possibley have old records that dated back around that time.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

[HerbieZ]

I think it's best that you contact your closest church or something. It helps if you know where mr D'Albetot lived, if he still lived in Lincolnshire then only you can find him, if he lived in Manchester then il have a gander. My dad has been digging into geneology and has gone as far back as the 1820's. We found out that someone in our family line was the youngest soldier in the Boer war. Some fascinating stuff

[Hayden Kered]

Well I live in the USA, and since Amaury lived in Lincolnshire any other records will more than likely be in that region

[Negative Sun]

Check your local book shop cause they might have plenty of books on genealogy that might be able to help you out...Try getting some online maybe if you're really desperate to find out, or try the internet...

[Jae Onasi]

While this is a US site, the Mormon library has some of the best resources in the world on geneaology--you may actually find something there, though since you've gone that far back it's less likely. If not, you might upload your tree to their site. People would love to have the information.

[Hayden Kered]

While this is a US site, the Mormon library has some of the best resources in the world on geneaology--you may actually find something there, though since you've gone that far back it's less likely. If not, you might upload your tree to their site. People would love to have the information.

Iv'e already checked that site out. I don't trust it because I looked up some other ancestors of mine and they had the same person with 5 different birthdates.

[Darth InSidious]

Try the College of Arms, Queen Victoria Street, London, England.

 

At least to confirm your findings.

 

If you do commission them, they aren't cheap, but they are quite possibly the most useful source, I can suggest. They have extensive experience and archives.

 

They should also be able to tell you how reliable the evidence is and whether or not it is reasonable to assume that you are indeed related to Amaury...

 

It may be, though, that that's as far as you can reliably trace your family. I can only trace mine reliably to late 12th century, myself...

[Diego Varen]

I'm from England so I guess that counts. The Internet should help and perhaps your nearest Library. Also is D'Albetot what inspired your Username?

[MachineCult]

If only you had asked a few weeks ago, venom_tyrant/TheSuperRodian lived in Lincoln but he has very recently joined the royal navy.

One thing I have noticed, however that you and your ancestors name is D'Albetot, and seeing as 1066 was the time of the norman invasion then going back further than that would probably take you into France and not Britain.

[Negative Sun]

Very Good point there MC

[Hayden Kered]

@Darth Insidious - Not a bad idea.

 

Also is D'Albetot what inspired your Username?

Yeap! I wanted my name changed to some thing that had more of a meaning to me rather than Lord Darth Bane. Plus it's shorter. And to those who didn't know I was once known here as Lord Darth Bane but decided to change it.

 

One thing I have noticed, however that you and your ancestors name is D'Albetot, and seeing as 1066 was the time of the norman invasion then going back further than that would probably take you into France and not Britain.

Good Point.

[Diego Varen]

Yeap! I wanted my name changed to some thing that had more of a meaning to me

 

I suppose that is why my Username is Pottsie. I'm guessing that D'Albetot is in honour of your surname, like Pottsie is in honour of my surname, Potts.

[Mace MacLeod]

I suppose that is why my Username is Pottsie. I'm guessing that D'Albetot is in honour of your surname, like Pottsie is in honour of my surname, Potts.

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!! Hee hee hee...heh, okay, sorry dude. I always figured you were a big Happy Days fan.

 

The English are named after what they do, right?

[Hayden Kered]

I suppose that is why my Username is Pottsie. I'm guessing that D'Albetot is in honour of your surname, like Pottsie is in honour of my surname, Potts.

Actually it is not my surname, but I am using it in honour of my ancestor. As far as I am aware, Amaury Roul D'Albetot, his wife, and son were the only ones to have used it. It ended with Amaury's son.

 

BWA-HA-HA-HA!!! Hee hee hee...heh, okay, sorry dude. I always figured you were a big Happy Days fan.

That's what I had thought.

[Jae Onasi]

Iv'e already checked that site out. I don't trust it because I looked up some other ancestors of mine and they had the same person with 5 different birthdates.

 

That's because it can be listed differently depending on the source. If the source is, say, an obituary, someone might have printed it incorrectly. The headstones themselves are usually the most accurate for dates of death.

 

One of my Swedish ancestors who came over to the US has 2 birth years--the immigration documents apparently said one thing and the headstone said something else. Since he was born in Sweden and we don't know if documents go back to someplace there, but I don't speak/read Swedish anyway, so I couldn't research there anyway. Sometimes misprints happen, sometimes the guys at Ellis island wrote things down incorrectly, and sometimes people just plain forgot and didn't have access to birth documents anymore.

[Hayden Kered]

True! And since I'm trying to go before 1066, then finding documents or headstones is going to be difficult.

[Darth InSidious]

Actually it is not my surname, but I am using it in honour of my ancestor. As far as I am aware, Amaury Roul D'Albetot, his wife, and son were the only ones to have used it. It ended with Amaury's son.

 

 

That's what I had thought.

Um, if I may ask, if they have a different surname, how are you sure you are related?

[Hayden Kered]

My surname is Spencer, which first was used as Despencer. Amuary's son was Robert D'Arbetot Despencer. The name was then later used as Le Despencer. It was also some times spelled as Despenser. Later the "Le" was droped and Despencer was used again. I am not sure when but some time the "De" was finaly droped, I think it might have been the 16th Century, I'll have to look it up again. But Spencer was then used ever since then up to this day.

 

Remember at the beginning of the use of surnames, they were used as titles. The name Spencer or DeSpencer comes from the Latin dispensarius, or 'le dispencer' in Norman French, according to historians. The term 'spence' also means a kitchen. However the intended meaning of Spencer was 'Steward' or Stewart', one who is entrusted with the management of property and finances, and that surname also derives from the same source.

[Darth InSidious]

I know, but I just wanted to make sure

 

Many people do make assumptions based on questionable information at times. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't setting yourself up for disappointment

 

Interesting changes, though

 

Just a quick note on genealogical things generally: Coats of arms belong to families, not names. If you aren't of the right type of Smith, you can't use the coat of arms of the Smiths of Ewelme, c. 1563

[Hayden Kered]

Yes I know that too. Here is mine:

 

Pretty cool, huh?

[Darth InSidious]

Interesting...Do you know when it was created?

 

It's an interesting design. I'm pretty sure having a bend like that is fairly unusual.

[Jae Onasi]

Interesting...Do you know when it was created?

 

It's an interesting design. I'm pretty sure having a bend like that is fairly unusual.

 

I'm betting it's a later creation (later meaning 'probably not as early as medieval', but likely after the Renaissance). It's too busy visually to have been used on an actual battlefield in the Middle Ages.

[Hayden Kered]

I'm not sure when it was created. There are many versions of it.

 

This one from what I understand is a 1611 design

 

I'm still trying to find it's true origins and the year that it was created.

 

EDIT:

This one is The Arms of Diana, Princess of Wales

 

Yes! She is my 16th cousin. My dad found a link between our two families. Diana's maiden Name was Spencer.

[Darth InSidious]

I'm betting it's a later creation (later meaning 'probably not as early as medieval', but likely after the Renaissance). It's too busy visually to have been used on an actual battlefield in the Middle Ages.

 

Agreed, although the third creation of the Earl of Winchester was in 1472 and renounced in 1500, by the second Earl of that 3rd creation...Uness it's a mistake and should say Marquess of Winchester...In which case it could date to 1551...

 

The other one would appear to be correct, with allowances for the additions correct for a member of the Royal Family...

 

...Then again, I'm only an amateur at this sort of thing. Again, the College of Arms are the people to talk to about this

[Jae Onasi]

Oh, I just meant that particular version of the coat of arms, DI, not the creation of the title. All the heraldry I know is limited to a. what I learned in Medieval history and b. what I learned about heraldry in a history re-enactment group (which actually does research things in Fox-Davies and Burke, among a number of other sources). While I know the difference between gules and argent and my dexter from my sinister, I'm not an expert and don't even play one on TV.

 

You might appreciate the humor in this blazon that a friend of mine had done for a badge: Sable semy of hangman's nooses argent

 

Oh, I found a link for the Society of Genealogists (linked from the College of Arms site). That might have some useful information for you, D'Albetot.